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Thursday, December 08, 2005

New York Yankees - The Defenestration of Womack

New York Yankees - In a parallel to the Romans salting the fields of the Carthaginians, the Yankees send 2B Tony Womack to the Cincinnati Reds for undisclosed considerations.

For this trade to be fair, the Yankees would have to throw in a couple of prospects.

2006 ZiPS Projection - Tony Womack
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AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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436 55 107 14 2   2 34 24 55 19 .245 .288 .300

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:01 PM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Original SJ Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:21 PM (#1767945)
As long as the Yankees don't get Tony Womack in return, this trade is a winner.
   2. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:22 PM (#1767950)
Let's put this in perspective. In the free-agent era, is there a worse one-and-done performance on a multiyear contract?
   3. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:23 PM (#1767951)
More likely, the Yankees are sending extra cash, probably $10m or so...

I'm disappointed; I really hoped the Yankees would make Womack wear an old Tom Gordon jersey around and strut him on the hill to face Manny Ramirez.
   4. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:23 PM (#1767952)
I really don't get what the Reds are doing here.
   5. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:23 PM (#1767953)
TVerik, if the Nats could dump Guzman on someone, there would be.
   6. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:24 PM (#1767956)
Excellent word (defenestration), excellent move. Addition by subtraction baby. Lord knows the Yanks aren't going to add anything this year.
   7. Swedish Chef Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:25 PM (#1767962)
The Yankees look dangerously sane.
   8. Spahn Insane Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:26 PM (#1767965)
That projected SLG looks a little high.
   9. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:27 PM (#1767969)
More likely, the Yankees are sending extra cash, probably $10m or so...

If I was the Reds, I would want all of Womack's salary plus a couple million for my trouble.

It doesn't even matter what they're sending back - that's just terrible.
   10. The Run Fairy Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:27 PM (#1767970)
I don't remember - how did the Yankees acquire me?

Anyway, I'm sure TVerik meant position players.
   11. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:30 PM (#1767986)
Womack is free, I assume, and he'll back up someone at 2B. Who's the Reds second baseman next year anyhow? Are they going to give that kid in AAA a chance to win the job, what's his name, Bergolla? They should...
   12. JC in DC Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:30 PM (#1767987)
Kevin Howard in return?
   13. Furious George Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:38 PM (#1768013)
Oh thank sweet God.

The Yanks really do need that extra rosin bag the Reds are sending their way.
   14. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:39 PM (#1768018)
Weren't you acquired in the White Man deal a few years ago, Felix? Did the Yankees sign you as a FA after that deal? I don't think so.
   15. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:39 PM (#1768019)
from AP:

New York received infielder Kevin Howard and outfielder Ben Himes in the trade, and will send $900,000 to the Reds to offset part of Womack's $2 million salary next season.


The Reds actually gave up players? And only get $900k back?

OK, Cashman is the GM of the year, just for this transaction.
   16. The Original SJ Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:41 PM (#1768024)
I doubt the yanks are sending any scratch, a little bird has told me there were multiple teams inquiring about Womack.
   17. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:42 PM (#1768029)
Well, SJ, the Yankees are sending close to a million. That's decent scratch
   18. The Original SJ Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:42 PM (#1768030)
I meant all the scratch.

I would like to say, Womack handled his demotion with very little whining and complaining, publically. For that I tip my hat to him. I will even drive him to the airport if he wishes.
   19. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:43 PM (#1768032)
Yankees grabbed The Run Fairy off of waivers in 2003.

I don't see how Womack will get 2 homers...
   20. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:44 PM (#1768034)
I will even drive him to the airport if he wishes.

Of course, he'll be bound and gagged in the trunk, but you'll do the driving.
   21. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:47 PM (#1768042)
Now watch Tony win the NL MVP with a .340/410/550 line.
   22. The Original SJ Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:49 PM (#1768045)
Ben Himes is a nothing, 25 year old corner outfielder still in A ball.

Kevin Howard went 296/346/428 last year in AA, has a chance to be an excellent college third base coach somewhere down the line.
   23. The Original SJ Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:50 PM (#1768050)
Kevin Howard was actually available in the Rule 5 draft, BA did a preview on him

Howard has the biggest buzz coming into this year's draft after having a brilliant season in the Arizona Fall League. A fifth-round pick in 2002 out of Miami, Howard won the AFL batting title, hitting .409-3-16 in 88 at-bats. But perhaps his strongest asset was proving himself to be an adequate defender at third base. Howard played third in college, but played primarily second base since turning pro. He's a patient lefthanded hitter with a line-drive stroke, and has shown improved power. Some scouts in the AFL liked him better at third, and Howard could be solid at either spot making him the best overall position player available in the draft. Dan Uggla (Diamondbacks) is another utility player who dramatically upped his stock in the AFL, but Howard's lefthanded bat, which could be valuable off a big league bench, gives him the edge.
   24. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:56 PM (#1768058)
a little bird has told me there were multiple teams inquiring about Womack.

Sure, now that Rickey's retired, I'm sure the Surf Dawgs could use a utility guy.
   25. BDC Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:01 PM (#1768067)
is there a worse one-and-done performance on a multiyear contract?

I was going to say Chan Ho Park, but I guess that depends on your definition of "done." :) You could argue that one-and-done is better than a guy hanging around to haunt you for years ...

Anyway, Nick Esasky's contract with Atlanta comes to mind as an even worse outcome, God have mercy on him.
   26. Craig in MN Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:03 PM (#1768072)
# I really don't get what the Reds are doing here.

Well, the Reds would have traded a bucket of balls for Womack, but they didn't have any left, what with Milton pitching for them all year. All they had left were players to give up.

That projected SLG looks a little high.

The Reds play in a very hitter friendly park, and ZIPs knows it....you can't expect ZIPs to realize that won't help a hitter as feeble as Womack (well, unless he somehow gets to hit against Milton, that is).
   27. BDC Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:04 PM (#1768076)
God, I'm older than Nick Esasky.

I'm younger than Rickey, though.
   28. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:11 PM (#1768088)
I bet the Reds could have gotten Willie Harris for next to nothing - the White Sox seem set to ton-tender him. He's younger, cheaper, and better, and he would have signed for peanuts just for a chance to play every day.

Tony Womack. What a waste.
   29. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:15 PM (#1768096)
But one-and-done implies that not only do we nerds think he's useless, but his team does so as well. Obviously this isn't the case for Neifi or Enrique Wilson or Christian Guzman, who are valued by their clubs.
   30. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:18 PM (#1768107)
"and he would have signed for peanuts just for a chance to play every day."

They're not going to start Womack are they?
   31. zonk Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:19 PM (#1768121)
the Yankees send 2B Tony Womack to the Cincinnati Reds for undisclosed considerations.

Sheesh... The only way I see "undisclosed considerations" making any sense is if Dan O'Brien has a scorching case of herpes and medical science can't figure out a way to cure it, only transfer to another host --- and the "future considerations" are Brian Cashman taking on the malady.
   32. PooNani Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1768133)
<3 Cashman
   33. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:28 PM (#1768147)
This has really brought out the best in BTF. I laughed out loud at Dan's intro, and that was only the beginning...
   34. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:31 PM (#1768156)
We've seen "If this guy gets 400 PAs, it's a bad deal."

This one is, "If this guy gets 1 PA, it's a bad deal."

Pretty much every time Tony steps into the batter's box, this deal gets worse and worse.
   35. Dan The Mediocre Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:35 PM (#1768175)
a little bird has told me there were multiple teams inquiring about Womack.

I bet one of those teams was the Cubs...
   36. Spike Owen 10/2/1987 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:42 PM (#1768192)
Dear Diary,

My Reds traded for Tony Womack today. I'll stop at the liquor store on the way home. Time to start that serious drinking problem I've been planning ever since the Eric Milton signing.
   37. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:42 PM (#1768193)
Now watch Tony win the NL MVP with a .340/410/550 line.

More likely, watch Womack win the NL MVP with a .340/.340/.340 line and 60 stolen bases when the Reds somehow win the Wild Card.
   38. zonk Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:56 PM (#1768222)
In all fairness - I would be willing to give Tony Womack a bag of peanuts to play every day....

...in Boise.
   39. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:56 PM (#1768225)
I bet one of those teams was the Cubs...

My big fear was seeing Corey Patterson go to NY in exchange for Womack. With Macias gone, you just know Dusty's itching to give 130 PAs to another worthless veteran who "plays" 7 positions and will hit .260/.260/.260.
   40. TDF, situational idiot Posted: December 08, 2005 at 09:07 PM (#1768258)
$1.1 mill for a backup MI? Money has been spent worse (see: Pitching staff, Cincinnati Reds). And if worse comes to worst, he's the starter and gives Bergolla an extra year of minor league seasoning (everyone agrees he's not quite ready yet). Unlike the Spankees, Womak isn't seen as an intregal part of a championship team in Cinci.

Giving up Howard and Himes? Maybe those spots will go to guys who'll actually help the big club some day.

In the end, this is a nothing deal - Womak won't be with the Reds past this year, they didn't really give anything up for him, and the money involved shouldn't affect any of their other deals. Unless acquiring Womak keeps them from keeping Aurillia, which is the only way this becomes a bad deal.
   41. SG Posted: December 08, 2005 at 09:12 PM (#1768271)
I'll miss Womack as a pinch-running weapon off the bench who was afraid to steal. The best Womack moment for me was when he pinch-hit for Jason Giambi. That was special.
   42. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 09:49 PM (#1768363)
As a Red Sox fan, I am very sad that this deal happened.

As a person who hadn't had a good belly laugh since last week's episode of My Name is Earl, I'm very happy that this deal happened.
   43. Damon Rutherford Posted: December 08, 2005 at 10:13 PM (#1768407)
Perhaps Womack can be the courtesy runner for Griffey.
   44. DCW3 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 10:24 PM (#1768420)
In a parallel to the Romans salting the fields of the Carthaginians, the Yankees send 2B Tony Womack to the Cincinnati Reds for undisclosed considerations.

I move that this enter into our cultural vernacular:

"I love that scene in 'Speed' on top of the subway where Keanu Reeves totally trades Dennis Hopper for undisclosed considerations."
   45. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 10:40 PM (#1768423)
not so fast, yankee fans, not so fast...

Free agent Mike Myers told MLB.com that he's agreed to a two-year deal with the Yankees.
"I'm jacked up for it," Myers said. "It's going to be a lot of fun. The Yankees are a team I have wanted to play with for quite a while. I'm glad the deal was able to come to fruition." Hopefully, he's been taking notes while David Ortiz is at the plate. He'll be facing him quite a bit in the future. Dec. 8 - 4:07 pm et
Source: MLB.com
Jeff Harris - S - Mariners
   46. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 08, 2005 at 10:51 PM (#1768451)
Howard actually has a chance to be a useful player. He can play SS as well as 2B and 3B, and hits with enoough authority to be a useful bench part.

-- MWE
   47. JPWF13 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 11:25 PM (#1768511)
Obviously this isn't the case for Neifi or Enrique Wilson or Christian Guzman, who are valued by their clubs.

Well to be fair to Guzman his career line is .260/.298/.374 and he does have 3 years at too much money to go and he hit .325/.369/.481 in September last year and it was only 2001 that he looked like he was going to be a really good player...
   48. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: December 08, 2005 at 11:27 PM (#1768513)
Christmas came early, Yankee fans. I would have settled for a couple pounds of reindeer excrement in exchange for Womack. The outfield could use some fertilizer and Cashman didn't have the guts to use Womack's carcass for it.
   49. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: December 08, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1768532)
I understand the Yankees will be acquiring Mayim Bialik to make up the eyebrow shortfall this creates.
   50. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 09, 2005 at 01:20 AM (#1768751)
Well this thread was hilarious right from post #1. Almost brightened my mood on this terrible, terrible day.
   51. Greg Franklin Posted: December 09, 2005 at 01:35 AM (#1768791)
I hope Dan borrowed that "salting the earth" parallel from the Diamondbacks Looking Ahead preview.

This Womack deal seems like a different thing, though. It's more of a "catapult disease-ridden corpse over defenders' walls, wait for the besieged to fall ill or die, waltz in, claim the flag, The End" thing.

Bronx Banter likes the deal: "Oh, Glorious Day!"
   52. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 09, 2005 at 01:47 AM (#1768815)
Doh! I thought I was being original, too.
   53. Vida Blew Over the Legal Limit Posted: December 09, 2005 at 03:43 PM (#1769525)
As a Reds fan...oh to hell with it....
   54. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 09, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1769537)
I understand the Yankees will be acquiring Mayim Bialik to make up the eyebrow shortfall this creates.

*wipes brow and wonders about rLr's "problems"*
   55. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 09, 2005 at 03:52 PM (#1769548)
not so fast, yankee fans, not so fast...

Free agent Mike Myers told MLB.com that he's agreed to a two-year deal with the Yankees.


Stop trying to rain on our parade, levski.

a) virtually no news could color this Womack Withdrawal.
b) Myers is actually the best lefty option the Yankees have. I'd rather see him in the game than Embree.
   56. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 09, 2005 at 04:05 PM (#1769569)
Congratulations to Yankees fans.
   57. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: December 10, 2005 at 04:26 AM (#1770890)
*wipes brow and wonders about rLr's "problems"*

That girl has a lot of eyebrow. And I recently watched the E! True Hollywood story of Blossom, so she sprang readily to mind.

b) Myers is actually the best lefty option the Yankees have. I'd rather see him in the game than Embree.

He's likely to be the best left-handed reliever the Yankees have had since Mike Stanton, Version 1. Yes, that is pathetic.
   58. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: December 11, 2005 at 12:45 AM (#1771673)
An Elegy to Womack

As shooting stars flash swiftly 'cross the skies
So Tony Womack lived, and now he dies.
No longer will he wear the white and blue
From second base, to Torre's bench, to glue.
Goodbye, old horse, your running days are done.
Your visage will not shade the Yankee sun.
Your popping-up no longer earns my ire.
Your whiffs now stoke a poor Ohioan's fire.
Your bushy brows now capture dust
On the flat Midwestern plain
We've put you out to pasture, horse,
You'll never ride again.

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