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Friday, December 02, 2005

Phillies - Signed Gordon

Philadelphia Phillies - Signed P Tom Gordon to a 3-year, $18 million contract.

The Phillies hired Pat Gillick to win now, not later.  Gordon still has something left in his arm - he still pitched well despite 2005 being the first time he struck out less than a batter an inning since 1998.  He’s got some Ks to spare, however, and his arm has been relatively healthy the last few years.  The odds of the Phillies being happy with this trade in 2006 are quite good.  If they get 2 good seasons out of Gordon, a definite possibility, even if his arm goes in the last year of his contract, they can just pretend that it was a 2-year, $18 million contract.  In a month on the job, Trader/Stand Pat has figured out how to do something Ed Wade couldn’t in the better part of a decade - get good relievers in the offseason so you don’t have to trade for mediocre relievers during.

I noticed that in the Jayson Stark report on the signing, he’s called the “Phillie Phlash” in the headline.  Please, Jayson, if you’re reading this, I’m guessing your editor picked that, but please, please punch the guy in the face for me.  If you get in trouble, it’ll be OK - just tell them some guy on the internet told you to do it.

2006 ZiPS Projection - Tom Gordon
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W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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8   3 77   0 80   60   29   6 32 83 3.26

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:24 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. I can't believe we're playing Francoeur(KevinHess) Posted: December 02, 2005 at 08:04 AM (#1756325)
The Phillies didn't hire Pat Gillick to win now, not later.


?
   2. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 02, 2005 at 08:09 AM (#1756326)
The Phillies didn't hire Pat Gillick to win now, not later.

I agree. The Phillies have no interest in winning, either now or later.
   3. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: December 02, 2005 at 08:39 AM (#1756351)
?

Can we call that line a "Phillie Phlub?"

Dan, punch away.
   4. The District Attorney Posted: December 02, 2005 at 08:42 AM (#1756352)
And if the people don't want to come to the park, Gillick can't stop them.
   5. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: December 02, 2005 at 09:02 AM (#1756353)
Gordon still has a phew good years left him- 3, phor sure. Ever since he phorgot about his curve and stuck with the phastball, Gordon phound success. He still pitches phast, and now that Torre isn't phlogging him, he should phix whatever phelled him late last year.
   6. SABRJoe Posted: December 02, 2005 at 09:31 AM (#1756355)
I seriously read that opening sentence five times in a row to try and understand it. You can imagine my relief I wasn't going crazy when I saw the comments...
   7. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 02, 2005 at 12:56 PM (#1756377)
OK, it makes more sense now, I think. I should avoid posting things that late.
   8. PhillyBooster Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:40 PM (#1756384)
The Phillie Phlash is a zero-emission funny-shaped purple bus that will take you as a tourist around to the major tourist sites in historic Philadelphia for a fixed price.

I'm not sure of the connection.
   9. PhillyBooster Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:43 PM (#1756385)
Here's a picture. Only $1 a ride. Good deal.

TOm Gordon could ride in 18 million times.
   10. Artie Ziff Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:02 PM (#1756393)
Seems like a pretty fair deal for both parties. I am surprised Gordon did not ask or get a fourth season.
   11. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:05 PM (#1756394)
(phorget) jayson stark
   12. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:51 PM (#1756409)
I'm a bit perplexed about that projection. He's supposed to strike out more, walk about the same, and see his ERA jump by 0.7? I'd guess the ERA is about right, but I suspect that the Ks will continue to decline, and that he'll be rather more homerific pitching in a home park that has a short porch in center field. And after a few bombs and the inevitable boos, he'll start nibbling and the walks will go up too.

And btw, Gordon hasn't phorgotten his curve. Actually used it more last year, and to phine ephect phor the most part.
   13. Johnny Zen Posted: December 02, 2005 at 03:16 PM (#1756427)
Arg. Three guaranteed years. What are the odds he goes Mike Jackson on us?

I still have a hard time believing Wagner's assertion about the Phillies mid-season approach. I mean there are really no limits to Ed Wade's futility, but shouldn't someone around him have realized what was going to happen?
   14. Spiritualized Posted: December 02, 2005 at 03:45 PM (#1756459)
Does anybody know what the Phillies received in draft picks from the Wagner signing, and lost from the Gordon/Nunez/Fasano signings.

(I'm just kidding about Fasano)
   15. rollers333 Posted: December 02, 2005 at 04:19 PM (#1756502)
Wagner and Gordon are both type A free agents, so the Phils lose their 1st rd pick, but get the Met's 1st pick and a compensation pick after the 1st rd. Nunez is a type C free agent, so the Cards get a compensation pick between the 2nd and 3rd rounds...

Here's the complete list:
Free Agent Compensation List
   16. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 02, 2005 at 04:25 PM (#1756509)
I think Gordon's ERA will be close to 4 next year. From 98 to 02 he average just over 46 innings a year. Then, at 35-38 he's pitching over 81 a year while in the last year he saw a loss of about 2 K/9, an increase of about 1 BB/9, and his HR rate went higher than it had been in at least the last 4 years...and according to THT it should have beeen even higher. Add in his .234 BABIP last year and at least legitimate health concerns with his shoulder and age, and I think this is a pretty bad signing. Thanks Tom for giving us 2 closer quality years, but I'm glad we're getting a 1st round pick instead of signing you.
   17. Dewey, Crackpot and Soupuss Posted: December 02, 2005 at 05:13 PM (#1756587)
And to think, two years ago, Kenny Williams got a year out of Gordon (plus a draft pick when he left for the Yankees) for $1.4 Million.
   18. Spiritualized Posted: December 02, 2005 at 05:22 PM (#1756599)
Don't see that the Phillies had much choice in signing Gordon, other than promoting Madson?
   19. Put it on the Board... Posted: December 02, 2005 at 05:24 PM (#1756601)
Do I misunderstand- will Phlash close or set up for the Phils next year? I would guess he is better suited to the latter role.
   20. Rodder Posted: December 02, 2005 at 05:27 PM (#1756607)
On my first trip to Philly, I remember standing under the big purple Philly Phlash sign thinking how convenient it would be to get around. Then, over the next 40 minutes I had three Phlash buses, all nearly empty, drive by me without even slowing down. I eventually just walked the two miles. They did look nice and purpley though.
   21. Uncle Willy Posted: December 02, 2005 at 05:34 PM (#1756619)
Steven King wrote a book "The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon" about a young girl who was a Red Sox fan and got lost in the woods. Listening to Sox games and the exploits of Gordon helped her with the will to carry on.

So Gordon has that going for him, which is nice.

The book was weird, like much of King's stuff. But it was relatively short and a decent read.
   22. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:19 PM (#1756706)
Steven King wrote a book "The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon" about a young girl who was a Red Sox fan and got lost in the woods. Listening to Sox games and the exploits of Gordon helped her with the will to carry on.

i wonder if that title & plot element, combined with reading about the gordon deal before going to bed last night, are the reason i dreamed this a.m. about meeting king (whose stuff i've been reading for 25 years now) here at the store?

probably not ...
   23. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:24 PM (#1756720)
Calling it here:

Yankees will not make the playoffs in 2006.
   24. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:25 PM (#1756726)
So, Larry, how many Decembers in a row have you made that call now?
   25. The Original SJ Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:27 PM (#1756729)
6 home runs? in Philly? No way.
   26. The Original SJ Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:32 PM (#1756742)
It all depends on how the kids do Larry. Would you have thought Brendan Donnelly would have been a lights out reliever in 2002? And besides, I would rather have them miss the playoffs this year than see a repeat of last year. Signing anyone that will take our money and whatnot.

Keep your head up.
   27. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: December 02, 2005 at 08:19 PM (#1757003)
So, Larry, how many Decembers in a row have you made that call now?

Counting this time... one.
   28. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: December 02, 2005 at 08:23 PM (#1757012)
Red Sox are better. Indians will be better, White Sox won't be much worse, Angels will be as good, A's will be better. Yanks got worse.

No playoffs.
   29. Morph Posted: December 02, 2005 at 10:38 PM (#1757310)
How the hell would you know if the Red Sox are better? There is still way too much uncertainity about this off season in general to be making those kinds of blanket statements. The Damon/Manny situation still needs to be resolved. The A's could trade Zito. Larry, I enjoy your work enormously but how about some optimism?

[ Runs up to friend] Yankee fan: Guess what?

Friend: What?

Yankee fan: We got Farnsworth!

They pause for a moment.

Friend + Yankee fan: All the way! All the way! All the way!

Cue chessy early 90's music.

Major League 2... good times.
   30. PhillyBooster Posted: December 02, 2005 at 11:38 PM (#1757417)
Bizarrely, while the Yankees made the playoffs by about a one or two game margin, and losing Gordon may cost them the playoffs, the Phillies missed the playoffs by a one or two game margin, and signing Gordon won't get them there.
   31. Honkie Kong Posted: December 02, 2005 at 11:46 PM (#1757428)
Well Philly, Gordon is replacing quite a good tandem of Urbina/Wagner, so the gains there might be minimal, while depending on who the Yankees replace him with, their losses might be a bit more!
And ofcourse, the phillies are in the same division as the Braves..
   32. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 03, 2005 at 02:56 AM (#1757601)
Calling it here:

Yankees will not make the playoffs in 2006.


Due respect, this is a stupid call to make in December for any team. What will the Red Sox do with Manny? Who knows what will happen before the season begins? The Yankees got A-Rod around Valentine's Day 2004, after all. 6 weeks of offseason is hardly enough to make a judgement
   33. Dr. Vaux Posted: December 03, 2005 at 03:33 AM (#1757642)
[bold]Kansas City Royals[/bold] Posted: December 02, 2005 at 9:33 PM (#1757608)

any team?
   34. chris p Posted: December 03, 2005 at 03:45 AM (#1757663)
this makes the phillies favorites to win the world series. brilliant move.
   35. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 03, 2005 at 03:48 AM (#1757669)
[bold]Kansas City Royals[/bold] Posted: December 02, 2005 at 9:33 PM (#1757608)

any team?


Well, formatting issues aside: Touche.

That would probably also work for Colorado, Tampa Bay Cincinnati, and, most of all, Florida.

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