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Tuesday, December 06, 2005

Orioles - Acquired Hawkins

Baltimore Orioles - Acquired P LaTroy Hawkins from the San Francisco Giants for P Steve Kline.

A fair, if rather dull trade.  Both pitchers have been useful in the past and were disappointments in 2005.  Steve Kline gives the Giants another lefty other than Jeff Fassero and Jack Taschner, something they could use since they lost Scott Eyre.  The Orioles aren’t deep in bullpen lefties, but they don’t want Kline back after his jerkass outbursts and will be content with either Tim Byrdak or another, yet-to-be-acquired lefty in Kline’s role.  Hawkins and Kline are both signed for 2006 only - Kline makes $3 million and Hawkins gets his fully-vested $4.5 million option.  Hawkins is probably the better pitcher but is also the more expensive one.

Transactions with explosions and partial nudity are more exciting than unwanted reliever swaps between .500 teams.  That is, unless the partial nudity takes place at the GM meetings.

2006 ZiPS Projections
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Player       W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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Hawkins     6   4 72   0   70   68   31   8 19 54 3.99
Kline       2   4 69   0   58   56   31   7 28 34 4.81

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 06, 2005 at 10:15 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Sean McNally Posted: December 06, 2005 at 10:56 PM (#1764593)
Is Hawkins going to close for the O's?

That'd be fun to watch!
   2. ddp Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:04 PM (#1764611)
The O's have some decent young lefties in the minors if I'm correct. The most likely to be up would be John Parrish who's got good stuff but he's just never been able to put it together in the majors.
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:10 PM (#1764625)
The Orioles have Byrdak and Parrish on the 40-man. They haven't always seemed that excited about Parrish. There's also DuBose, who probably won't be in the rotation and Loewen, who isn't ready. Bedard and Chen are both obviously in the rotation and not the pen.
   4. Sam M. Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:11 PM (#1764628)
Transactions with explosions and partial nudity are more exciting than unwanted reliever swaps between .500 teams. That is, unless the partial nudity takes place at the GM meetings.

Hell, partial nudity at GM meetings isn't what it used to be, now that Theo is gone. Sigh.
   5. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:22 PM (#1764653)
So the Giants traded Aardsma and Jerome Williams for 37 innings of 4.10 ERA ball from Hawkins (mind that's in Pac Bell or whatever the stadium is called these days) and a season of Steve Klein?
   6. Darren Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:22 PM (#1764654)
Hawkins is the much better pitcher now and was far more than useful at his best. Kline is a loogy who's only been marginally above average. Absolutely great trade for the O's.
   7. 1k5v3L Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:28 PM (#1764665)
So the Giants traded Aardsma and Jerome Williams for 37 innings of 4.10 ERA ball from Hawkins (mind that's in Pac Bell or whatever the stadium is called these days) and a season of Steve Klein?

Brian Sabean at his best. Of course, he had to do that to get a closer, as he had traded Joe Nathan, along with Boof Bonser and F. Liriano, to the Twins just a little while before that. Great moves.
   8. RP Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1764678)
Remember when Ainsworth, Williams, and Bonser were the core of the next Giants' dynasty? Good times...
   9. 1k5v3L Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:37 PM (#1764683)
Actually, it was Foppert, Williams, Ainsworth, Bonser...

None of them are with the Giants anymore. It's ironic...

At least Matt Cain looks like a keeper. So far, so good...
   10. RP Posted: December 06, 2005 at 11:40 PM (#1764689)
I forgot about Foppert! You're right.
   11. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: December 07, 2005 at 12:02 AM (#1764720)
nice job, Flanagan! Perlozzo + Hawkins could = goodness.

Parrish was banished to Bowie last year after he walked 17 hitters in 17 innings. The stuff is there, the command isn't. maybe Mazzone could help.

anyway, I like Hawkins as closer better than Julio or a Jones overpay.
   12. fables of the deconstruction Posted: December 07, 2005 at 12:50 AM (#1764790)
Is Hawkins going to close for the O's?
That'd be fun to watch!

anyway, I like Hawkins as closer better than Julio or a Jones overpay.


Hey. WAIT!
The Orioles aren't seriously considering using Latroy Hawkins as a closer... Are they???

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   13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 07, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1764800)
Dude, you've got Leo Mazzone now. If he thinks Hawkins can close, then Hawkins can close.
   14. DFA Posted: December 07, 2005 at 01:00 AM (#1764803)
Hey. WAIT!
The Orioles aren't seriously considering using Latroy Hawkins as a closer... Are they???


I'm not sure how many save opportunities the Orioles plan on offering said closer. BTW, Hawkins>Julio. Chris Ray is the best of the bunch, but you need one of those proven veterans to be a closer. You know, because Hudson Street is fiction. I mean, with a name like that...
   15. DFA Posted: December 07, 2005 at 01:09 AM (#1764813)
That should be Houston Street, not Hudson Street.
   16. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: December 07, 2005 at 01:10 AM (#1764815)
You know, because Hudson Street is fiction. I mean, with a name like that...

Especially with a name like Huston Street.
   17. fables of the deconstruction Posted: December 07, 2005 at 01:28 AM (#1764826)
Dude, you've got Leo Mazzone now. If he thinks Hawkins can close, then Hawkins can close.

Well, I'm not so obstinate to believe I can contradict his obvious superiority in knowledge and experience but, I don't think Leo Mazzone can turn a mudpie into a mousse cake. While Hawkins is an above average to excellent set-up man, he does have a rather inconsistent history as a "de facto" closer. If he's just a "stop-gap" for the 2006 season, I believe it would be better to develop a longer term solution for closer by using Julio or someone else, and use Hawkins in the position where his greatest strength lies -- as a set-up man.


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   18. Women's Lib is Ms.Guided Posted: December 07, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1764848)
Hell, partial nudity at GM meetings isn't what it used to be, now that Theo is gone. Sigh.

I heard Theo was such an active GM that he actually showered with the players after games.

Also heard he was a Never Nude.
   19. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: December 07, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1764853)
Woo Hoo. Look out Boston and NYC!
   20. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: December 07, 2005 at 02:16 AM (#1764882)
Woo Hoo. Look out Boston and NYC!

You mean "look out Boston and NYC fans sitting in the bleachers when he comes in to pitch the 9th inning." Either that or look out behind the first base bag if he catches a line drive and wants to double a guy off. You figure he can't hit the guy in the head every time.
   21. Paul M Hates Krispy Kreme Posted: December 07, 2005 at 02:39 AM (#1764905)
Well, at least now San Franscisco will be safe from dinosaurs.
   22. Fog City Blues Posted: December 07, 2005 at 03:46 AM (#1764992)
Well, at least now San Franscisco will be safe from dinosaurs.

Hey, the Giants did re-sign Jeff Fassero.
   23. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 07, 2005 at 06:13 AM (#1765126)
Hey, the Giants did re-sign Jeff Fassero.

And will probably be the oldest team in the majors this year.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:41 AM (#1765229)
Kline is a loogy who's only been marginally above average.

Kline has a career 127 ERA+. In 2001 and 2004, it was over 200. He wasn't really a LOOGY until LaRussa got ahold of him. He's only entering his age 33 season. That projection for him looks totally wack to me. Maybe he's lost it, but last year was largely due to the fact that a guy with a career HR rate of about 1 per 12-13 innings decided to give up 11 in 61 IP.

Still, Hawkins probably is the better pitcher right now despite his much lower career ERA+ (a meager 100).
   25. Minnie Minoso, Hall of Famer Posted: December 07, 2005 at 02:22 PM (#1765351)
More

Baltimore Sun:

The Giants also sent some cash the Orioles' way, believed to be around $900,000, to cover the difference in the two relievers' contracts.
   26. sunnyday2 Posted: December 07, 2005 at 02:24 PM (#1765358)
If the O's keep LaTroy out of any 9th inning action (in close games) he can do better than 3.99. LaTroy is a nice man, please don't throw him in the 9th.
   27. DetroitMichael Posted: December 07, 2005 at 02:33 PM (#1765380)
Can we really say that Hawkins pitches worse as a closer than he does when used in other relief roles? In 1999, he had 14 saves, 7 holds, and no blown saves. In 2000, he was the Twins closer until August. He finished the year with 9 blown saves, but frankly his worst pitching was late in the year after he was removed from the closer's role. I know that he had some prominent blown saves with the Cubs more recently, but looking at his relief career as a whole, it seems to me that the more likely conclusion is that Hawkins is inconsistent, not that he habitually does worse when he is a closer than when he is pitching in a different role.

That being said, his K/BB ratio really tumbled in 2005, so Baltimore shouldn't regard him as their best reliever entering the 2006 season.
   28. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 07, 2005 at 03:50 PM (#1765555)
Upon initially being moved to closer in Minnesota, he saved 23 consecutive opportunities.
   29. RP Posted: December 07, 2005 at 03:52 PM (#1765564)
Has Hawkins actually said anything about not wanting to close? Have any of his teammates or managers said anything about it?
   30. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:48 AM (#1766853)
I know that he had some prominent blown saves with the Cubs more recently, but looking at his relief career as a whole, it seems to me that the more likely conclusion is that Hawkins is inconsistent, not that he habitually does worse when he is a closer than when he is pitching in a different role.

The numbers have been run ad nauseam on this site every time Hawkins comes up (which, for a while there, was pretty often). The evidence tends to show that he's fine in games where he has at least a 2-run lead. It's the 1-run games where he tends to freeze up and pitch poorly.

Which runs into the whole sample size argument for relievers (we're talking maybe 30-35 appearances over the last few years, which isn't much), which again has been bandied about ad nauseam.

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