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Saturday, December 09, 2006

Orioles - Signed Payton

Baltimore Orioles - Signed OF Jay Payton to a 2-year contract worth $9.75 million.

You know why this is an awesome signing?  Put simply, Jay Payton to the Orioles is a reason for celebration because it means that the Orioles didn’t get what they want.  And if there’s anything that people rooting for the Orioles should want, it’s the Orioles having their hopes and dreams being thwarted.  Payton’s below average overall in leftfield, probably near replacement when he’s not in center, but let’s be honest; this is a team that voluntarily played Brandon Fahey in left.  A team that once gave Luis Lopez 14 games at 1B and DH, a team that used Chris Gomez at 1B more often than any other position.  Replacement level is no floor for the black-and-orange.

2007 ZiPS Projection - Jay Payton
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          AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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Projection   460 65 129 23 3 11 57 25 52   3 .280 .323 .415
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Opt. (15%)  524 88 159 30 5 17 83 35 47   5 .303 .354 .477
Pes. (15%)  336 41   88 14 1   6 32 16 43   1 .262 .299 .363
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Dan Szymborski Posted: December 09, 2006 at 09:22 PM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. birdlives is one crazy ninja Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:05 PM (#2256539)
Obviously, getting Payton isn't exciting news. But sadly, what were the alternatives? Stern, Fio, Majewski? The FA OF options aren't particularly. So I guess, I like this move. Somebody has to play OF and Payton seems like the best option out of sea of flawed available players. The
   2. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:08 PM (#2256541)
Hmmm... Floyd is still out there, isn't he? He's a lot better than Payton.
   3. Raskolnikov Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:12 PM (#2256544)
If the Orioles want to trade for Shawn Green, Omar is just a phone call away ...
   4. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:13 PM (#2256547)
I wish the Orioles would make a signing every day. Then I would get to read it when Szym blew his top every day.
   5. birdlives is one crazy ninja Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:24 PM (#2256560)
Hmmm... Floyd is still out there, isn't he? He's a lot better than Payton.

Isn't Floyd a huge injury risk?
   6. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:27 PM (#2256566)
Please sign Cliff Floyd. As a Cubs fan, I want him off the market before Hendry gets feverish again and decides to toss him a 4/$28M contract.
   7. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:31 PM (#2256568)
Please sign Cliff Floyd. As a Cubs fan, I want him off the market before Hendry gets feverish again and decides to toss him a 4/$28M contract.
4/$28M? Pshaw. The Orioles once gave David Segui that contract -- and that wasn't in the current free agent market, either.
   8. Raskolnikov Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:36 PM (#2256571)
I dunno, if I were a Cub fan I would be in a numb state right now. It's like a manic on the tail end of a shopping spree - why stop now? Floyd and Huff, 50M? No problem, please charge it to my card.
   9. ColonelTom Posted: December 10, 2006 at 06:47 AM (#2256895)
Isn't Floyd a huge injury risk?


What's the worse risk - that Floyd won't play for you every day, or that Jay Payton will?
   10. Eric M. Van Posted: December 10, 2006 at 09:06 AM (#2256957)
There were plenty of alternatives. They could have trading excess young pitching for Geoff Jenkins, Matt Kemp, Marcus Thames, or Scott Hairston (heck, even Emil Brown or Jason Lane), then signed Trot Nixon (mostly to DH in the hopes it keeps him healthy) for 1 year at less guarenteed money than Payton, plus some PT incentives and a nice club option for '08. It's kind of amazing that they thought signing Payton was one of the best choices.
   11. Bmore Boy (Thailand edition) Posted: December 10, 2006 at 09:25 AM (#2256964)
I'd also take Huff as probably my favorite available OF FA. Next year Floyd is likely better, but in 3 years I'm betting it'd be Huff - ESPECIALLY compared to Payton. Younger, better than Payton even at his new lower level, chance he'll revert to his old all-star level, chance he could still be good when the O's are (haha, I think the O's can be good someday), all in all better for the team in every way. Maybe they thought they couldn't get him, but jeez, payton? I'd rather just about anything over yet another 'vet' teetering at the cliff - the O's speciality.
   12. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: December 10, 2006 at 03:28 PM (#2257012)
Actually, I think they ignored Huff because they felt they needed a RH bat. They are extraordinarily weak against lefties.
   13. fables of the deconstruction Posted: December 10, 2006 at 08:59 PM (#2257229)
Actually, I think they ignored Huff because they felt they needed a RH bat. They are extraordinarily weak against lefties.

GtwMA,

I've been an Orioles fan since the Senators left Washington in 1971. I've never been more depressed or distressed about the their 'ability to compete' than I am right now. Although it'll probably take a Detroit Tigers like 2003 debacle before they learn that 'short term expediency always fails in the long term.'

The signing of Jay Payton to a 2 year contract is just "déjà vu all over again." We've seen this same 'picture show' too many times over the past 9 seasons to really expect a different result this time. David Segui, Marty Cordova, B.J. Surhoff, Jeff Conine, etc... etc... etc... Throw in Melvin Mora's extension signed early last season and it just demonstrates the Orioles have no real plan to improve their weaknesses, just a ouija board and a tremendous amount of wish-casting. Their Peter Angelos disease is edemic. Removing the pathogen will begin to effect a cure. Otherwise the patient dies.

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   14. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: December 10, 2006 at 09:28 PM (#2257245)
Marcus Thames could be had in a trade, but definitely not for 'excess young pitching.'
   15. Bwef Posted: December 11, 2006 at 01:17 AM (#2257470)
Chirs Snelling could probably be pried away from the Mariners for an excess starting pitcher. Maybe the move would change his karma and Baltimore's
   16. AROM Posted: December 11, 2006 at 01:23 AM (#2257474)
One of the things the Tigers would want for Thames, but the O's don't have, is a lefty hitting outfielder.

So a 3 way trade could work here. Pitcher (Benson?) to Seattle, Snelling to Detroit, Thames to Baltimore.
   17. Good cripple hitter Posted: December 11, 2006 at 02:05 AM (#2257496)
Before the Soriano trade, I would've said something like "There's no way that Bavasi would trade Doyle for Benson", but now all I can say is I hope that Flanagan can't put a dozen spicy chicken fingers in his mouth. Cause if he can, the M's are screwed.

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