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Thursday, March 11, 2004

Milwaukee Brewers

Signed IF Keith Ginter to a 3-year, $1.925 million contract.

Good deal on a talent basis as Ginter is a solid B+ second baseman despite practically no media attention.  The problem for the Brewers is with Spivey and Weeks, Ginter’s either going to have to respond well to being a supertility player a la Tony Phillips or sit around and wait for a trade to somewhere he can play.

Dan Szymborski Posted: March 11, 2004 at 01:22 PM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: July 31, 2001 at 07:25 PM (#551626)
My tennis coach from college was named Neugebauer. I have to think there's some relation here, because the implications of two seperate sets of Neugebaurs running around the country are too much for my poor cat brain to handle.
   2. NTNgod Posted: January 17, 2002 at 02:16 AM (#552766)
The article on MLB.com that was up earlier this afternoon before the signing talked about how the Brewers wanted him because 'he didn't strike out'. It *briefly* touched on how he had a career-low .333 OBP last season.

Another guy for the Brewers who can't get on base. Great.

But hey - he doesn't strike out though! That's the key to fixing this offense!

As a Brewer fan, I'm going to be ill. (Although some would say as a Brewer fan, I'm ill to begin with...)
   3. NTNgod Posted: January 17, 2002 at 02:52 AM (#552769)
No, Ron, you've been working out at third and short in the winter leagues.
   4. Ben Posted: January 17, 2002 at 05:57 AM (#552773)
Do the Brewers owe compensation for this "signing."
   5. NTNgod Posted: January 17, 2002 at 05:59 AM (#552774)
I don't believe the Cubs offered Young arbitration, so, no they don't.
   6. NTNgod Posted: January 17, 2002 at 08:13 AM (#552776)
Well, at least the deal is:
   7. Big Ed Posted: January 17, 2002 at 03:18 PM (#552777)
It was his worst year, maybe it's the anomaly. His OBP was reasonably good before that, and the money is not too much. Did they need a second baseman--I can't remember who they had there last year.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2002 at 05:31 PM (#552778)
Last year, the Brewers played Ron Belliard when he was healthy, and some combination of Mark Loretta, Luis Lopez, and Elvis Pena when he wasn't. If I were the Brewers, I would have been happy to enter spring training with Scutaro as the second baseman and Loretta as Plan B if Scutaro didn't seem ready or hurt himself.

Just for some additional context on this move, the Pirates hauled in Quilvio Veras and John Valentin (yeah, the perpetually-injured 3B) for workouts last week as candidates to fill the team's hole at second, but didn't give Young a call. Young has been pretty good for his whole career, but he's at the age where a decline would not be unexpected, so the year isn't as obvious an outlier as it might seem. If I ran the zoo, I'd rather have Veras, and I'd especially rather have Veras as an NRI than Young at 2 mil a year.
   9. Brian Posted: January 26, 2002 at 01:16 AM (#553227)
I'd just like to know where John Schurholz was while this signing happened. Right now the Braves have a lineup of six right-handers and two switch-hitters, and no real first baseman. So, is there any reason for him not to go after a lefty-hitting first baseman?
   10. NTNgod Posted: January 26, 2002 at 01:29 AM (#553228)
Tim D said: Is their system so awful that they can't come up with someone to invest 250 AB's in instead of 33 y.o. Matt Stairs?

Sadly, the answer is - yes, the upper levels of the Brewer system ARE that awful. The Indianapolis outfield was patrolled last season by the likes of Micah Franklin, Chris Jones, the now-departed Mark Sweeney, and Alex Sanchez.

Pick your poison, I guess.
   11. NTNgod Posted: January 26, 2002 at 01:33 AM (#553229)
I should add, as the Lone Brewer Fan On BaseballPrimer (or so it seems), that for $500,000, you really can't fault Dean Taylor for this one.

It provides some depth for the inevitable injury-caused shakeup in the outfield. Also, as I mentioned, Stairs certainly isn't blocking a promising prospect...
   12. Christopher Posted: January 26, 2002 at 02:01 AM (#553231)
Too bad they dealt Burnitz away, this could have been one the greatest softball lineups ever. Maybe they'll play Stairs in left and shift Jenkins to Left-Center.
   13. Repoz Posted: January 26, 2002 at 02:51 AM (#553234)
The addition of Stairs is just another water treading maneuver to make it look like management is trying(yikes!)to help(double yikes!) the team until the Jolt Cola effects of Krynzel and Guerrero hopefully enjoin this moribund squad.
   14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 26, 2002 at 02:30 PM (#553237)
For 500k, Stairs doesn't need to be anything more than a good backup/pinch hitter for the Brewers to come out ahead on this one, and I think he's eminently capable of filling that role. I've always liked Stairs, for the same reason I like Rich Garces and liked John Kruk. It's fun watching someone with an apparently non-athletic build do things that I could never do.

Looking at the multipositional list for the Brewers earlier, I noticed that they could possibly pull off the rare triple switch in a game, and not have anyone out of position (fielding "well" is another issue entirely). Start with Young in center, Belliard at second, and Hernandez at third, and rotate clockwise. Maybe if they did it before every pitch, whole opposing teams would die of boredom. The Brewers could use the threat of it to keep the game moving at a reasonable pace, like mutual assured destruction.

"I know what you're thinking, punk. You're thinking, does he play with six utility men or only five? Well to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But being as this is the Milwaukee Brewers, the most god-awful baseball team in the world and will bore your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: do I feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?"
   15. Voros McCracken Posted: January 26, 2002 at 10:24 PM (#553238)
I think the worst part about this maneuver for the Brewers isn't so much the acquisition of Stairs, but rather the fact Stairs might be the second best hitter on the team now behind Jenkins (and maybe not all that far behind him either).

Actually in terms of a talent flip, trading D'Amico the expensive Burnitz, and getting back Rusch and Ochoa and then signing a player close to the equivalent of Burnitz on the cheap is a pretty nice move.

Of course, as has been mentioned, they need to be concerning themselves with players other than those in their mid 30s (Young, Stairs), but hey, compared to the initial flurry of Taylor moves, this could have been worse.
   16. Benji Posted: January 27, 2002 at 01:28 AM (#553240)
This is the ultimate Brewer signing. Bud's daughter knows as much about talent as he does.
   17. NTNgod Posted: January 27, 2002 at 09:49 PM (#553241)
The early rumblings are that Stairs and Ochoa are going to platoon in right.
   18. Repoz Posted: February 09, 2002 at 04:20 AM (#554160)
I guess Izzy Alcantara will be sent down to see if can improve on his career .999 OPS (221 games,831 AB's)in AAA.
   19. Repoz Posted: February 09, 2002 at 06:49 PM (#554164)
Thanks Casey
   20. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 10, 2002 at 04:04 AM (#554166)
The A's still have a backlog of guys like Alcantara to unclog and if you can predict what O'Dowd will do, you should be winning big bucks playing Chemin de Fer or betting on the ponies instead of posting to this forum.
   21. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: February 10, 2002 at 07:57 PM (#554168)
SWEEP THE LEG, IZZY!
   22. Greg Franklin Posted: February 12, 2002 at 02:56 AM (#554173)
2 other things for the Gammons watchers:

* He utters the 4-word clarion call of the "Free Durazo" wing of hardcore SDCNs. Do we want him in our cell?

* When he calls Shannon McNally a "definite bad girl", does he mean it in the Donna Summer sense? If so, is this yet another pro-Boston reference?
   23. Repoz Posted: February 12, 2002 at 03:04 AM (#554174)
Eric Byrnes, with 12 career hits at the age of 25, would have to average 283 hits per season for the next 15 years to catch Rose's 4,256 hits.
   24. Voros McCracken Posted: February 13, 2002 at 01:23 AM (#554175)
NTNgod worte,

"He'll be needed to platoon with Stairs, becuase Ochoa will be forced to center when Hammonds goes on the DL."

You mean he's not on the DL yet?
   25. Repoz Posted: March 24, 2002 at 07:18 AM (#555565)
Red GM Leo Toolstoy has actually let one of his prize 5 tool players go....Whats next..Start to give out ML contracts_with_bonuses or deployment of some scouts to Latin America?
   26. NTNgod Posted: March 24, 2002 at 08:08 AM (#555567)
OK, so that didn't EXACTLY fit in with your prior point, but I feel it's a valid criticism of Bowden anyway :)
   27. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 06, 2002 at 12:18 AM (#555779)
I noticed Scutaro was designated for assignment, but I'm waiting to see if they trade him, they lose him on waivers, or he gets outrighted off the 40-man.
   28. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: April 19, 2002 at 02:15 PM (#555959)
Bud is kidding himself if he thinks hiring Robin Yount or Paul Molitor will help put people in the seats. Do fans pay good money to watch former stars sit in the dugout and exchange lineup cards? If they do then fans are pretty lame. Bud is the biggest shyster of them all. He runs around teling al the other teams what to do but his own is a freaking mess.
   29. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 19, 2002 at 03:16 PM (#555961)
TM,

That was a truly wonderful depiction of Don Baylor's shortcomings, which I believe cost the Cubs about 4 games last season.

Brett,

"The Brewers aren't devious enough to pull the minimal payroll/guaranteed profit trick; instead, they seem to spend money -- not much money, but some -- on superfluities like Eric Young and Jeffrey Hammonds."

This has long been a Milwaukee strategy, from say 1991-present. I just flipped over to Baseball-reference.com and gleaned the following tidbits.

1991 I remember that the signing of Franklin Stubbs was the "answer" for the Brewers the paid him $1.87 mil. in '91 and $2.26 mil. in '92 for an OPS of .495/.665.

1992,1993, and 1994 featured the gigantic contract bust that was Teddy Higuera. Teddy made $10.25 million over those three seasons while throwing 125 innings.

In 1993, Kevin Reimer was touted as the "answer." He had a .697 OPS that year, and the Brewers went 75-87.

In 1996 the Brewers signed Ben McDonald as the answer to their pitching problems. He made $2.2 million that season. He pitched well in '96 providing the Brewers with 221 innings pitched. His luck ran out in 1997 when he made $5.0 million (highest on the team), and pitched on 133 innings.

In 1998 Marquis Grissom joined the fold and was supposed to ignite Phil Garner's gritty offense. Grissom became the highest paid player on the team, making $5 million. Well Marquis stunk, and his .304 OBP failed to ignite much of anything in the leadoff spot.

In 1999 Grissom made another $5 million, and improved his OBP to .320. It didn't matter much to the Brewers who went 74-87.

Then in 2000 they signed Jamie Navaro, who made $5 million dollars to throw 18.7 innings and a 12.54 ERA (losing 5 times). Grissom again made $5 million and went promptly into Operation Shutdown, posting a horrific, .288 OBP and a .351 SLG.

The 2001 Brewers brought in Devon White to play center field. Devo made a $5 million salary and hit .343/.459 for an OPS of .802. Not too bad, but White only played one season. Were they thinking that they were just a veteran away from winning it all? They also anted up $6.5 million for Jeffrey Hammonds who got hurt (go figure), and played poorly in 49 games.

The more I look at this franchise the more it reminds me of Kansas City.
   30. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 19, 2002 at 08:34 PM (#555965)
Brett:

I got to thinking about the histories of the Royals and the Brewers and did a bit of analysis. In only a three year period did KC signifantly outplay Milwaukee. I'm not saying that KC was *not* a model franchise, because I whole-heartedly agree they were, and were definitely seen as an elite organization for a long time. I took the won loss records for Kansas City and Milwaukee going back to their beginnings in 1969. I have broken it down to three eras, beginning with the rise of the Royals in 1975, from 1975-77 they played at a .581 clip to Milwakee's dismal .414. It should be noted that KC won their division in '76 and '77.

The next era begins with the rise of Milwaukee in 1978, between 1978 and 1982. Between the two teams they won their divisons 7 times. Although KC won their division 5 times to Milwaukee's 2, Milwaukee actually had a better record in 4 of those seasons. Milwaukee's .574 was just a bit better than KC's .548.

Finally, I defined the final era from 1983 to the last time either team was relevant, which was 1992. In that span, they played to nearly identical winning percentages. KC's .506 narrowly edged Milwaukee's .501. It should be noted here, that KC did go to the World Series in 1985 and that should not be disregarded.

Any comments on any of that?
   31. Greg Franklin Posted: April 19, 2002 at 11:12 PM (#555967)
If you ask Bill James, Schuerholz deserves almost no credit. According to him, the powerhouse Royals of the 1970s were built in-house via the farm system and astute minor-league trades, courtesy of their first GM, Cedric Tallis, and his 1970s successor, Joe Burke.

Schuerholz took charge in the early 1980s ... his moves defined the standard for the let's-get-some-proven-veteran-free-agents type of GM we lampoon today. He won one divisional title in 1984 and one championship in 1985, but that's it.

All three men have won Exec of the year awards for their work in KC:

http://baseball-almanac.com/awards/aw_sney.shtml

And here's the exact James passage from a Ron Johnson post to Usenet.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1bo7ODUykgb8bRz0Aol8ISkqy5Af@4ax.com
   32. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: April 20, 2002 at 09:15 PM (#555970)
There was some discussion in the Dave Stewart thread earlier this week about how all the "minority" managers seemed to be ex-star players. If Royster actually keeps his job, wouldn't he buck that trend?

I mean, I remember his playing days well, but that's because I was in Atlanta while he was playing second base for the Braves in the late 70s and early 80s.
   33. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: April 22, 2002 at 01:39 PM (#555973)
NTNgod, I am incredibly impressed that your Brewers broadcasters were able to correctly identify a "high-leverage" situation. Looks like you might have a good manager to go with them (I always loved Royster as a player for some reason too).

I am, though, hoping to see your Brewers get stomped and swept this week...
   34. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 19, 2002 at 09:25 AM (#557223)
Well, we KNOW the Brewers won't do much, either, so I guess it's fitting. Kung Fu Alcantara's down there too.
   35. Geoff Young Posted: June 20, 2002 at 12:15 AM (#557226)
Is it just me, or did anyone think Thompson was the better of the two prospects the Mets received (the other being Jeff Kent) from Toronto in the David Cone deal many years ago?

Sure hope Jenkins is okay. I broke my ankle back in high school; needless to say, it wasn't much fun.
   36. Jason Posted: August 26, 2002 at 12:48 PM (#558569)
I think perhaps you should take a look at Machado's stats before you pronounce him no good. The other hacks I could care less about, but Machado has hit his way into that nether region of catching where he's good enough to say he can actually hit, but he still looks at Posada and Piazza from miles away. All of which is to say He's been 1 of the 5 or 10 best catchers this year
   37. Bud Selig Posted: August 26, 2002 at 01:27 PM (#558570)
My poor Brewers have been forced to carry three, or even four, catchers due to problems playing in a small market that they simply can't overcome. Its clear we need a salary cap and revenue sharing so that teams like this can return to a competitive, two-catcher-carrying state.
   38. MattB Posted: August 26, 2002 at 01:33 PM (#558571)
Machado's numbers this year seem more like a fluke (if you can call a rise to mediocrity a fluke). His OPS is about 100 points above his career average, and in only a months-worth of games in Milwaukee stem from a few extra walks and a handful of additional doubles.

These are not numbers that warrant a starting job in 2003, if there is a more consistent option available.
   39. Jason Posted: August 26, 2002 at 02:35 PM (#558572)
I would hardly call the 300 ABs prior to this season enough to base an opinion on his hitting skills. If I had some minor league stats I might feel differently, but a catcher who can throw out runners at a break even rate or better and hit enough to not be an embarassment is well above average for the thinnest position in MLB today. And he's cheap for another couple of years. I'm not sure what your standards are for catchers Matt, but they've gotten pretty low. There's roughly 65 catchers in the major right now and about 50 of them are strictly catch and throw warm bodies, another 10 might be considered young enough to be pretty good and about 5 guys that are worth investing substantially more than 1 million a year.
   40. Jason Posted: September 04, 2002 at 12:22 PM (#558670)
First in your MLE record you list Louisville as the Brewers AAA affiliate which is wrong it has been Indianapolis for a while.
   41. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 04, 2002 at 02:10 PM (#558672)
Rushford started in LF for the Brewers last night and was 0-4 with a K. He also contributed a key fielding error to the Cubs' 3-run 3rd inning.

I've seen Rushford play. He's a pure hitter a la Tony Gwynn; he doesn't get cheated when he swings and usually hits the ball hard. I think the MLE's are probably a good representation of what he could do given major league time.

-- MWE
   42. Jason Posted: September 04, 2002 at 04:13 PM (#558673)
Rushford is indeed not a young man, but this is the organization still paying (and playing) Lenny Harris, so it's a step. I think that an average of the two MLE is a pretty good guess. A low .800 OPS heavy on OBP and batting average with moderate power. I think that this year's MLE is a bit off because Jim took awhile to start hitting HRs at AAA this year, so I'd expect after he adjusts he's good for a few .300/ .360/ .450 years.
   43. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 05, 2002 at 12:09 PM (#558674)
Just for clarification: I wasn't implying that Rushford is likely to hit as well as did Tony Gwynn, only that his approach at the plate is similar, he rarely takes tentative cuts at the ball, and that when he makes contact the ball is generally hit hard somewhere, as was the case with Gwynn.

-- MWE
   44. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 05, 2002 at 01:17 PM (#558675)
I must confess that I still don't understand why the Brewers DFA'd Casanova. He was the best catcher on the team; not great, but much better than Fabregas.
   45. RJ in TO Posted: September 05, 2002 at 04:15 PM (#558676)
Vlad,

That's why they're the Brewers. If they could figure these things out, we'd probably be calling them the A's. But since they can't, we call them crap.
   46. MattB Posted: September 30, 2002 at 01:20 AM (#558891)
This signing earns a TO topic, but we see nothing for 3 weeks following the monumental signing of Raul Casanova by the Orioles, leading to 2 appearances, and one plate appearance (he struck out)?

What hope is there for the Brewers if they gain Manny Alexander, but don't make a concerted effort to resign Raul Casanova, if, for nothing else, as a mop-up pitcher for blowouts? (I think "Raul Casanova" might be Spanish for "Hal Newhouser").

http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/newhoha01.shtml
   47. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 30, 2002 at 03:53 AM (#558893)
4-32! Woohoo!
   48. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 30, 2002 at 06:36 PM (#558895)
Maybe the Brewers are going to make a play for Nomar.
   49. Greg Franklin Posted: September 30, 2002 at 09:14 PM (#558896)
Perhaps the Brew Crew should sign Lou Merloni as an "inducement" for Nomar. What do you think?
   50. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 01, 2002 at 01:31 AM (#558897)
For starters, I'm thinking you didn't read my previous post, Greg.
   51. Greg Franklin Posted: October 02, 2002 at 07:55 AM (#558900)
Vlad, you are one devious man. The Brewers could be a .500 team if you ran the ship. :)
   52. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 08, 2002 at 02:00 PM (#558901)
Can anyone explain to me the fascination the Brewers have with ex-Cub spare parts? Isn't it clear that they sucked in Chicago, and will probably suck again? Man if only they could get Miguel Cairo and Shawn Dunston, this team would be set.

Gary Woods, you still out there? The Brew Crew needs some bench depth.
   53. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 11, 2002 at 02:16 AM (#558903)
FYI, MattB, the Orioles released Raul Casanova.
   54. MM1f Posted: October 15, 2002 at 06:41 PM (#558904)
"...the Orioles released Raul Casanova."

So that's what, twice in two months? A month and a half maybe?

What's the record on that anyways?
   55. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 19, 2002 at 05:37 AM (#558905)
What's the record on that anyways?

I don't know, but it probably involves Johnny LeMaster.
   56. Greg Franklin Posted: October 21, 2002 at 07:44 AM (#558906)
Nothing in my memory could compare to the great Tim Pugh Waiver Wire War of 1996. God, that was freaky.
   57. Russ Posted: November 07, 2002 at 07:26 PM (#558907)
I was just trying to figure out what the Brewers were going to do, to protect Richie Sexson in there line up next season, I heard that they were not going to add any players, if they don`t, us Brewer fans are looking towards another losing season, which is nothing new, way bother hiring a new GM and Manager, if you don`t plan on trying to improve your team? the Brewers MUST do something to bring fans out to that beautiful new ball park, Miller Park is a fantastic ball park, however it would look not as good with nobody there to watch them play.
   58. Russ Posted: November 07, 2002 at 07:26 PM (#558908)
I was just trying to figure out what the Brewers were going to do, to protect Richie Sexson in there line up next season, I heard that they were not going to add any players, if they don`t, us Brewer fans are looking towards another losing season, which is nothing new, way bother hiring a new GM and Manager, if you don`t plan on trying to improve your team? the Brewers MUST do something to bring fans out to that beautiful new ball park, Miller Park is a fantastic ball park, however it would look not as good with nobody there to watch them play.
   59. Greg Franklin Posted: November 10, 2002 at 07:43 AM (#558909)
Moves from Friday:

* Signed catcher Cody McKay as a 6-year minor league free agent and added him to their 40-man roster.

* Signed pitcher Brooks Kieschnick and infielder Scott Seabol as non-roster invitees.

Slowly but surely the Brewers are taking advantage of the new MLB economic order....
   60. Aaron Gleeman Posted: November 10, 2002 at 10:09 PM (#559246)
Does anyone know whether or not Kieschnick has hit much since his conversion to relief pitcher? My guess is that his hitting and outfield skills are a little rusty.

Brooks Kieschnick at AAA Charlotte in 2002:

189 ABs
   61. Greg Franklin Posted: November 11, 2002 at 06:02 AM (#559249)
From the Baseball America batting stats, Kieschnick only shows 1 game logged at OF -- the rest of the time he was a DH.

The AP article implies Kieschnick is being looked at strictly as a pitcher.
   62. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: November 11, 2002 at 02:50 PM (#559250)
I can't see the Brewers as the team to pull off a bold move like that.

I share your skepticism, but it's a new management team in Milwaukee with Melvin and Yost... I think there's a chance they may see 106 losses and realize it's very unlikely to get any worse. They have at least two years to do something.

Kieschnick is a classic high-risk, high-reward guy, and I think signing him is exactly the sort of move the Brewers need to make. As far as how he is used, I think Yost will probably make use of him if he makes the team. It's just too tempting, when you have a guy hurt and a short bench, to give Kieschnick the opportunity to pinch-hit... and once that works out successfully, the temptation to keep going back to the well is going to be considerable.

To give some idea, Kieschnick's .259 MLEqA at Charlotte was within six points of the EqA the Brewers got from Eric Young, Jeffrey Hammonds, Alex Sanchez, Mark Loretta, Alex Ochoa, and Geoff Jenkins. He outhit Ronnie Belliard and all of the Brew Crew's 113,000 catchers by a huge amount. Basically, most days he'll be one of their two or three best pinch-hitters.
   63. Jason Posted: November 11, 2002 at 03:11 PM (#559251)
It's my understanding that Brooks will probably see more AAA time this year though who knows what a good spring might do for him. I don't think the Brewers are planning on huge things from him, but Melvin was smart enough to realize there's a potential huge pay off with him so he'll take a look and see if he can pitch.
   64. Sean Forman Posted: November 11, 2002 at 08:11 PM (#559254)
I can't believe Colorado had this guy and let him go. He doesn't even have to be that great of a pitcher. Let him get 60 innings at the end of the bullpen in no pressure mop up situations. As long as you have a backup outfielder who can play center he can be the 5th OFer/12th bullpen guy. You can then carry another infield platoon or a catcher platoon. It makes a lot of sense (at least to me).
   65. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: November 11, 2002 at 10:16 PM (#559255)
You know what? Sean is genius. Brooks as a pitcher in Coors and a hitter on the road is a brilliant what-the-hell, no risk move. If it doesn't work, is it really going to damage the Rockies playoff chances? Just because this isn't a concept you can build a team around (since Kieschnick is the only one of his kind) doesn't mean you shouldn't take advantage of the one when he's sitting right in front of you.
   66. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: November 12, 2002 at 03:16 AM (#559257)
dp, I phrased that badly. I meant that Kieschnick is (was?) unlikely to pan out as a major league pitcher. It's not high-risk in the sense of having to shell out a lot to get him.
   67. Aaron Gleeman Posted: November 15, 2002 at 11:02 PM (#559398)
I completely agree Dan.

This is not a big deal or anything, but I think the Brewers did well here.
   68. Cris E Posted: November 15, 2002 at 11:25 PM (#559399)
Not only a bad trade in terms of the players involved, but it makes the trading of Reed that much harder since Kinney was one of the leading candidates for Sixth Man in the rotation. (I realize Ryan has stated he doesn't intend to trade any pitchers, but that doesn't make this any better an idea. And he was robbed by MIL.)
   69. NTNgod Posted: November 16, 2002 at 12:35 AM (#559401)
Nice, nice.

Why would the Twins trade for a guy (Oakes) who had this line in the Midwest League:
   70. Jason Posted: November 16, 2002 at 12:54 AM (#559403)
Well If Javier is truly an under appreciated talent as a catcher it's a solid deal for Mil, but Yeatman's a pretty good prospect. His numbers tailed off later in the year not uncommon for a guy's first year of full season ball and he's got the stuff to be more than a 5th starter. The Twins might be looking at it as cashing in talent they really couldn't use effectively right now for a guy who can step in later to keep things going.
   71. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 16, 2002 at 01:36 AM (#559404)
Looks like a good day for getting starting catchers on the cheap.
   72. Mikαεl Posted: November 18, 2002 at 05:42 PM (#559411)
Pitcher A: 117 IP, 93 H, 59 R, 46 ER, 4 HR, 78 BB, 123 K
   73. Mikαεl Posted: November 18, 2002 at 05:43 PM (#559412)
That's Matt Kinney at 20. Yeatman was 19, still eight months younger.
   74. NTNgod Posted: November 19, 2002 at 02:37 AM (#559496)
I think Veras' playing time will depend on how quickly Corey Hart continues to move up the ladder, and if Hart stays at third or not.

Hart will obviously need more time at AA to start, but he doesn't turn 21 until next March...

(Of course, if Hart's error totals at third reflect his defensive ability, he might have the ability to make, say, Keith Moreland look like Brooks Robinson)
   75. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 19, 2002 at 03:07 AM (#559497)
Minor league error totals don't tell you a whole lot about a player's defensive ability for two reasons:

-- minor league fields are horrible (grooming and lighting both)
   76. NTNgod Posted: November 19, 2002 at 06:49 AM (#559499)
There are Brewer fans that have since popped up from time to time.

You taught me not to lie, Mom.....so I stopped using it :)
   77. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: December 12, 2002 at 03:46 PM (#560509)
Well thank goodness he's not a Padre.
   78. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 12, 2002 at 03:57 PM (#560511)
It's insane that teams are fighting over Royce Clayton and ignoring Jose Hernandez.
   79. Jason Posted: December 12, 2002 at 05:04 PM (#560516)
Well it seems like the Brewers offer was more than it had to be by a few hundred thousand, this isn't exactly a crippling or illogical move. And for once the Brewers aren't touting their annual FA signing as the final piece of the puzzle. It's a neutral signing no real harm and no major benefit. It's got at least some benefit in that Melvin can spend the winter meeting looking for real ways to improve the team without feeling like he needs to fill any obvious places where he lacks a player.
   80. Edmundo Posted: December 12, 2002 at 05:48 PM (#560518)
Do the ESPYs have a "High Price of Mediocrity" award? This would have to be a finalist for 2002.
   81. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: December 12, 2002 at 07:45 PM (#560521)
The quotes from the ESPN.com article may be the funniest I've read in a long time.

Doug Melvin: "Last year he got off to a horrible start that we don't want to talk about. But from June on he hit over .300. . . . I have confidence in Royce's ability overall, both offensively and defensively."

Royce Clayton: "I think this organization is heading in the right direction. They have a number of young players who are capable of throwing up tremendous seasons."
   82. Eugene Freedman Posted: December 13, 2002 at 05:52 AM (#560527)
I'm just glad he's not the replacement for the retired? Mike Bordick in Baltimore. Sure the O's should play Batista there, but maybe Jose Hernandez could be on the cheap. He's an upgrade.
   83. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 13, 2002 at 02:35 PM (#560530)
Well, how expensive can he be if nobody's making any effort to sign him? Supply's outpacing demand, at the moment.
   84. Bill Posted: January 11, 2003 at 06:46 AM (#563025)
Between this comment and the Kenny Bania schtick, Dan is on my good side today.

I was at the game in 1997 when Mlicki shut out the Yanks in what was (and no doubt always will be) the highlight of his career. Every time someone else signs him I wonder whether there was a GM's convention in NYC that night and everyone got the idea that he was a pitcher.
   85. Mike Posted: January 11, 2003 at 07:46 AM (#563027)
What about me, buddie?
   86. John Posted: January 11, 2003 at 09:54 AM (#563030)
Why would teams want to spend their revenue sharing money on hiring players?
   87. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 11, 2003 at 03:58 PM (#563031)
Osik must've been really hard up for opportunities this offseason.
   88. KJOK Posted: January 11, 2003 at 11:01 PM (#563032)
"good crap depth".... Now there's a good baseball analysis term that I hope catches on...
   89. Mr. Crowley Posted: January 16, 2003 at 10:59 PM (#563531)
It's a trap!
   90. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: October 27, 2003 at 03:03 PM (#567974)
Geez, Dan, I don't know. Guys with a 42-76 career record and a 5.11 career ERA aren't really the types of guys I'm overly keen on giving a million dollars to, especially in any situation where the budget is tight. If the team has some sort of plan in place for Rusch, one that Rusch himself is on board with, I could see it.

But if you just intend to pay the guy a million dollars to be the Glendon Rusch we all know and mock, I don't see it.
   91. Andrew Edwards Posted: October 27, 2003 at 04:07 PM (#567975)
I'd say that JP ought to be interested, but if there's ever been a pitcher I'm sure would implode in SkyDome, it's Glendon here.
   92. Jason Posted: October 27, 2003 at 07:24 PM (#567978)
You know I think Glendon is the poster child for the anti-DIPS people. When Milwaukee first got him I was all excited, because DIPS said he'd be our new defacto ace. Yet again he's putting up these impressive DIPS results. I wonder is he one of those outliers that made it to the majors despite being very poor at giving up hits? The evidence now seems to favor some effect of the pitcher on ball-in-play and Rusch might be prone to giving up those rather consistently. It's also worth noting that he's pretty bad defensively and that may work against him even more.
   93. J. Cross Posted: October 27, 2003 at 08:37 PM (#567981)
Rusch BIPr's

2003 - .381
   94. Andrew Edwards Posted: October 27, 2003 at 09:37 PM (#567982)
On the Jay-obsessed front, Royce Clayton, for the minimum, might not be a bad backup SS.
   95. Ziggy Posted: October 27, 2003 at 10:35 PM (#567984)
I can't believe they gave Haynes a player option. That was just a terrible move. It was almost as bad a move as Haynes is a pitcher.
   96. MM1f Posted: October 29, 2003 at 12:01 AM (#567988)
Brew Crew signed Travis Phelps to a minor-league deal.
   97. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: October 29, 2003 at 05:28 PM (#567990)
I don't have the numbers for 2000 (from Prospectus). That's one normal BIPr years and two terrible ones. Sometimes lighting does strike twice and I'm not sure if we can know if he's been unlucky or bad. Interestingly, 2002 was the year Rusch had his worst DIPS numbers and the most grounders.

Two off-seasons ago I figured H% & Hit Deltas for every pitcher who'd throw 150 or more innings in a season from 1986-onward. If Rusch isn't an outlier, then there is no such thing as an outlier. He's the anti-Charlie Hough. He always gives up more hits than his Voros-stuff would suggest. Two of the three worst Hit Deltas I know of come from this one pitcher - in 2001 & 2003. (Jaime Navarro had the other one). Those are the only seasons I know of where a pitcher's given up +30 more hits than the team's H% would indicate. Granted, he usually doesn't do that bad, but he'll generally (IIRC, I don't have any of the info in front of me) allow +10 or more hits than one would figure. In the context of his career, 2002 is actually the outlier in that he wasn't too far off his team's H%. IIRC, it was the best hit delta of his career. The point is, though I'm a big fan of DIPS & DIPS ERA, I wouldn't trust it too much with Rusch. In other words, what 8 ball said.
   98. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 29, 2003 at 07:20 PM (#567991)
Yeah, I could easily see Rusch sliding into D'Amico's rotation slot.
   99. Mike Emeigh Posted: October 30, 2003 at 04:44 AM (#567993)
BIP against Glendon Rusch, 2003:

FB: 132 (32.3%)
   100. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: October 30, 2003 at 07:10 AM (#567994)
Rusch's Hit Deltas, IP (rounded off) & HD/9IP (1997-2002 from prospectus, 2003 I calculated):

1996..14..170...0.74
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