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Thursday, December 07, 2006

Phillies - Acquired Garcia

Philadelphia Phillies - Acquired P Freddy Garcia from the Chicago White Sox for P Gio Gonzalez and P Gavin Floyd.

When you’re an OK National League team, you’re always in a win-now situation, it seems.  The Phils cash in two prospects, one promising, one disappointing, for an extra starter to eat innings.  By my accounts, the Phillies now have to many starters for the rotation, so look for them to trade one (Lieber?) or convince one of them that they would totally prefer to be a reliever.  The White Sox look to have a Buehrle/Contreras/Garland/Vazquez/McCarthy rotation next year, assuming that they don’t trade Jon Garland to one of the rumored teams.  Gonzalez still has good upside, but he’s not near ready yet and while Floyd should be a major-league calibre pitcher by now, it hasn’t clicked for him (and possibly never will).

2007 ZiPS Projections
Player     W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
Floyd     6 12 30 28 173 199 118 32 82 100 6.14
Garcia   13 11 32 32 214 211 103 26 59 166 4.33
Gonzalez   6 13 26 26 147 164 110 38 85 113 6.73


Dan Szymborski Posted: December 07, 2006 at 09:11 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 07, 2006 at 10:15 PM (#2254736)
Decent trade for the White Sox. I like that they got young pitching as opposed to mediocre veterans for him.
   2. Zac Schmitt Posted: December 07, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2254820)
i like this trade for philly, too. trading talent for unrealized talent is a good bet in my opinion. although i don't imagine there's a great chance that garcia will be the piece which pushes them over the top or anything, the pitching excess he creates leaves room to trade someone for even more pieces. having more options is a good thing - now, whether floyd and gonzalez could've nabbed someone better/younger than garcia is up for debate. i think it's a pretty good realization of their combined value, though.
   3. Honkie Kong Posted: December 08, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2254918)
a bit too much for a one year rental!

Floyd looks like a classic case of change of scenery rejuvenates career guy. And Gonzalez, I like him. The last thing lefty power arms get is the control, and thats what is holding him back from the major leagues.
   4. Dr. Vaux Posted: December 08, 2006 at 01:51 AM (#2254972)
That's a very low ERA for Garcia in CBP. It could be a run higher.
   5. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 08, 2006 at 02:30 AM (#2255005)
Goodnight, funnyman.

Garcia was born 87 years after the previous White Sox to win a Series-clinching game.
   6. St.Philly Posted: December 08, 2006 at 03:12 AM (#2255060)
That's a very low ERA for Garcia in CBP. It could be a run higher

What makes pitching in CBP harder than pitching in US Cellular?
   7. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: December 08, 2006 at 03:39 AM (#2255106)
What makes pitching in CBP harder than pitching in US Cellular?

Vaux just enjoys trashing Garcia at every corner. It's his thing.
   8. stealfirstbase Posted: December 08, 2006 at 04:16 AM (#2255158)
I should add, once more, that I think the trade was fair, but I would have liked the Sox to fill one more hole when trading a "name" guy like Garcia, who actually might be really good in the NL next year. Picking up Rowand would be a longshot, but how about gettting Castro back? That way KW could focus all his efforts onto reacquiring Haigwood, and reassembling all the lefties we lost in 2005.

Shame we just lost Jay Marshall, though, not that he's anything special. I guess I know who KW will be trading for next year.

Decent trade for the White Sox. I like that they got young pitching as opposed to mediocre veterans for him.

Agreed. This was my big worry. This package is acceptable and fills a need--good young players--and has high upside. Like I said above, though, I think it's a piece short.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: December 09, 2006 at 10:38 PM (#2256627)
The Phillies gave up too much potential for a one-year rental, but given it's all potential, there's still a good chance this works out to their benefit. Perfectly fine trade from the Sox perspective -- an expensive guy they didn't really need (though they'll wish they had him when someone gets hurt) for a lot of potential. I'm not sure how much service time Floyd has but it doesn't look like much. The point being, the Sox probably get 10-11 years worth of these two for 1 year of Garcia. Since they don't have much need for Garcia, it's hard to see this trade coming back and biting them in the ass. That's always a nice position to be in.

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