Pirates - Acquired Milledge
Pittsburgh Pirates - Acquired OF Lastings Milledge and P Joel Hanrahan from the Washington Nationals for OF
Nyjer Morgan and P Sean Burnett
Let’s get the Nats side of the trade out of the way first. Morgan’s not a good offensive player and a 350/350 season is
pretty much what he can reasonable expected to top out at. As long as he’s 10-15 runs better than average in centerfield,
where he’s likely to be when all is said and done, he’s a usable player somewhere around league-average. Problem is, Morgan
turns 29 in a few days and defensive aging among baseball players isn’t a curve, but a line, pointing down. Sure, he could
be like Mike Cameron and play good defense in center forever, but that’s not typical. A team like the Nationals should see
upside in every player they pick up and I just don’t see where the upside is in Morgan. He’s not particularly disciplined,
he’s unlikely to develop any power or improve defensively, so where’s the payoff? I hated the Milledge trade from the
perspective of the Mets, but sitting there at Thanksgiving ‘07, the idea that Church could possibly develop into a .875-.900
OPS player wasn’t something that was induced from sniffing airplane glue.
The same goes for the Burnett-Hanrahan part of the swap. Burnett’s upside is a solid LOOGY with unimpressive stuff.
Hanrahan hasn’t been great (and his peripherals suggest a better ERA than he’s shown), but if he works out, you have a
classic big fastball/slider shutdown reliever. Obviously, I think Hanrahan is a terrific pickup for the Pirates and way to
turn a commodity into something with upside.
That brings us to Milledge, saved for last for obvious reasons. Yes, Milledge has been disappointing and his behavior has
frequently left much to be desired. But against that, you have the fact that people in their early-20s aren’t exactly known
for their amazing levels of maturity and that turning prospects into players and boys into men is their job. Some
of the reports about Milledge in New York and Washington have been ridiculous - at times, you can almost tell that the
“unnamed sources” speaking to beat reporters are just straining to not use the word “uppity” when Milledge commits such
crimes against humanity like high-fiving fans in a moment of joy and excitement or an interest in rap music. I know that
60-year-old white guys have more important matters, like getting half a billion dollars in corporate welfare from local
governments, to attend to, but it would be nice if certain organizations would be able to deal with prospects that aren’t
either nice, clean-cut white boys who love Jesus and listen to country music or eager immigrants who used milk cartons as
gloves and desperately want to send money home to their family overseas.
As a player, Milledge has showed flashes at times, coming back from a groin injury last year to hit 299/355/448 in the second
half. 2009 has been a disaster for Milledge, but a disaster essentially consisting of 100 PA. The idea that Milledge is
done at 24 because of a bad month and a broken hand is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Milledge needs to show less indifference
with his defense, but it’s a two-way street - organizations need to show less indifference towards Milledge’s future, as well
and do their ####### jobs.
Is Pittsburgh the right destination? I don’t really know. At least they have the right idea, get upside for no-upside. But
will the organization nurture Milledge as a player, treat him like a valued member of the organization rather than an
annoyance every time he does something that may not be Brent Bozell-friendly? That remains to be seen.
2009 ZIPS Projection - Lastings Milledge
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
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Year-to-Date 105 11 22 4 0 0 4 3 27 6 .210 .236 .248
Rest-of-Year 204 28 57 10 1 7 24 14 39 9 .279 .337 .438
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2009 ZIPS Projection - Nyjer Morgan
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
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Year-to-Date 278 39 77 6 5 2 27 29 49 18 .277 .351 .356
Rest-of-Year 221 32 58 7 2 1 15 16 40 18 .261 .322 .322
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Total 499 71 135 13 7 3 42 45 89 36 .270 .338 .341
2009 ZIPS Projection - Sean Burnett
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W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA
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Year-to-Date 1 2 38 0 32.3 22 11 3 15 23 3.06
Rest-of-Year 1 1 33 0 29.3 30 15 3 16 20 4.60
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Total 2 3 71 0 61.7 52 26 6 31 43 3.79
2009 ZIPS Projection - Joel Hanrahan
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W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA
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Year-to-Date 0 3 34 0 32.7 50 28 3 14 35 7.71
Rest-of-Year 2 2 36 0 42.7 41 19 4 20 43 4.01
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Total 2 5 70 0 75.3 91 47 7 34 78 5.62
Year-to-date totals include minor-league translations, if applicable.
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Posted: June 30, 2009 at 10:25 PM |
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1. Zoppity Zoop Posted: June 30, 2009 at 11:30 PM (#3238286)If they aren't known for immaturity, who is?
Hmmm....
D: "Tell Spot that he's a good cat. And a pretty cat."
W: "I'll feed him."
I prefer the Klingon approach: sometimes the player just needs to be told that today is a good day to play ball.
If Morgan is the only available player who can fix the Nationals' defensive woes—which are considerable, just look at tonight's game—they have to go for it if the price is reasonable. Milledge, as I said in the other thread, is surplus. Hanrahan - well, I wouldn't put it past Joey B lynching him given the opportunity. Hanrahan is probably the most hated pitched on the Nationals' staff at the moment, although the vast bulk of my ire is reserved for Jesus Colome. For his own personal safety, it's better for Hanrahan to be traded.
The interesting question at the moment in NatsTown is, who is going to be the outfielder they send down? Dukes? Harris? Kearns? Willingham? Dunn? Or will they send down an infielder? Or shorten the bullpen? Wow! As many Question Marks as on the Riddler's outfit!
Actually, projection algorithms and bug-up-the ass rants pretty much defines the on-line stathead world. Think MGL.
It is really the humor that makes ZIM stand out.
The funny thing is that Symborski's nowhere as mean as he seems to think he is. I don't think he could sustain a rant much past a paragraph or two. He's kind of the opposite of a lot of the statdonks in that, despite clearly being knowledgable, the lighter the topic, the more interesting his writing. I'll probably get banned for this, but the dude's closer to being a smart Bill Simmons than a Gassko/Silver type.
If I ever see the combination, I will totally list the projection for a player as ".867 OPS, .530 SLG, 9 HR"
I think it's Canada Day. Do they normally fall on the same day?
Having watched Morgan in a few games, he seems to me to be an outfielder who is much better defensively in LF than CF. He has great speed, but his routes looked less than stellar. I see that his UZR rating is better in CF than LF, which makes me question whether the sample size (54 games in CF for his career) allows us to get an accurate gauge of his defense in CF. Because McLouth held down CF for much of the season, Morgan played mostly in LF for the Pirates. Morgan will be an improvement defensively over what the Nats are used to in CF, but I wouldn't bet that he will be more than slightly above average in CF.
By the way, I find it interesting that two stats oriented sites (here and Fangraphs) come to completely different conclusions about this trade. The fangraphs article views it as a win for the Nationals.
The analysts I saw on the MLB Network last night (former players, not statheads) were pretty much unanimous in their opinion that it was a terrible trade for the Pirates. The term "head-scratcher" was used more than once.
Maybe. An interesting thing to me is that the early rumors/media reports were Milledge for Morgan ... and sure the Pirates wanted a little more, but it was apparently the name Milledge that got them listening in the first place. The Pirates had no reason to trade Morgan -- he's not making any money, he's not blocking anyone -- so unless Huntington has a pathological obsession with trading starting OFs (his 4th such trade in a year), the Pirates wanted to make this trade. That should mean that they're looking to give Milledge a legit shot to reach his upside.
If a team other than the Nats had made this trade, I might call them the winner or at least a win-win. If his defense is as good as advertised, then Morgan is (give or take a few runs) an average OF. Dan's of course right that his defense will go in decline but he's still likely to in that average zone for the next 2.5 seasons and that's a perfectly good return for a "failed" prospect (though Hanrahan seems better than your typical throw-in). But the Nats are doing this to ... improve their chances of out-performing the 2003 Tigers? Still, given the Nats wanted to move Milledge and apparently have nightmarish flashbacks whenever the name Hanrahan is mentioned, they did OK here. The concern is more whether they're ever gonna get around to turning good young talent into good players.
I think the age difference between Milledge and Morgan is what's getting people. Milledge debuted a year earlier and has almost 400 more MLB PAs than Morgan. So at first glance this looks like a trade of guys around the same age/experience, except that one is a major-league regular and the other guy's scuffling in AAA.
What that misses, of course, is that Milledge made his major-league debut at age 21, Morgan debuted at age 27, and Milledge is still almost five years younger than Morgan. Actually, even BB-Ref understates the real age difference - they list Morgan's baseball age this year as 28; if he had been born two days earlier, they'd call him 29 (his birthday is tomorrow).
I think that analysis pretty much consisted of:
Morgan: .277 and 18 steals!
Milledge: .167 and clubhouse cancer!
One of them mentioned that Milledge was supposedly late to the surgery for his hand injury earlier this year -- anyone know if there's any truth to that?
Milledge -2.1 WAR For Pittsburgh
Morgan 0.5 WAR for Washington
Net gain for Washington, 2.6 WAR
Not totally. To date, Hanrahan has been 0.5 WAR better than Burnett, so that gets the gap down to 2.1.
since June 11:
Milledge:.340/.415/.511 in 53 PAs
Morgan: .254/.299/.268 in 76 PAs
Since June 20:
Milledge: .222/.282/.333 in 40 PAs
Morgan: .283/.350/.302 in 63 PAs
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