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Friday, June 10, 2005

Padres - Acquired Valdez

San Diego Padres - Acquired IF Wilson Valdez from the Seattle Mariners for P Mike Bumstead and P R.D. Spiehs

That’s got to be depressing.  Imagine waking up one morning and hearing your manager tell you were part of a trade for Wilson Valdez.

Neither of the two pitchers are prospects, just good organizational guys.  But truth be told, I rather have the organizational arms than a spare Jesse Garcia.  Pretty much all the Beaver infielders (Furmaniak, Garcia, Barfield, Scales, Bozied) are probably more useful to a major league team at this point than Valdez.

Dan Szymborski Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:30 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. VG Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:06 AM (#1394293)
Bumstead ruined his career with those huge sandwiches.
   2. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:34 AM (#1394400)
He must've POed Pitching Coach Dithers.
   3. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:44 AM (#1394429)
When I saw the headline, I thought it was Ismael. Who is Wilson Valdez?
   4. VG Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:52 AM (#1394450)
Imagine waking up one morning and hearing your manager tell you were part of a trade for Wilson Valdez.

Come to think of it, that happened last year, too. The Marlins traded Valdez to the White Sox for Billy Koch and cash, the latter representing the only value to the Marlins.
   5. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: June 10, 2005 at 03:12 AM (#1394475)
Gagne_55, that's what I thought too. I've never heard of any of these players.
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 10, 2005 at 04:28 AM (#1394553)
The fact that Wilson Valdez has started 39 games at shortstop for the Mariners this season without anybody noticing speaks volumes about the quality of his play...
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 10, 2005 at 04:29 AM (#1394556)
His 2005 offensive line, is you haven't seen it:

.198/.235/.254
   8. VG Posted: June 10, 2005 at 04:34 AM (#1394566)
vortex, and he's not the worst former White Sox on the Mariners this year, as Miguel Olivo was even worse -- .145/.174/.236 in 37 games and 110 at-bats -- till he got sent down.
   9. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 10, 2005 at 04:58 AM (#1394579)
vortex, and he's not the worst former White Sox on the Mariners this year, as Miguel Olivo was even worse -- .145/.174/.236 in 37 games and 110 at-bats -- till he got sent down.

Kenny Williams is a genius.
   10. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 10, 2005 at 06:43 AM (#1394606)
" Miguel Olivo was even worse -- .145/.174/.236 in 37 games and 110 at-bats -- till he got sent down."

Weren't there people who were mad that Kenny Williams traded him for Freddy Garcia at the time?
   11. The Ancient Mariner Posted: June 10, 2005 at 06:54 AM (#1394608)
"Weren't there people who were mad that Kenny Williams traded him for Freddy Garcia at the time?"

Yes, but most of them were M's fans.

As for Wilson Valdez, he's your classic good-field no-hit SS; Seattle picked him up as a poor man's Pokey Reese, and that's about what he's been.
   12. Tiboreau Posted: June 10, 2005 at 07:57 AM (#1394624)
"Weren't there people who were mad that Kenny Williams traded him for Freddy Garcia at the time?"

Yes, but most of them were M's fans.


Actually, most of them were White Sox fans, TAM. At the time of the trade Olivo had 102 OPS+, and Miguel's departure left them with Sandy Alomar Jr. (55 OPS+) and the newly acquired Ben Davis (69).

M's fans were cautiously optimistic that Olivo would finally be a replacement for Dan Wilson, relegating him to the much more appropriate role of defensive replacement.
   13. jsandman32 Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:17 PM (#1394663)
The Mariners also got Jeremy Reed in the trade for Garcia.

At the time it was considered a great trade for the M's.
   14. Gromit45 Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:39 PM (#1394745)
You can smell the pennant flag now!
   15. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:56 PM (#1394760)
"Yes, but most of them were M's fans."

Looking over the trade thread from last year, there were a few Sox fans who were broken up over Olivio.

Here's the thread.
   16. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: June 10, 2005 at 03:09 PM (#1394869)
I don't think any Ms fan expected Olivo to be the bust that he has been.

He's hitting .143/.217/.429 in AAA. That's the worst on the team (except for some player who has had 4 ABs and has yet to hit.)
   17. SMK Posted: June 10, 2005 at 03:35 PM (#1394933)
Don't forget, the M's also got Mike Morse in the trade, who was recently called up (and the reason Valdez was DFA'd) and has been playing a solid SS. In 8 games he's .318/.400/.409.
   18. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 10, 2005 at 04:21 PM (#1395117)
The M's also got some Jeremy Reed dude who's supposed to be a decent prospect...
   19. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: June 10, 2005 at 05:11 PM (#1395289)
Yeah, Olivo was considered to be the least of the players the Mariners got in that deal. He hasn't panned out for them, but he was an intruiging throw-in - the centerpiece was Reed.

Sox fans were upset about moving Olivo more than Reed because Olivo was doing a fairly good job before he was traded and the move left their catching situation in dire straits, as Tiboreau said.

The White Sox do have a lot of outfielders in their system - Reed was eminently tradeable. The one guy the Sox will probably end up missing in the long run is Morse.
   20. Free Seop Choi! Posted: June 10, 2005 at 06:05 PM (#1395438)
poor man's Pokey Reese


Is there such a thing?
   21. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: June 10, 2005 at 06:12 PM (#1395467)
Those hindsight threads are fun. I liked MGL's post:

Just swapping Olivo for Garcia alone is a terrible, terrible move for the WS. That's what stupid teams (e.g., WS) who have no concept of how to evaluate players or trades do - they make stupid trades like that and don't know that they made a bad one, becasue they literally have no "tools" to be able to evaluate the actual worth of Garcia, Olivo, Alomar, etc.
   22. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: June 10, 2005 at 06:21 PM (#1395511)
I'm starting to think that the trade itself was what screwed up Olivo. He had a pretty fragile psyche to begin with, and getting traded might have screwed him up permanently. I remember reading that he wept when he found out.

I have no idea how the Mariners are at nurturing young talent or whether they're in any way to blame for Olivo's downfall, but it's pretty clear that Olivo's derailment happened right after he went there.

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