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Tuesday, June 07, 2005

Mets - Signed Graves

New York Mets - Signed P Danny Graves for no particular reason.

Graves’ arm looks pretty shot - even when he’s been on (or as close to on as he realistically ever was), his stuff looks like I could hit it.  Pete Gray would’ve hung around longer if he had been able to face the Saigon Cannonball.

If Peterson is able to do something with Graves, I promise never to criticize him again, even if he murders Jae Seo and does unmentionable things to the corpse.  No, Graves won’t be doing any starting but Mr. ZiPS still think he’ll start a little because he never had to see Graves.  If Randolph gets any ideas about starting Graves, he should skip the middle step and go straight to the autoerotic asphyxiation.

2005 ZiPS Projection - Danny Graves
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Period     W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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Actual ‘05   1   1 20   0   18   30   15   4 12   8 7.36
Rest ‘05   3   3 33   6   66   75   37   9 21 28 5.05
—————————————————————————————-
Total ‘05   4   4 53   6   84 105   52 13 33 36 5.55

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: June 07, 2005 at 07:34 PM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 07, 2005 at 07:54 PM (#1387977)
Geeze, Dan.

Did Graves spit in your milk this morning?

I look at it this way: can he be any worse than Grey Poupon or Admiral Aybar (It's A Trap!)?
   2. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 07, 2005 at 07:56 PM (#1387984)
If that ZiPS is accurate, then that's worse than DeJean and particularly the Admiral, and likely to be worse than Juan Padilla, David Lee, and other random Norfolk hangers on, none of whom will cost $500K to get rid of next year.
   3. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:00 PM (#1387999)
I thought the Marlins were after him to replace Mota. (This is not a joke)
   4. Rob Base Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:03 PM (#1388009)
I thought the Marlins were after him to replace Mota. (This is not a joke)

But since that makes no sense, it didn't happen.
   5. zonk Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:09 PM (#1388024)
THAT is a funny intro....
   6. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:14 PM (#1388036)
C'mon -- the Mets had to have a reason for signing Graves.

Maybe they had money to burn and didn't know my address.
   7. NTNgod Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:15 PM (#1388042)
I thought the Marlins were after him to replace Mota

Marlins had a trade worked out w/ Cin (with the Reds eating the $$$), but that fell through when it was realized that Graves had a clause in his contract that included a bump in salary if traded.
   8. Шĥy Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:17 PM (#1388046)
If Randolph gets any ideas about starting Graves

The problem here is Randolph is slightly retarded. Or he is on LSD. Either way, with Randolph, I have learned to expect the worst.
   9. Шĥy Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:20 PM (#1388056)
So far Omar has made only one good aquisition. Why does everyone love him so much?
   10. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:23 PM (#1388070)
Why = ska?
   11. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:33 PM (#1388103)
Any word on the terms? I heard that Graves chose against the Braves because they wouldn't include and option/buyout for next season. That would seem to imply that the Mets did so. Personally, I would have been OK with the Braves signing Graves for the rest of the season, but if he insisted on the option, I'm more than happy they didn't give in.
   12. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1388108)
Someone on the other thread said there was a $5 mil team option with a $500K buyout.
   13. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1388109)
Terms are reportedly prorated minimum for this year; $5 million team option / $500K buyout for next year.
   14. Шĥy Posted: June 07, 2005 at 08:51 PM (#1388150)
Why = ska?

Who/what is ska?
   15. Spahn Insane Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:02 PM (#1388179)
A *$5M* option? I'll eat my hat if that gets picked up.

Then again, this is the Mets we're talking about.
   16. Sam M. Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:10 PM (#1388194)
A *$5M* option? I'll eat my hat if that gets picked up.

If that gets picked up, the Mets will have won the National League East. Because it will mean that Danny Graves somehow became a cross between Mariano Rivera and Billy Wagner. Otherwise, it's a lock they'll be paying $500K for Mr. Graves to move along.
   17. Rob Base Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:25 PM (#1388233)
Why = ska?

I have also wondered that aloud. Similar annoying negativity, tone.
   18. Larry Bowa Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:29 PM (#1388243)
I really missed out on the crazy-money days.

[drinks]
   19. Dr Love Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:34 PM (#1388254)
So far Omar has made only one good aquisition. Why does everyone love him so much?

Hey man, he brought in Pedro and Beltran when no one else was willing to pay as much as he did. Don't diss!
   20. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:34 PM (#1388255)
Actually, I saw ska post somewhere in the past couple of weeks. And ska wasn't just negative on the Mets, he insulted anybody who was stupid enough to root for them. Why's just been picking on Omar and Willie.
   21. Rob Base Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:40 PM (#1388267)
Actually, I saw ska post somewhere in the past couple of weeks. And ska wasn't just negative on the Mets, he insulted anybody who was stupid enough to root for them. Why's just been picking on Omar and Willie.

Ska was also afraid that if he was tolerant of Sam M, then Ska might accidentally have sex with a man.
   22. Repoz Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:42 PM (#1388273)
Why are the Mets now denying this deal?
   23. CrosbyBird Posted: June 07, 2005 at 09:49 PM (#1388287)
The guy is making prorated league minimum in 2005, and there's a 500k buyout for next year's insane $5M option. Who cares? The option could be $176M with a 500k buyout... .it's not being picked up. Consider this a 500k+prorated league minimum for a guy who is only 31 and has had a few decent years in his career. He can't be much worse than Matthews/DeJean/Aybar, and if he is, he cost very little. If the friendly confines of Shea and "10 Minutes" Peterson actually convert him even into a league average reliever, it's a bargain of a contract. And you just know Graves is the kind of guy that usually ends up in the hands of Leo Mazzone and has a career year just when they need it (like they desperately do now with Kolb doing his best Mel Rojas impersonation).

I think Graves is finished. But for what amounts to chump change, why not give it a shot?
   24. JoeHova Posted: June 07, 2005 at 10:03 PM (#1388316)
Why does everyone care so much about this? If he sucks, they'll just cut him and all they'll be out is a relative pittance. I think it's worth the chance, Graves used to be servicable and several guys who stunk for one team have done well for others down the stretch the last couple years (Williamson, Fox, Helling, Leskanic, etc.). I don't see the risk and there is a possible reward (though the chance may be small).
   25. 44magnum Posted: June 07, 2005 at 10:23 PM (#1388345)
As long as the Mets start out using him as either a mop up man or send him to the minors for awhile, they aren't risking a thing.
   26. Old Matt Posted: June 07, 2005 at 10:31 PM (#1388358)
Why are the Mets now denying this deal?

Because they don't want to make a roster move yet; Graves won't join them for a few days.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: June 08, 2005 at 12:57 AM (#1388785)
Why are the Mets now denying this deal?

Wouldn't you?
   28. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 08, 2005 at 01:17 AM (#1388894)
I'd bet all the money I had that Graves puts up an era greater than 5.05 over the rest of the year. This guy is the worst pitcher in the majors and will have an era of at least 6 and even that would be optimistic.
   29. J. Cross Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:01 AM (#1389356)
From 98 to 02 he was solid but not spectacular. In the 2+ years since then, he's been terrible. I don't think that's a good track record. The bright spots are that he's done better away from the GAB (where he has a 4.95 ERA and a ridiculous HR rate) and better in relief. Still, I think there must be better longshot out there than this guy.
   30. Sam M. Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:17 AM (#1389360)
The bright spots are that he's done better away from the GAB (where he has a 4.95 ERA and a ridiculous HR rate) and better in relief.

I wonder if there's a chance for a pseudo-Coors effect here. Get Graves out of the Chamber of Horrors that is the GAB for a fly ball pitcher, let him find himself again in a place where fly balls don't always go over the fence. Maybe he can pitch with more confidence, not feel he needs to be so fine and perfect with every pitch, and re-establish himself as at least an OK pitcher. It'd be interesting to know if the Mets have done a HR-by-HR examination of the dingers he's surrendered, and analyzed whether they'd have gone out at Shea.

It's a longshot, but it's not exactly like they're paying a huge price to find out.
   31. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:20 AM (#1389362)
Sam,

Graves is GROUNDBALL pitcher. Or, well, he used to be when he could get his fastball over 86 mph. Now he's more of a line-drive-in-the-gap kind of pitcher.
   32. Sam M. Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:26 AM (#1389370)
Graves is GROUNDBALL pitcher. Or, well, he used to be when he could get his fastball over 86 mph.

Well, he's certainly not a groundball pitcher now. I hold out no hope at all that he can get back to doing that again (there's only so many pitchers the Mets can try to get throwing from a 3/4 arm angle). The only hope -- and it's a thin one -- is that if he's going to be a fly ball pitcher, it's better to be one at Shea than at GAB, and if he's going to have shots hit to the OF, it's better to do so with the Mets' OF defense than the Reds.
   33. J. Cross Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:28 AM (#1389373)
In '03 batters slugged .529 against him and in '04 they slugged .484 against him. So far this year they're slugging .607 against him.

Maybe the Mets got him to throw BP and improve their hitters' confidence.
   34. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:40 AM (#1389380)
Thats the thing, Sam, he can't be a flyball pitcher. If he doesn't keep the ball on the ground, he's ######.
   35. Sam M. Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:41 AM (#1389381)
If he doesn't keep the ball on the ground, he's ####.

Well, hell, guys, if you're going to keep beating me down for my completely unfounded, desperate attempt to find some reason to think this has an even 1% chance of paying a dividend, I'm just going to take my ball and go home.
   36. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:50 AM (#1389385)
You're always so optimistic Sam...at least one of us is.
   37. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 08, 2005 at 04:51 AM (#1389386)
And by "us" I mean "Mets fans".
   38. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: June 08, 2005 at 10:36 AM (#1389470)
Not much love for Graves here, huh?
C'mon guys, give the ##### #### half-#### #####-###### a chance...
   39. Pinetarfly Posted: June 09, 2005 at 07:46 PM (#1393287)
Go ahead and be optimistic Mets fans, it's worked out so well for us in Cincinnasti. Good luck with The GASCAN.
   40. sydhe Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:04 AM (#1394288)
The problem is that the Mets are close to the top of the division and the players are suffering from the stress that comes from a 5-team divisional race. A dozen or so relief appearances from Graves should remove the source of stress.

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