Padres - Acquired Randa, Ponson
San Diego Padres - Acquired 3B Joe Randa from the Cincinnati Reds for two minor leaguers not named as of yet; acquired P Sidney Ponson from the Baltimore Orioles for 1B Phil Nevin.
The Padres believe that Nady’s best position is first base and this swap of problem players clears the fast-declining Nevin out of the way. Ponson will be in the rotation with Eaton still hurt and is likely to push Stauffer out if and when everybody’s healthy. The Padres are certainly getting damaged goods, and they know it - Ponson has been pitching with a torn labrum for a few years under the Todd Stottlemyre Ignore It and Hope it Goes Away rehabilitation plan. I’m guessing that the fact that Ponson’s stuff is about as potent nowadays as Al Leiter’s is all a coincidence.
The best realistic use of Nevin is to split time at DH with Gibbons unless the Orioles blink when/if Nevin balks at becoming a part-time player. I’d actually prefer Gibbons platooning in right with Sosa, but the chances of the Orioles actually admitting that Sosa’s no better than a random AAA outfielder at this point are pretty long. The Orioles are now a pretty good bet to be in the race for pretty much every starter available; they’re not going to go down the stretch with a Lopez-Bedard-Chen-Cabrera-Penn rotation even if the Burnett trade’s really dead.
Then there’s the Randa trade. This looks to be done and if so, it’s a pretty interesting trade in that it means that the Padres are throwing in the towel on Sean Burroughs this season. Randa’s not looked up long-term, so there’s still a chance that Burroughs starts 2006 as the 3B again, but I’m betting that he’s traded over the winter.
This also saves the Reds some pain - there was some talk about re-signing Randa and leaving Edwin Encarnacion to rot, which was a phenomenally bad idea, even worse than the Let’s Tell Austin Kearns He’s Never Coming Back to Improve His Confidence plan.
2005 ZiPS Projection - Joe Randa
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Period AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
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Actual ‘05 332 44 96 26 1 13 48 33 52 0 .289 .356 .491
Rest ‘05 210 26 57 14 1 5 29 19 32 0 .271 .338 .419
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Total ‘05 542 70 153 40 2 18 77 52 84 0 .282 .349 .463
2005 ZiPS Projection - Sidney Ponson
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Period W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA
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Actual ‘05 7 8 19 19 113 151 76 12 44 62 6.04
Rest ‘05 5 4 13 13 80 82 37 6 27 50 4.16
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Total ‘05 12 12 32 32 193 233 113 18 71 112 5.29
2005 ZiPS Projection - Phil Nevin
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Period AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
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Actual ‘05 271 31 71 11 1 9 47 17 65 1 .262 .303 .410
Rest ‘05 184 27 53 9 0 8 35 18 42 0 .288 .351 .467
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Total ‘05 455 58 124 20 1 17 82 35 107 1 .273 .323 .433
Dan Szymborski
Posted: July 23, 2005 at 06:24 PM |
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1. crws Posted: July 23, 2005 at 06:34 PM (#1493799)I think these deals have a good chance to help the Padres short-term and get them the 87 wins they need. Of course, they might only need 82.
A good trade for the Reds, if true. Germano is nothing more than a fifth starter, but Travis Chick would immediately become the club's No. 2 pitching prospect. Jul. 23 - 2:38 pm et
Source: The Sporting News
Just to avoid his pronunciation of Rafael's name.
"Pal-meeeeee-YEAR-o"
Not a bad haul for Cincinnati, for a guy they were better off getting rid of to let Encarnacion play anyway.
I agree with #1 that this should at least get them near 87 wins
Well, Astacio probably sucks now, but he has a career 99 ERA+, was decent to good for the Rox, and has had 4 full seasons with an ERA+ over 110. Not teh suck.
I think if they signed Jose Rijo, he'd immediately be the Reds No. 2 pithing prospect.
:D
That said, I would not have given up Chick AND Germano for Randa. Dan O'Brien may be as dumb as the BPro guys say, but I think he leveraged Randa nicely here. I think I would have stuck Nady at 3b and given Fick/Sweeney some time at 1b against righthanders, or just put Nady at 1b and benched Nevin. .303/.410 is not acceptable at 1b, period, even in PETCO.
I don't know the answer either. Jeromy Burnitz is right around 1500. Mike Sweeney & Phil Nevin are both over 1000 games.
Sean Burroughs career slugging pct is .362
Randa was a great pickup for the Reds--he is a fantastic 3rd baseman & has had a damn good year at the plate. That said, I'm thrilled that O'Brien dealt him. I'm excited to see Encarnacion play everyday for the next 2 months.
As mentioned previously, that's not high praise.
Also, this is the second time Chick has been traded in a year and the third organization of his career at age 21. I have no evidence to back this up, but I have a feeling that guys traded twice at such a young age rarely live up to expectations, perhaps because there is a hidden flaw that only their organizations can perceive through close and constant interaction.
BA had Chick as the Pads #4 prospect entering the season. I seem to remember the Pads thinking they had stolen him from Florida. Maybe they've changed their tune - if the Pads thought he was still their #4 guy, I doubt he AND A SECOND PLAYER would be shipped out for a mediocre rent-a-bat.
As far as guys traded twice when young, Tony Armas Jr. is the only one I can think of.
Can't they split time between DH and LF? Or do they both suck defensively?
The great Jose Rijo was traded twice by age 22.
Jeromy Burnitz 1519
Joe Randa 1375
Bobby Higginson 1362
Mike Sweeney 1098
Phil Nevin 1056
Carlos Delgado 1517
And Tim Birtsas!
That's funny; I don't find it hard at all, especially since they almost did it last year.
Another player who hasn't been mentioned is Damion Easley, who's played in 1383 games with no playoffs. (He's on the Marlins now, in case you thought he retired after being waived by the Devil Rays)
Eric Young would be in the lead if not for the Rockies' 1995 season. Oh well, another piece of history Eric Young is cheated out of.
I know it's just the internet and all, but still.
As bad as Nevin's been in 2005, I really don't see how this deal helps given the torn labrum. If Ponson wasn't hurt, then the only question is if replacing Stauffer with Ponson is an improvement.
Better the Padres than TWINT, says I.
Not hard at all.
1-2 vs ATL, 2-4 vs PHI, 1-3 vs SD - all of which are a good bet to be in the postseason.
Lou Piniella was traded twice by age 22, plus he was expansion drafted. Then he was expansion drafted again and traded again. Then and only then did he win Rookie of the Year.
Also, mlb.com mentioned in their right up that Chick was in contention for an MLB spot with the Pads as a reliever, not a starter. I understand bringing up a young kid with good stuff to start in the bullpen but is there anything to be read into here?
Funny that Segui would hold any kind of longevity record. That dude can't take a crap 5 consecutive times without falling off the toilet seat & pulling one of his 394812 hamstrings.
True... what the O's need is players still in their twenties. They should be trying to pry Dunn and/or Kearns from the Reds and maybe Overbay from the Brewers. Just to name three who may (or may not) be available for trade. Also a 20 something catcher with a little upside wouldn't be too bad either. The best thing about this possible prospect is that it banishes Ponson whom has quite overstayed his welcome. Sorta like Sammy Soso in Chi-town last year... And Baltimore beyond the end of the World Series.
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Lou Piniella was traded twice by age 22, plus he was expansion drafted. Then he was expansion drafted again and traded again. Then and only then did he win Rookie of the Year.
Bobby Abreu was expansion drafted and traded at age 23.
Haha. Yeah. The Phillies in the postseason.
Yeah, but it was all one deal.
They're three games back of the wild card, and a lot of people are expecting the Natspos to spiral downwards for the rest of the season. A lot of teams are roughly three games back, though...
Well sort of.
Randa was not a bad move for a team that can afford the prospects. MIN is that team, but now they're in the position where the market is shrinking and they need a bat more than ever.
Terry Ryan gambled that his boys were pulling out of their funk without a big ticket addition. But after the weekend's relapse in Detroit where players are openly pleading for a hitter and Gardy is sounding done with the Boone Experiment he's got to get something done this week.
Hello Shea Hillenbrand, goodbye lots of young arms.
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