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Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Phils - Acquired Lee

Philadelphia Phillies - Acquired P Cliff Lee from the Cleveland Indians for P Carlos Carrasco, P Jason Knapp, C Lou Marson, and SS Jason Donald

Something like this was almost considered a fait accompli after the Halladay-to-Philly trade fell through.  Lee’s not the pitcher that Halladay is, but the Indians still fared pretty decently in the trade.

From the Phils standpoint, they’re almost definitely a playoff team, but with a rotation that hasn’t been scaring anyone this season.  Lee instantly becomes the go-to guy for the Phillies and even if they gave up some interesting prospects with upside, they can be happy that they got to hang onto Michael Taylor and Kyle Drabek.

Carrasco’s still an excellent prospect at a position the Indians sorely need, though he’s still prone to have games where he leaves everything hanging.  The ERA for Lehigh Valley doesn’t look great at first glance, but he’s still dominating hitters when he’s on and doing it with a B+ fastball and if he puts it all together, will be a solid mid-rotation pitcher for the Indians.  Donald’s stock has dropped a lot this season, but he’s still a prospect and worth keeping an eye on.  Knapp is a pitcher the Indians really wanted and I think he has the highest upside of anyone in the trade, a solidly-built hard thrower who has dominated the Sally League this season.  Marson’s a very good defensive catcher who walks a lot, but he really needs to hit for more power unless he wants to be a rich man’s Mark Johnson.

Reasonable trade for both sides as they both accomplish what they needed to here.


2009 ZIPS Projection - Cliff Lee
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            W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER   HR   BB   SO   ERA
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Year-to-Date   7   9   22 22 152.0 165   53   10   33 107 3.14
Rest-of-Year   7   3   13 13   89.3   89   34   8   17   67 3.43
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Total       14   12   35 35 241.3 254   87   18   50 174 3.24

 


2009 ZIPS Projection - Carlos Carrasco
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            W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER   HR   BB   SO   ERA
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Year-to-Date   5   10   20 20 108.0 125   72   22   45   81 6.00
Rest-of-Year   3   5   12 11   59.0   67   38   10   30   40 5.80
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2009 ZIPS Projection - Lou Marson
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          AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI   BB   SO SB   BA OBP SLG
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Year-to-Date   233   32   61 12   0   1   20   28   48   3 .262 .341 .326
Rest-of-Year   159   21   41   7   0   2   15   19   34   1 .257 .338 .334
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2009 ZIPS Projection - Jason Donald
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          AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI   BB   SO SB   BA OBP SLG
——————————————————————————————————————
Year-to-Date   236   29   53 15   2   1   16   13   59   6 .225 .275 .318
Rest-of-Year   185   23   45   9   1   4   19   14   44   4 .244 .304 .360
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Year-to-date totals include minor-league translations, if applicable.

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:12 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:39 PM (#3272616)
i'm happy. it sucks to lose marson because of how thin the phillies C situation is without him, but at best, he's the 4th most valuable player in the deal, so i'll take it.

also, i think ben francisco was also coming to the phils.
   2. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:43 PM (#3272631)
I wonder what this means w/r/t Pedro. I don't think he's going to be happy with anything less than a spot in the starting rotation, yet the Phillies now have Hamels, Lee, Happ, Blanton and Moyer.
   3. St.Philly Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:46 PM (#3272648)
Pedro has said his willing to do whatever the Phillies want of him. It's not like the back half of the rotation is all that stable either. God knows the bullpen from Lidge on down has been an adventure too.
   4. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:50 PM (#3272661)
IIRC the thinking last year at least was that Pedro's warm-up routine was such that a bullpen role was considered impractical. Of course, it was never tried, and the way that rationale was reported and commented upon may not have been accurate anyway. I guess we shall see.
   5. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:51 PM (#3272663)
I wonder what this means w/r/t Pedro. I don't think he's going to be happy with anything less than a spot in the starting rotation,
Given that Pedro's previous role was in the rotation to walk his family's dog, he ought to be happy with whatever Philly gives him
   6. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:52 PM (#3272668)
What a great move by the Phils, given that the Blue Jays were simply asking for too much. Lee should really shine in the N.L., and this certainly gives them an even shot against the Dodgers.

I said at the time that the signing of Martinez didn't make a whole lot of sense, and it makes even less sense now after this trade than it did then. Even Moyer has been pitching a lot better lately, so there's not even a guarantee that Martinez will take his spot, assuming that his minor league outing goes fairly well.
   7. Padraic Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:54 PM (#3272674)
Always love the analysis, but Hamels is still the "go-to guy" for the Phillies ;)
   8. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:55 PM (#3272680)
Pedro as closer? Now that would be interesting.

Travis D'Arnaud may be rated higher than Marson these days but he is only 20 in the Sally League, so it looks like a few more years of Chooch.
   9. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: July 29, 2009 at 06:56 PM (#3272681)
napp is a pitcher the Indians really wanted and I think he has the highest upside of anyone in the trade, a solidly-built hard thrower who has dominated the Sally League this season.

...and who's out with a shoulder injury.
   10. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: July 29, 2009 at 07:06 PM (#3272712)
The Phils are nuts not to have done both deals, both this one and the Halladay deal that Toronto offered (Happ, Drabek, Dominic Brown). Would have set them up brilliantly for this year and 2010.
   11. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: July 29, 2009 at 07:19 PM (#3272731)
I thought Taylor was part of that deal that TOR offered.
   12. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: July 29, 2009 at 07:36 PM (#3272761)
The Phils are nuts not to have done both deals, both this one and the Halladay deal that Toronto offered (Happ, Drabek, Dominic Brown). Would have set them up brilliantly for this year and 2010.

Teams do have budgets.

I don't think Pedro is going to be a starter for the Phils this year. It'll be weird to see him as a reliever.
   13. RJ in TO Posted: July 29, 2009 at 07:46 PM (#3272778)
Teams do have budgets.


A deep playoff run this season would pay for both Lee and Halladay next season.
   14. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 29, 2009 at 07:54 PM (#3272788)
It would be so badass if Pedro could tack on 5 years as a lights-out closer. I mean, I hate the closer idea, but in this one case, I'd make an exception.
   15. Russ Posted: July 30, 2009 at 03:01 PM (#3273634)
I wonder what this means w/r/t Pedro. I don't think he's going to be happy with anything less than a spot in the starting rotation, yet the Phillies now have Hamels, Lee, Happ, Blanton and Moyer.


I'm sure the Phils would be thrilled to have the problem that all 6 starters were simultaneously healthy and pitching well.

The Phils would be a nightmare in a postseason series with Hamels, Lee and one of the four (Happ/Blanton/Moyer/Martinez) in a three man rotation with the other three coming out of the pen (or with a four man rotation and two of those four coming out of the pen).

But this is what winning teams do... they don't sit back on their laurels, they strike while the iron is hot. Coffee is for closers, as they say.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 30, 2009 at 03:53 PM (#3273678)
"Coffee is for closers, as they say."

Second prize is a set of steak knives, right?

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