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Friday, December 12, 2008

Phillies - Signed Ibanez for Some Reason

Philadelphia Phillies - Signed LF Raul Ibanez to a 3-year, $30 million contract.

So, they give up the draft pick that they could have gotten for Burrell, give up one of their own for Ibanez in order to not risk having a better, younger, player signed for a less risky amount of time but make a couple million more?

That’s awesome.

The change in league and park will really benefit Ibanez and mask his decline, but a non-star’s 37-39 seasons isn’t exactly something you should be downgrading your team for because the downside is significant.  Not a lot of players make Pat Burrell look like Darin Erstad in the outfielder, but the Phillies found one.  Say what you will about Phans, but they’ll certainly give Ibanez an earful if this idea goes poorly, which the odds say will.

ZiPS Projection - Raul Ibanez (LF)
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          AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   SO SB   BA OBP SLG OPS+
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2009       579 76 165 39   3 21 100 57   98   0 .285 .350 .472 109
2010       572 71 157 38   3 20   97 53   97   0 .274 .335 .456 102
2011       511 61 134 31   2 17   88 46   89   0 .262 .324 .431   92
—————————————————————————————————————-
Top Comps:  Paul O’Neill, B.J. Surhoff

ODDIBE

Offense %
STAR   25
AVG   60
REP LV 92

OPS+  %    OBP   %    3B     %    Hits   %
>160   0     >.400   3     >10   2     >200   1
>140   3     >.375   17     >5     24     >150   82
>130   9     >.350   52
>120   22     >.325   84     2B     %
>110   45     >.300   97     >45   23
>100   69               >30   81
>90   87
>80   96
>60   100

BA     %    SLG   %    HR     %    SB     %
>.350   0     >.550   4     >50   0     >70   0
>.325   5     >.500   22     >40   0     >50   0
>.300   24     >.450   63     >30   6     >30   0
>.275   63     >.400   94     >20   54     >10   0
>.250   88     >.350   100   >10   100


(Based on Projected PA)

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 12, 2008 at 05:41 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. rawagman Posted: December 12, 2008 at 06:23 PM (#3027539)
In a vacuum, I like the signing. But not being in Hooverville, they would have been much better off in at-least offering Burrell arbitration first.
I think the positives here are a good player who is signed to reasonable dollars for three years with the negative being an old man who must play the field sucking up $10M for three years with declining production and no 1st round pick to replenish their system this year.
The positives of having Burrell would have been very similar, with the added positive of maybe getting an extra 1st/2nd rounder plus compensation pick if he refused and the deal only being one year if he accepted.

A real head scratcher.
   2. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 12, 2008 at 06:27 PM (#3027550)
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   3. Rodder Posted: December 12, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#3027556)
Alt-164 for those who didñ't kñow.
   4. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 12, 2008 at 06:37 PM (#3027563)
I really hate rooting against the guy who made my guitar...
   5. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#3027685)
I have no idea what #2 is.

Less importantly, better the Phils than the Cubs.
   6. Darnell McDonald had a farm Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:37 PM (#3027712)
This transaction made me Laugh Out Loud

If this is really the best thing the defending WS champs could have done with $30M we are doomed as a nation-state. They could have bought every Philly resident a small trophy instead and it would have made more sense.
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:41 PM (#3027723)
I have no idea what #2 is.

The man's name is Ibañez.
   8. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#3027726)
Just having the Braves not sign him would have been great enough but this is pretty awesome.
   9. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#3027727)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
   10. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:45 PM (#3027730)
The man's name is Ibañez.

If this is going to be a new rule, I say we just ban Czechs from ever playing MLB and get it over with. I'm not dealing with that ####.
   11. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:48 PM (#3027735)
If this is going to be a new rule, I say we just ban Czechs from ever playing MLB and get it over with. I'm not dealing with that ####.

Forget the Czechs. What of the Japanese?
   12. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 12, 2008 at 08:51 PM (#3027742)
Forget the Czechs. What of the Japanese?

Bisher was right!!!!!!!!!!!
   13. Padraic Posted: December 12, 2008 at 09:44 PM (#3027825)
So obviously confusing there's nothing really to say. Helps the team, but in about the least amount possible for someone of Ibanez's skill-set.

At least the defense won't be a big deal in CBP.
   14. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: December 12, 2008 at 11:18 PM (#3027944)
Well, if we're going to get all technical, it's Ibáñez...without the accent, it would be pronounced ee-bahn-YES
   15. *BaseClogger* Posted: December 12, 2008 at 11:43 PM (#3027978)
The Ramon Hernandez trade!
   16. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney) Posted: December 13, 2008 at 02:11 AM (#3028123)
Any chance of an Oracle on the Punto signing?
   17. TOLAXOR Posted: December 13, 2008 at 02:41 AM (#3028144)
QUICK QUESTION, WHO WILL BE MORE PRODUCTIVE, IBANEZ IN TWO YEARS OR JAMIE MOYER IN TWO YEARS WHEN HE'S 48???!!!
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   18. Nasty Nate Posted: December 13, 2008 at 02:53 AM (#3028153)
Would Burrell have made more than $12 million in arb if he accepted?
Is it possible the Phils didn't offer him arbitration as a personal favor so he would be more attractive to other teams?
   19. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: December 13, 2008 at 08:22 AM (#3028280)
Is it possible the Phils didn't offer him arbitration as a personal favor so he would be more attractive to other teams?

No, it most assuredly is not.

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