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Wednesday, May 11, 2005

Orioles - DLed Sosa and Matos

Baltimore Orioles - Placed OF Sammy Sosa and OF Luis Matos on the 15-day DL.

Matos hasn’t been actually placed on the DL yet, but he will be with a broken finger (out for 6 weeks).

It’s a good thing the Orioles have built up that 10 game over .500 cushion - they need it.  The O’s have had a marvelous start, but their offensive depth is non-existent.  That Sosa’s production (a mediocre-at-best 269/325/454) will actually be missed really points to this team’s weakness.  Walter Young is the only player in the minors that’s even remotely viable as a major leaguer (position-player, that is).

For the time being, the Oriole outfield will be some combination of Bigbie, Surhoff, Newhan, and Gibbons with the execrable Keith Reed being called up for one of the DLers and will be the last reserve.  With Matos gone, the Orioles have one of the most top-heavy lineups I’ve ever seen - there’s simply nobody who’s about average, all Hall of Famer performances (Lopez, Tejada, Mora, Roberts) or replacement level or worse (All the outfielders, Palmeiro).

I hope the Orioles have noted this season that they’ve been winning in spite of >35 players, not because of them.

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 12:49 PM | 91 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:22 PM (#1328362)
Come on Dan...two of the team's starting OFs suddenly go down with unpredictable injuries and you make it sound like it's a failure of roster construction. That's a little unfair. Granted, the O's don't have any great replacements lying around, but how many teams could easily handle losing two of their starting OFs at once?

In any event, this really sucks. Losing Matos esp. will be a big blow (and the Ump last night was incompetent).
   2. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:32 PM (#1328378)
Maybe Newhan will hit .400 for another 100 abs. Who plays center now?
   3. Nobody ##### with DeJesus Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:38 PM (#1328388)
I'm guessing Bigbie.
   4. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:39 PM (#1328391)
I don't know. I think the Orioles should take the approach I recommended for the Yankees on one of the "Yankees suck" threads...find a good field, no hit CF like Shinjo. Newhan and Surhoff can play RF.
   5. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:41 PM (#1328395)
Mariotti's take.

Summary: Sosa's faking an injury because he doesn't want to face the fans in Chicago. Also, fraudpoopery about steroids.
   6. Eugene Freedman Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:50 PM (#1328409)
Losing Matos esp. will be a big blow (and the Ump last night was incompetent).

You cannot be awarded firstbase on a HBP when you make an offer at the pitch. Matos attempted a bunt. He did not pull the bat back. It's a swing, not a hit by pitch regardless of what foolishness the O's announcers rant about. Someone on their production staffs should have referred them to rule 6.08- I believe.

They owe the ump an apology.

He did miss that swing that he called a foul on Cuddyer. The pitches on Surhoff might have been outside- both of them- but the second one wasn't low.
   7. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:53 PM (#1328414)
??? He did pull the bat back. There's no way he was offering at that pitch.
   8. j.q. higgins Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:59 PM (#1328426)
who else do you think will be called up, though?

if young got called up, do you think they'd actually give him a shot? this freire fellow is tearing it up in ottawa, but i think he's like 31 or somesuch.

anybody notice that richard stahl (3HR/37K/35IP)and hayden penn (2HR/47K/41IP) are tearing it up in frederick?
   9. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:00 PM (#1328433)
Mariotti's take.

Summary: Sosa's faking an injury because he doesn't want to face the fans in Chicago. Also, fraudpoopery about steroids.


Ugh, I don't think Sosa is the bitter one here. Mariotti sounds like a spurned 15 year old girl. I guess Sammy Sosa is on page one of his 'Burn Book.'

Best Regards

John
   10. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:04 PM (#1328439)
I hope they call up Young and start giving him some of Palmeiro's ABs. Majewski would be a perfect fill in but he's out for the season. There are no other OFs in the system worth calling up (Fiorentino and Markakis are a couple years away). If they don't get a CF from outside the system, and they probably won't, Newhan will probably get most of the PT in CF. He might be ok.

Penn is actually in AA Bowie, and he's quickly emerged as the O's best prospect. Stahl seems to finally turned it around, but who knows if he's a real prospect at this point. C. Ray is also pitching very well as a closer. If they trade Julio for a 1B or OF Ray could probably step in. (and Parrish could probably fill Julio's role anyway)
   11. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:08 PM (#1328445)
Mariotti's take.

Good lord. It's amazing that he's getting paid a lot of money by a very prominent news outlet to write this stuff. Does he even have a shred of evidence that Sosa faked this injury? I'm sure if confronted he would just claim it's meant to be humorous, but that's baloney.
   12. j.q. higgins Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:12 PM (#1328452)
j'accuse!

isn't it like ryan accusing nomar of 'roids? produce the body, you mutts!
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:12 PM (#1328453)
It's pretty hard to fake an infection after they've taken a microbe culture.
   14. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:21 PM (#1328467)
Mariotti's take.

Early nominee for the 2005 Robert Novak memorial ######### of Liberty award.
   15. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:31 PM (#1328484)
Actually, I forgot about Cameron. There's already been some noise about that possibility, so maybe the O's will step up efforts to get him. Maybe Julio and Maine for Cameron and his contract? I don't know what the Mets would want for him.
   16. Spahn Insane Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:59 PM (#1328532)
Mariotti could have the ######### Award retired by now.

This is pretty weak to begin with, but even more so given that the O's will be playing at the Cell, not at Wrigley.
   17. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:14 PM (#1328559)
Come on Dan...two of the team's starting OFs suddenly go down with unpredictable injuries and you make it sound like it's a failure of roster construction. That's a little unfair.

No, it is a failure of roster construction. The Orioles weren't even close to being prepared for one injury to a starting outfielder. When two of the three outfielders are Luis Matos, who has a dismal health record over his professional career and Sosa, who's ancient and had two injury-plagued season, that's an inexcusable offense.

I'm not even talking about having Victor Diaz as a spare outfielder; the Orioles didn't even bother to make sure they had a backup option that was even as good as a 5th outfielder.

The Yankees are a poorly constructed team and even they have better minor league outfielders. The best the Orioles can come up with is Bobby Darula, a 31-year-old journeyman who could hit 340/340 in the majors.

It's OK not to have a spare that isn't as good as Mike Cameron. It's not OK to not have a spare that isn't as good as Mike Vento.
   18. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:24 PM (#1328574)
No, it is a failure of roster construction. The Orioles weren't even close to being prepared for one injury to a starting outfielder.

I don't agree. Newhan is certainly capable of filing in if one OF goes down, and I'm pretty sure he's a lot better than Mike Vento (whoever that is). The Orioles probably should have found another OF to stash in AAA after Majewski went down, but that's hardly an unforgivable error.

When two of the three outfielders are Luis Matos, who has a dismal health record over his professional career and Sosa, who's ancient and had two injury-plagued season, that's an inexcusable offense.

Matos does have a dismal health record, but he was healthy coming into this season and there was no reason to expect him to go down after getting hit on the finger. That's not a predictable injury. Sosa I'll give you, but I think Newhan (and Surhoff to a lesser extent) was pretty good insurance for him.
   19. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:27 PM (#1328585)
Todd Hollandsworth is available. Makes us an offer!
   20. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:31 PM (#1328592)
I don't agree. Newhan is certainly capable of filing in if one OF goes down, and I'm pretty sure he's a lot better than Mike Vento (whoever that is). The Orioles probably should have found another OF to stash in AAA after Majewski went down, but that's hardly an unforgivable error.

Sure it is. What's the purpose of having a minor league affiliate that isn't equipped to supply players to the major league affiliate?

As for David Newhan, if the Orioles plan was to rely on the good utility guy who just had by far the best season of his professional career, that's not a point in their favore.

Matos does have a dismal health record, but he was healthy coming into this season and there was no reason to expect him to go down after getting hit on the finger. That's not a predictable injury. Sosa I'll give you, but I think Newhan (and Surhoff to a lesser extent) was pretty good insurance for him.

Just because Matos happened to go out on an injury unrelated to his health history doesn't mean that he wasn't a health risk to begin with. "Healthy coming into the season" and 3 quarters buys you a McPaper.
   21. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:32 PM (#1328595)
Todd Hollandsworth is available. Makes us an offer!

Okay. How about Julio, Bigbie, and Ponson for Hollandsworth, Patterson, and Prior?
   22. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:39 PM (#1328613)
So you're saying I should pick up Choi instead of Newhan in my fantasy league?
   23. Kurt Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:41 PM (#1328616)
So you're saying I should pick up Choi instead of Newhan in my fantasy league?

Good one. I'm in an AL-only league, and had both Matos and Sosa, so now I'm looking at Newhan or Nook Logan. Ugh.
   24. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:43 PM (#1328623)
Sure it is. What's the purpose of having a minor league affiliate that isn't equipped to supply players to the major league affiliate?

Let's say A. Jones and B. Jordan suddenly go down with injuries. Or Damon and Nixon. Or Podsenik and Rowand. What options do those teams have for replacements? Are they significantly better than the O's?
   25. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:48 PM (#1328633)
Okay. How about Julio, Bigbie, and Ponson for Hollandsworth, Patterson, and Prior?

Todd Hollandsworth's available. Make us a (real) offer!

(Without looking, I can tell you that there's nothing in the Orioles system worth Mark Prior.)
   26. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:52 PM (#1328644)
Todd Hollandsworth's available. Make us a (real) offer!

In that case, pass.
   27. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:57 PM (#1328653)
Let's say A. Jones and B. Jordan suddenly go down with injuries

I don't know if the Braves have anyone to cover for Jones, however, Kelly Johnson (.319/.444/.578) would probably be an improvement over Jordan
   28. Craig in MN Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1328666)
Restovich is available on waivers from Colorado, I think. If the other options are that unappealing, they could take a flyer on him.
   29. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:07 PM (#1328686)
I agree that Mato used poor technique in that he shouldn't have wrapped his fingers around the bat. But I don't think he was attempting to bunt. He pulled the bat and his body back in an effort to avoid the ball. If you square up to bunt and the pitch comes right at you, are you going to move the bat away from your body or keep it in front of you? I think the natural reaction is to keep it in front of you.

I don't think Matos was trying to put the ball in play on that pitch, but I'd like to see a replay. Anyone know where to find on on the web?
   30. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:39 PM (#1328777)
There's gonna be a lot of disappointed petty White Sox Fans this weekend.
   31. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:42 PM (#1328788)
"Let's say A. Jones and B. Jordan suddenly go down with injuries. Or Damon and Nixon. Or Podsenik and Rowand. What options do those teams have for replacements? Are they significantly better than the O's?"

For the Braves, that PT would probably fall to Ryan Langerhans (in CF) and either Kelly Johnson, Bill McCarthy, or Andy Marte (if they moved Chipper back to LF). Both are pretty clearly better than what the O's have to offer.

For the Red Sox, we'd probably see Jay Payton full time in center, with Kevin Millar moving to a corner and Youkilis picking up the extra PT. They'd be short on backups, but that's workable.

The White Sox would be pretty well screwed at center, since you took out their top two CFs in your example. It could be any one of Timo, Everett, or Borchard, none of whom are up to snuff at that spot. They're better equipped at the corners (Gload, maybe), but clearly a cut below the BoSox, who are in turn a half-cut below the Braves.
   32. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:46 PM (#1328799)
I must admit...I was pretty annoyed when the Red Sox picked up payton in the offseason. He's a great 4th OF to have around, and a perfect backup. Of course, I have no idea if the O's could have gotten him from the Padres.
   33. David C. Jones Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:52 PM (#1328815)
I don't think this is that big a deal. Bigbie is fine as a centerfielder. Gibbons has been starting to get going the past couple of weeks, and he can play right. Newhan or Surhoff plays left, and Palmeiro plays first. For the few weeks that Sosa is out, they can use it as an opportunity to rest Lopez more by DHing him and playing Gil behind the plate. No, their lineup won't be as good, but these aren't season-ending injuries we are talking about here. It's May. The important thing right now is to keep Bedard and Cabrera pitching the way they have been.
   34. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:56 PM (#1328833)
The Red Sox still have Billy McMillon stashed away in the minors for emergencies and Chip Ambres is good enough to be a reserve.

The White Sox have Roosevelt Brown and Tony Alvarez hanging around.

As Vlad noted, the Braves have a ton of options without even mentioning that the Braves also have John Barnes. I think a Marte/Johnson/McCarthy/Langerhans/Barnes outfield is likely to outperform a Gibbons/Matos/Bigbie/Surhoff/Sosa one.
   35. Kirby Kyle Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:06 PM (#1328872)
How long before Jeff Conine returns to the O's?
   36. j.q. higgins Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:23 PM (#1328984)
i gotta say, i like the restovich option. what's the knock on him that even the d-rays or rocks wouldn't keep him around?
   37. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:27 PM (#1329018)
Todd Hollandsworth is available. Makes us an offer!

The starting RF? Are you kidding? It'll be Dubois.
   38. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:31 PM (#1329043)
Essentially, the Twins had too many outfielders, the Devil Rays had too many outfielders and players they think are outfielders, and the Rockies make decisions by casting lots for the I Ching.
   39. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:35 PM (#1329066)
To the Orioles, that is.
   40. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:36 PM (#1329079)
I always thought that the hands were "part of the bat", so getting hit on the hand was not a HBP. Kind of like in basketball they're not supposed to call a foul if you hit the player's hand while it's on the ball.
   41. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:37 PM (#1329092)
i gotta say, i like the restovich option. what's the knock on him that even the d-rays or rocks wouldn't keep him around?

He's really only had one halfway decent minor league season above the low minors (at New Britain in 2001; his Edmonton numbers in 2002 look good because of the park context but really aren't that impressive when you account for that). He doesn't really have that much power, and strikes out a lot, and because of that his OPS tends to be in the .800 range. He does get on base a fair amount, but he's not especially fast. He's a tweener; not good enough defensively to play CF, not good enough offensively to play a corner spot.

-- MWE
   42. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:43 PM (#1329128)
i gotta say, i like the restovich option. what's the knock on him that even the d-rays or rocks wouldn't keep him around?

He's really only had one halfway decent minor league season above the low minors (at New Britain in 2001; his Edmonton numbers in 2002 look good because of the park context but really aren't that impressive when you account for that). He doesn't really have that much power, and strikes out a lot, and because of that his OPS tends to be in the .800 range. He does get on base a fair amount, but he's not especially fast. He's a tweener; not good enough defensively to play CF, not good enough offensively to play a corner spot.

-- MWE
   43. Craig in MN Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:44 PM (#1329140)
Ths Twins didn't exactly have too many outfielders....they've got 4 and usually they are all in the lineup at once. The problem was that they wanted too many catchers and utility infielders. And then they wanted a lefty bat on the bench. So that put Restovich as player 27 on a 25 man roster, though he was the 5th best outfielder.
   44. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:45 PM (#1329145)
Haven't double-posted in a while. Guess that's what I get for posting from work.

-- MWE
   45. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:51 PM (#1329170)
Also, he broke his collarbone in ST, which didn't help matters.
   46. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 05:55 PM (#1329203)
I always thought that the hands were "part of the bat", so getting hit on the hand was not a HBP. Kind of like in basketball they're not supposed to call a foul if you hit the player's hand while it's on the ball.

Here's the rule:

6.08 The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when_ ...(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball; If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched. APPROVED RULING: When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance.

So it shouldn't matter if the batter's hands are on the bat. (OTOH, maybe a lot umps have adopted your interpretation.) So the issue is whether Matos was "attempting to hit" the ball. I don't think he was, but I'd like to see a replay or some photos (haven't been able to find any so far).
   47. Kurt Posted: May 11, 2005 at 06:07 PM (#1329261)
At least these injuries make the AL East interesting again. I think the Red Sox and Yankees might be back in the race now.
   48. gay guy in cut-offs smoking the objective pipe Posted: May 11, 2005 at 06:26 PM (#1329364)
Actually, I'm pretty sure the Braves would improve if two of their outfielders got hurt, as long as one of them wasn't Andruw Jones.

There's a darned good chance they'd improve even if one of them was, as that still leaves a 50% chance that one of them would be Mondesi, and I'm not sure the falloff from Jones to whoever wouldn't be so severe as to outweigh the gain from putting, someone, anyone in Mondesi's spot.
   49. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 07:12 PM (#1329697)
Here's a shocker:

The Orioles are apparently calling up Jeff Fiorentino to take Matos' roster spot. Fiorentino has 1 month of experience above short-season ball.
   50. j.q. higgins Posted: May 11, 2005 at 07:14 PM (#1329712)
maybe beattigan has started reading bp. fiorentino's pecota projections were pretty silly.
   51. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 07:18 PM (#1329749)
holy ####. I don't know if that's insanely stupid or incredibly bold. Probably some combination of the two. I think Fiorentino has a lot of upside, but still...
   52. MajorTom Posted: May 11, 2005 at 07:51 PM (#1329963)
The Rockies just traded Restovich to the Pirates for a PTBNL.
   53. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 07:53 PM (#1329971)
Hey, Pujols only had a couple games above A ball when he entered the majors, and his minor league #s weren't that much better than fiorentino's... so, in other words, Fiorentino is likely to be the next Pujols.
   54. rlc Posted: May 11, 2005 at 08:03 PM (#1330057)
The Orioles are apparently calling up Jeff Fiorentino to take Matos' roster spot.

Source? The O's radio announcers are talking about Sal Fasano being called up.
   55. Mister High Standards Posted: May 11, 2005 at 08:04 PM (#1330064)
I'm happy. I love Fiorentino, as a prospect. I was high on him since the middle of last season. I doubt he's ready but I hate the O's so I don't really want...
   56. rlc Posted: May 11, 2005 at 08:40 PM (#1330366)
there’s simply nobody who’s about average, all Hall of Famer performances (Lopez, Tejada, Mora, Roberts) or replacement level or worse (All the outfielders, Palmeiro).

Don't let Gibbons' numbers get in the way of your rant - if he's a replacement level RF, then so was Sosa.
   57. j.q. higgins Posted: May 11, 2005 at 08:52 PM (#1330420)
why in the heck would they call up fasano? i guess that would suggest putting gibbons in right, lopez at dh and switching b/w chief and fasano @ catch.

boo.
   58. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 08:56 PM (#1330450)

Don't let Gibbons' numbers get in the way of your rant - if he's a replacement level RF, then so was Sosa.


Correct, Sosa was.
   59. rlc Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:02 PM (#1330494)
Apparently you set replacement level higher than B-Pro.

I'm now seeing that Bauer was sent out to Ottawa, so there will be three players coming to Baltimore - Reed, Fasano and... Fiorentino? I haven't seen confirmation yet.
   60. rlc Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:11 PM (#1330557)
OK, they just said it on the radio. I give in.

Look for Fiorentino to go 0-3 with 2 Ks and be traded for Ice Williams.
   61. j.q. higgins Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:12 PM (#1330567)
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050511&content_id=1046450&vkey=news_bal&fext;=.jsp&c_id=bal

up on the web, too.
   62. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:14 PM (#1330571)
Don't let Gibbons' numbers get in the way of your rant - if he's a replacement level RF, then so was Sosa.

Correct, Sosa was.


Not according to BPro. And neither is Gibbons.

Sheesh...the O's could win 100 games and the world series and you'd still b**** about them.
   63. Kurt Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:19 PM (#1330603)
Sheesh...the O's could win 100 games and the world series and you'd still b**** about them.

Is there anyone around here that actually likes their team? I guess the Red Sox fans.
   64. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:21 PM (#1330610)
Is there anyone around here that actually likes their team? I guess the Red Sox fans.

Nah...I think the honeymoon is over. Foulke sucks, Wells sucks, they shoulda kept Pedro, etc.
   65. Cris E Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:34 PM (#1330690)
Is there anyone around here that actually likes their team?

I still like the Twins, especially after Rivas was benched and they cut down to three catchers.
   66. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 09:54 PM (#1330780)
Not according to BPro. And neither is Gibbons.

VORP has both Gibbons and Sosa as a whopping 4 better than replacement on offense. Factor in defense and that's run or two better at best for both of them. Or do replacement-level players have to be exactly replacement to be replacement-level?

A team with a .656 winning percentage and a major hole is still a team that could be better. This is a competitive business; any team that's not actively trying to get better is a declining team.
   67. RP Posted: May 11, 2005 at 10:04 PM (#1330813)
It's still early. If they stay at that level for the whole season they'll end up with 20-25 VORP. Not great, but it would put them in the range of guys like J. Dye and M. Stairs last year. I'm not saying the Orioles can't improve -- a good corner OF and a good 1B would be nice -- but Gibbons and Sosa are not hurting the O's.
   68. CONservative governMENt Posted: May 11, 2005 at 10:06 PM (#1330818)
Is there anyone around here that actually likes their team? I guess the Red Sox fans.

The problem is that because posters put so much of their credibility into criticizing player acquisition strategies that they are almost forced into rooting against the actual team to show that 'their' hypothetical team would be the superior version.

It's a fun way to spend your days but an awful way to be a fan of a team.
   69. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 10:41 PM (#1330895)
Is there anyone around here that actually likes their team? I guess the Red Sox fans.

I love the Cubs and I want them to succeed. If I didn't, why would I complain when they do stupid stuff?
   70. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: May 11, 2005 at 11:17 PM (#1330970)
There's gonna be a lot of disappointed petty White Sox Fans this weekend.

Are you sure it's White Sox fans who bought all those tickets to boo Sosa?

White Sox fans don't buy tickets for anything. We prefer to sit at home and complain about Jerry Reinsdorf.
   71. Walt Davis Posted: May 11, 2005 at 11:50 PM (#1331021)
The Rockies just traded Restovich to the Pirates for a PTBNL.

We've finally figured out the Pirates' strategy. They wait to see what MWE posts, then they do the opposite.
   72. Srul Itza Posted: May 12, 2005 at 12:09 AM (#1331044)
So the issue is whether Matos was "attempting to hit" the ball. I don't think he was but I'd like to see a replay or some photos (haven't been able to find any so far).

Sounds to me like a split second judgment call as to what Matos was doing. The umpire, who does not get to Tivo the at bat while making up his mind, should definitely be given the benefit of the doubt, and those who were criticizing him were off base.
   73. RP Posted: May 12, 2005 at 01:12 AM (#1331148)
Sounds to me like a split second judgment call as to what Matos was doing. The umpire, who does not get to Tivo the at bat while making up his mind, should definitely be given the benefit of the doubt, and those who were criticizing him were off base.

Oh right...b/c no one should ever criticize umpires when they make split second judgment calls.
   74. bookbook Posted: May 12, 2005 at 02:15 AM (#1331263)
I think the O's should trade for a ringer to play rf. Is A-Rod available?
   75. Marlins-in-DC (rferry) Posted: May 12, 2005 at 03:41 AM (#1331377)
A third catcher?!?
   76. DKDC Posted: May 12, 2005 at 03:58 AM (#1331398)
A third catcher means they can DH Javy more, so they can get Gil's bat in the lineup.

It makes perfect sense, I tell you.


The Fiorentino move is puzzling, but interesting. I hope he doesn't rot on the bench like Majewski did last year.

It's a little unfair to criticize the O's on their roster constrution here - Majewski and Midre Cummings are both capable OF fill-ins, and both were lost to injury in spring training.

Losing 2 starting OFs at once is a situation that very few mid-market teams are equipped to deal with.
   77. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 12, 2005 at 01:25 PM (#1331717)
Majewski was injured what, 2 months ago now? If the team is not guilty of being stupid in this situation, then they're certainly guilty of being lazy.
   78. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 12, 2005 at 01:42 PM (#1331745)
We've finally figured out the Pirates' strategy. They wait to see what MWE posts, then they do the opposite.

They shouldn't even think about trading Mark Redman for prospects at the trading deadline :)

-- MWE
   79. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 12, 2005 at 01:43 PM (#1331747)
If they wanted a backup OF, they could've just claimed Restovich themselves when TB waived him a few weeks ago.

Seriously, it's not that hard.
   80. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 12, 2005 at 01:48 PM (#1331753)
If they wanted a backup OF, they could've just claimed Restovich themselves when TB waived him a few weeks ago.

Perhaps they did. Colorado was ahead of them in the pecking order for waiver claims, because they had a worse record.

-- MWE
   81. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 12, 2005 at 01:52 PM (#1331758)
Colorado was ahead of them in the pecking order for waiver claims, because they had a worse record.

After posting, I realize that Vlad might have been talking about Baltimore claiming Restovich, not Pittsburgh. Had Baltimore filed a claim, they'd have gotten Restovich ahead of Colorado; the waiver claim order is based on inverse order of record in the same league, followed by inverse order of record in the other league. So when TB put Restovich on waivers, Baltimore > Colorado > Pittsburgh. When Colorado DFA'd Restovich, Pittsburgh would have been ahead of Baltimore.

-- MWE
   82. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: May 12, 2005 at 02:02 PM (#1331768)
"Had Baltimore filed a claim, they'd have gotten Restovich ahead of Colorado; the waiver claim order is based on inverse order of record in the same league, followed by inverse order of record in the other league."
Is this still true? I thought that, as of this year, league no longer is a consideration (just as it isn't with the Amateur draft anymore either).
   83. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: May 12, 2005 at 03:48 PM (#1331958)
How come Bonds' staph infection is considered proof of steroids usage, but Sosa's staph infection doesn't bring a mention of roids? Kevin?
   84. Marlins-in-DC (rferry) Posted: May 12, 2005 at 04:05 PM (#1331985)
Still... a third catcher is only useful if you're DHing one of them, and another has an injury or needs to be pinch-hit for in a close game. That happens, what, once a month? Maybe twice? At the very least, one of the catchers has to play a few other positions decently enough for it to make sense. I remember last year Mike Mordecai filled in for Mike Redmond and Ramon Castro did a good enough job for the Marlins to stay in the game until they lost in extra innings.
   85. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 12, 2005 at 04:06 PM (#1331988)
"After posting, I realize that Vlad might have been talking about Baltimore claiming Restovich, not Pittsburgh."

That's it exactly, Mike. Sorry for the confusion; I was responding to Dan in #79.
   86. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 12, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1331993)
"Still... a third catcher is only useful if you're DHing one of them, and another has an injury or needs to be pinch-hit for in a close game."

I think you could also swing it if your third catcher were your primary high-leverage PH, and Eddie Taubensee sort of guy. That way, there would at least be some tactical purpose for him sitting on the bench...
   87. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 12, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1331995)
and = an
   88. Boots Day Posted: May 12, 2005 at 04:20 PM (#1332013)
Is there anyone around here that actually likes their team?

The Diamondbacks fans sure seem excited about their team.

It's funny: The DBacks got off to a relatively hot start, and their fans are crowing about how much better they are than everyone thought. The White Sox got off to an even hotter start, and their fans basically said, "Eh, they're not that good."

Chicago fans have learned from experience that they should temper their excitement.
   89. RP Posted: May 12, 2005 at 04:31 PM (#1332034)
Still... a third catcher is only useful if you're DHing one of them, and another has an injury or needs to be pinch-hit for in a close game. That happens, what, once a month? Maybe twice?

Isn't this exactly why Fasano was recalled? The orioles have an excellent hitter at C and try to get him in the lineup as DH whenever he's not catching. This will happen even more often with Sosa out b/c Palmeiro and Gibbons will need to play every day. If Lopez is DHing and Gil catching, the Orioles are screwed if they want to PH for Gil late in the game. This could happen somewhat frequently over the next few weeks.

Mind you, I'm not endorsing the Fasano promotion. I'd rather have them DH Lopez less over the next few weeks and give Young some ABs, but bringing up a 3rd catcher right now is defensible.

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