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Tuesday, January 03, 2006

Pirates - Reportedly Signed Burnitz

Pittsburgh Pirates - Have reportedly signed OF Jeromy Burnitz to a 2-year, $12 million contract.

Woohoo!  As an alleged Orioles fan, I’m pretty excited that the Pirates are bailing the Orioles out of their stupidity.

I won’t gload too much, however.  There’s a whole other town of sad fans today, full of people who hope that the Pirates accidentally put together a .500 team at some point.  What’s truly amazing is that this is actually a worse idea than he would be with the Orioles.  In Baltimore, Burnitz wouldn’t be as good a player that a decidedly unretarded front office could find.  In Pittsburgh, not only is Burnitz not better than players even a special needs GM could find, he’s not even better than the players they already have.  In essence, they’re paying $6 million to downgrade the position from actual players, not theoretical ones.  Even more hilariously, they’re getting a player that is guilty of the same faults that they want to replace Craig Wilson for.  Jeromy Burnitz doesn’t make contact.  Jeromy Burnitz has never struck out less than 100 times in a full season.  And so on.

Horrible, horrible move by Dave Littlefield.  If the jury’s still out on Littlefield, it’s only because the jury asked for their Chinese food to be poisoned so that they wouldn’t have to watch this team.  I strongly suggest that Pirate fans really make an effort to do what I do with the Orioles - vote with your wallet.  Say no to David Littlefield and his Tall Fetid Devil Id.  OK, I couldn’t think of a better anagram.

2006 ZiPS Projection - Jeromy Burnitz
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AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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541 66 130 26 2 21 79 53 106   4 .240 .311 .412

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2006 at 06:16 PM | 57 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. 1k5v3L Posted: January 03, 2006 at 06:41 PM (#1804408)
A smart GM would be calling for Craig Wilson right now.
   2. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: January 03, 2006 at 06:46 PM (#1804416)
Or a group of people acting as a GM, of course.
   3. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: January 03, 2006 at 06:58 PM (#1804451)
Even more hilariously, they're getting a player that is guilty of the same faults that they want to replace Craig Wilson for. Jeromy Burnitz doesn't make contact. Jeromy Burnitz has never struck out less than 100 times in a full season. And so on.

Not like it's that great of a difference to make up for the money, but it seems like Burnitz is a far better defensive outfielder.

At least as far as reputation is concerned. I haven't seen Wilson play that much to know myself.
   4. Spahn Insane Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:03 PM (#1804465)
So what would Wilson cost? I'd love to see him in Chicago, not that he's Dusty Baker's kind of player.
   5. Boof Bonser Tree Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:07 PM (#1804474)
For the Orioles this is like the moment in all the cheesy movies where the protagonist cop's partner buddy gets shot in the final scene, as an audience we find out later that the bullet ricochets off a locket that the partners daughter gave to him as a fathers day present earlier that day.
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#1804478)
So what would Wilson cost?

A left handed reliever? God knows you can't have too many of those.
   7. Honkie Kong Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#1804482)
So what would Wilson cost?

Randall Simon?
   8. Honkie Kong Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#1804488)
I won't gload too much, however.

I see the hangover from the Mabry thread :) that certainly burnitzed itself into my memory !we probably might have to Ward this thread against such things..
   9. Russ Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:20 PM (#1804490)
This is a done deal.. one year for 6M, plus a second mutual option year for 6M.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06003/631844.stm

Excuse me while I go throw up.
   10. 1k5v3L Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#1804492)
Russ, at least it's a mutual option for 06, not guaranteed. Whatever that's worth.

The Buccos should keep Wilson, play him in LF and move Bay to CF.
   11. Russ Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#1804499)
The Pirates are asinine. The ZiPS projections for Nate McLouth, Jody Gerut, and Craig Wilson are all better than that of Burnitz. Gerut and McLouth are even LEFT-HANDED. McLouth can PLAY CENTERFIELD. This is a move that defies description... it's so amazingly bad, that even the fact that it's a one year deal doesn't make it so INSANELY BAD THAT IT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED BY WORDS THE NANNY CENSORS.

I'm so depressed right now, I can't even tell you... all I need is for the Panthers to drop their first Big East game and the Steelers to get steamrolled by Carson Palmer... and oh yeah, maybe Sidney Crosby will skate into Marc-Andre Fleury and both will get knocked out for the season while I'm at the Pens-Habs game tonight.

GODDAMIT, WHAT A GODDAM BAD START TO MY YEAR
   12. JPWF13 Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:32 PM (#1804509)
Craig Wilson will be 29 in 2006, his OPS+ the last 4 years: 104,125,122,112

Burnitz will be 37, his OPS+ the last 4 years: 83,104,115,96....

Hmmmm, at least Burnitz used to be better defensively and besides Wilson Ks way too much :-)

I love teams like Pittsburg
They sign Pat Meares to a long term contract
They sign Kevin Young to a long term contract after 1 seemingly (though not really) good year at age 29 and one legitimately good year at age 30.

Yet they get frustrated with Aramis Ramirez and essentially give him away-
they jerk Craig Wilson around endlessly.

They sign 1 year FAs with teh apparent intent of fliping them to contenders (ie: Reggie Sanders, Kenny Lofton) then don't deal them, just let them walk after a year.

They have someone like JJ Davis, who goes .287-20-62 in AA, and .284-26-67 with 23 steals in AAA

and they can't even be bothered to puff him up to try to trade him, instead they say he Ks too much
and "trades" him for the immortal Antonio Sucre (who in his 3rd year at A ball has finally reached .265-10-54).

But my favorite move was this-
you draft a guy, out of college- and he hits .305 in the NYP league- so they send him to the Sallie League (A) and he hits .340- so they send him to the Carolina League (still A) and he hits .359.
Now, since he was drafted out of College- his rule 5 eligibility is quickly approaching- what do you do? Leave him off your 40 man of course.

Here's my question- you have a guy who you are not going to promote (at least not quickly) or ever put on your 40 man no matter how well he hits- why draft him to begin with? (I know- he was 33rd round roster filler when drafted- but doesn't performance count for anything?)
   13. Russ Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#1804522)
but doesn't performance count for anything?

With respect to David Littlefield's eyes, we all know the answer to that question.
   14. Russ Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#1804536)
But my favorite move was this-

The Chris Shelton story was good, but at least he was fat. Chris Young was a 6'10" athletic guy, FORMER D-1 BASKETBALL PLAYER, that you drafted because he'd make a great project and that you ingeniously signed when no one thought he wanted to play baseball. He has decent numbers in the minors but doesn't quite fill out his huge frame, but he's certainly not embarrassing you.

You can try to work with him, you can maybe work a deal for a player that you need. Instead, you do what?

You decide to trade him for a marginal relief pitcher that YOU THEN RELEASE IN SPRING TRAINING THREE MONTHS LATER.

Mickey White is the only reason the Pirates haven't lost 100+ games every year for the last 6. Losing Mickey White may turn out to be the move that finally allows people to see how completely rotted this organization is in five years, when they have exactly ZERO good players at the major league level. White's genius moves actually enabled them to produce so many quality players that they simply haven't been able to give them all away or block them all.
   15. Spahn Insane Posted: January 03, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#1804548)
They sign 1 year FAs with teh apparent intent of fliping them to contenders (ie: Reggie Sanders, Kenny Lofton) then don't deal them, just let them walk after a year.

Lofton was traded in the Ramirez deal. Not that I disagree with much else in your post.
   16. JPWF13 Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#1804555)
Chris Young was a 6'10" athletic guy, FORMER D-1 BASKETBALL PLAYER, that you drafted because he'd make a great project

but the project was obviously failing
I mean he'd only gone 11-9 3.11 (136/34 k/bb)the year before...

As a Met fan what worries me about the Chris Young saga is that Omar turned around and traded Young to Texas for a bag of balls and some bacitracin...
   17. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:13 PM (#1804574)
so he took less guaranteed money to sign with the Bucs over the O's?
   18. JPWF13 Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#1804578)
Lofton was traded in the Ramirez deal. Not that I disagree with much else in your post.

you're right

but just looking at that trade:
Aramis Ramirez & Lofton for Jose Hernandez, Matt Bruback and Bobby Hill????

In what alternative Universe was that a good trade when made?
Lofton wasn't even expensive that year for crissakes.
Since that trade Lofton has put up OPS+s of 122, 97 & 107.
Aramis: 107, 136, 137
Jose H: 59, 137 (small sample platoon fluke with the Dodgers after being released by Pitt), 67
Hill: 84 & 78.

Ramirez had been terrific for a 23 year old in 2001- godawful in 2002, godawful to begin 2003- but then went on a tear his OPS was well above 800 in both May and June. He had signficantly more trade value than Bobby Hill (who had already lost his "prospect" label by that time). Lofton (both by virtue of production and "type") had significantly more trade value than Jose H.

Matt Bruback? If he was ever considered a prospect- by anybody- I most have been asleep for that meeting.
   19. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#1804585)
Another deal made in order to (a) spend the entire payroll budget and (b) keep the attendance up while McClatchy/Nutting prepare to unload the team after the All-Star break.

-- MWE
   20. Russ Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:23 PM (#1804593)
Matt Bruback? If he was ever considered a prospect- by anybody- I most have been asleep for that meeting.

Another proto-Little[forget] guy... traded for and then released. I'm more attached to my used Kleenex than Little[forget] is to the guys he trades for. He must have some sort of complex, if they're not wearing a Pirates uni, they're great. If they are wearing a Pirate uni (or a Pirate organization uni), then they suck and must be gotten rid of immediately.

Seriously, I'm starting to think that Littlefield is a sociopath. Look at his picture at pirates.mlb.com . The dude looks like a sociopath.
   21. Azteca Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:23 PM (#1804594)
well, Russ, the Brian Giles trade will always look very good, no matter what OliverP does from here on out. otherwise: agreed, the Bucs are a mess.
   22. Russ Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:25 PM (#1804599)
keep the attendance up while McClatchy/Nutting prepare to unload the team after the All-Star break.

This is the only ray of hope that I have... is there any chance in hell that MLB will let Cuban buy the team? It may be the only thing that will allow the Pirates to win another world series in my lifetime. If Cuban takes over, maybe he gets someone like Epstein as GM and then they do what they can with the pieces that are left after these [ask]hats are gone.
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 03, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#1804600)
If you have some free time, Dan, could you run a quick ZiPS for Josh Bonifay? He's not going to make the majors, and I don't think he's even in the org anymore; I'm just curious at how much Altoona's park cancels out his excessive age.

"Matt Bruback? If he was ever considered a prospect- by anybody- I most have been asleep for that meeting."

At the time, I thought he was the best player on the Cubs' side of the deal.

I wasn't necessarily wrong, either. Ai yi yi.
   24. Bucs Fan Posted: January 03, 2006 at 10:32 PM (#1804848)
I posted this on the other thread, but for the benefit of other Pirate fans here (both of you)...

So considering this news, the Pirates' positions players in 2006 are (based on a 12-man pitching staff):
Cota
Doumit
Casey
Castillo
J Wilson
Randa
Sanchez
Bay
Duffy
Burnitz
C Wilson
Gerut
McClouth

C Wilson has to be kept, as he's the only one with experience at first base and provides a righty bat there on Casey's off days. He's also useful as an emrgency catcher (his original position). So the player that gets bumped by this signing is... Yurendell DeCaster?

The Pirates also have to clear a spot on the 40-man roster. If it's anyone not named J.J. Furmaniak, there's even more not to like about this transaction. Or am I missing someone?
   25. stubbyc Posted: January 03, 2006 at 10:35 PM (#1804856)
Astros reach a tentative 1 year deal with Preston Wilson.

Link
   26. JPWF13 Posted: January 03, 2006 at 10:40 PM (#1804864)
Josh Bonifay?

Let's see, he plays in a pitcher's league (EL 2005= .259/.321/.398
in a pitcher's park (weighted park factor of .94, but just 0.77 for home runs)

he hit .282/.340/.556
and someone in Pittsburg's org allegedly said they don't think he can hit curveballs.

You know, I'm guessing that roughly 7/8 times when a scout says a prospect can't hit a major league curveball- he's full of crap- that's just their standard excuse when asked to clarify why they don't think a prospect can play with the big boys and they can't/don't bother to articulate a better reason.

My favorite was Ken Phelps, every year if his name was mentioned at all the writer felt compelled to say, "He hit 44 homers in Oshkosh, but scouts doubt he can handle MLB breaking stuff" Phelps could hit breaking stuff as well as anyone (Oddly enough he couldn't catch up to real good heat- if you could throw hard your best option was just to heave it over the plate)

If a scout likes a prospect they will never say he has trouble with breaking stuff- even if the guy does.
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 03, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#1804951)
"Or am I missing someone?"

Rajai Davis would be the obvious choice, I think. He was pretty underwhelming last year as a 24-year-old in AA, and I think he's topped out as a fifth OF at best unless he can develop more power.
   28. Bucs Fan Posted: January 03, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#1804981)
Yeah, Davis might be the one. Furmaniak's the only one not on the 25-man I listed that can play shortstop, so Davis might be odd man out. That is, unless the Pirates cut Furmaniak and keep Gookie Dawkins at AAA Indy as an emergency shortstop, without having to devote a 40-man spot to him.
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 04, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#1805014)
Wow, what a mistake that'd be. Dawkins looks overmatched with the stick even at AAA.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: January 04, 2006 at 02:52 AM (#1805238)
What the Pirates got in the Ramirez/Lofton trade was out from under the $6 M they owed Ramirez in 2004. If they'd wanted to enjoy his 2005, that would have probably cost them the same $9 M it cost the Cubs. Etc.

It certainly wasn't a good trade for Pitt, but Ramirez was a poor fielder and, shall we say, highly mercurial as a hitter, expensive, and probably wasn't going to be on the Pirates after 2004 and certainly not after 2005.

Of course if you're willing to flush $6M on Burnitz, the "we can't afford X" excuse looks pretty empty.
   31. MM1f Posted: January 04, 2006 at 03:46 AM (#1805269)
"Matt Bruback? If he was ever considered a prospect- by anybody- I most have been asleep for that meeting. "

Eh, 6-6 guy with a low/mid 90s fastball that lead the Southern League in Ks. Not a special guy at all, but some sort of prosepct. He was easily expendable in the Cubs deep system of the time though.

Vlad was right, he was probably the best prospect the Bucs got from the Cubs that summer and he was still nothing much
   32. Darren Posted: January 04, 2006 at 04:33 AM (#1805287)
What have the Pirates spent this offseason? $6 mil increase in getting Casey, $6 mil for Burnitz, $4 mil for Randa, $3 mil for Roberto Hernandez... Anything else? That's something like $19 mil, which has pretty much succeeded in pushing Craig Wilson and Freddy Sanchez (or is it Castillo?) to the bench in favor of older, inferior players.

Do they really think this will bring the fans in? Do the Pirates fans here think it will?

You spend that kind of money, you could pick up a couple of Ramon Hernandez, Giles (didn't he enjoy Pittsburgh?), Millwood, Burnett, Frank Thomas, etc. You could even try to get in on someone like Delgado or Beckett. Those are all pretty big names that might, ya know, actually make your team better.

Well, can the Red Sox please have Craig Wilson now? We'll trade you well-known thirdbaseman Mike Lowell for him. (It was my secret dream that the Pirates would want Lowell at 1/2 price after they missed out on Mueller.)
   33. Darren Posted: January 04, 2006 at 04:38 AM (#1805289)
What do you Pirates fans think of Freddy's glove? Both Dial's and Rallymonkey Chonesmith's had him as about 15-20 runs above average. Could he handle SS?
   34. Shock Posted: January 04, 2006 at 04:50 AM (#1805292)
Forget Mike Lowell, the Jays will give you two-time allstar Shea Hillenbrand!
   35. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: January 04, 2006 at 05:05 AM (#1805298)
Baltimore GM FLANNAGAN: So, I have the paperwork here for Burnitz,...we are really happy that this thing is going to work out. The numbers work out for us and so does the deal. Jeremy will be happy in Baltimore, and will be a valuable part of the Orioles pointing in the right direction.

SIMON: Save it for the press conference, Mike,...2 Years 10 million is palatable,...do you have a pen so I can sign off on this thing.

Flannagan: I have a pen right here, just sign your John Hancock on the dotted line right next to where Jeremy has initialed and we'll go ahead and schedule the press conference.

Simon: (slowly signing the contract), I will now begin by signing Howard, the birth name given to me by my mother, and also the birth-name of three of the famous Three Stooges brothers, Moe, Curly and Shemp., although the name had been changed from Horwitz when they were still young boys. H-O-W,...I am making small balls at the top of the ridges of the "W" in order to indicate that it is a "W" and not a "M", although you could probably assume that it was "Howard" because no one I have ever met has been named Homard.....Homard, sounds kind of like a 19th century English Lit. Citation no?....Well, what do I know, I majored in finance,...I only took Britt Lit, because it was a "Western Civ." block requirement at Hofstra....anyhow, on to the signature........A-R-D....I will now leave sufficient space after the D in order to indicate that I am begining my last name, Simon....It was originally Shimonovich,...actually my father was born Yuri Ulianov Shimanovich, he was forced out of Russia under Stalin for being sympathetic to a Trotskyite-leaning newspaper editor in the town of Pneitritetropsk, in Sibera...not to be confused with the town of the same name in the Ukraine...Anyhow, on with the signing....."S", ...you like my Victorian styling on the "S"...."I", I'll dot it after I finish the signature....."M",....notice there are no "balls" on it like with my "W"....pretty clever....."O", "N"......Now all I have to do to make this thing 100 percent official is to dot the "i" in "Simon" and we'll be good to go! (CELL PHONE RINGS)....Hold on just one second,...someone is calling from Pittsburgh.

PIRATES GM LITTLEFIELD on the phone: HELLO, HOWARD SIMON!?!

SIMON: YES, who is this?

PIRATES GM LITTLEFIELD (talking like Jack Lemon from "Glengary Glenross): This is Dave Littlefield, GM of the 1979 World Champion Pittsburgh Pirates,....I'll make it quick Howard, as both of our time is obviously valuable. We'lve just stumbled upon a fantastic opportunity,...one with the potential to make both of us very wealthy and, well....very very succesful at the same time. Now this might sound kind of strange, but our accountants here have revealed to us that they have just cleared lots of money from the books thanks to the termination of contracts with such starrs as kevin Young, derek Bell, Raul Mondesi and Pat Meares....These saving alone could stand to make us very very wealthy, and in time,...very very happy as well. (Pretending to talk to wife over his should)..."Sweetheart, how much did the owner say these contracts had saved us....really?, How is that possible sweety?, ya don't say? Thanks dear"
(Back on the phone): Maude here says we'lve stumbled across 60 or even 70 million dollars. And that's were you come in Howard....we are prepared to make you and your client very wealthy men, say to the tune of 65 Million dollars over 3 years, with a player option for 25 million more during the 2009 season. Plus we'lve throw in some beautiful property in the Everglades....Florida is a hot market nowadays and this opporutnity is not going to last...So what do ya say, pal...do we have a deal.

Simon to Flannagan: That "I" is not going to be dotted, my friend! You can take this contract and shove it! Book me on the the next train to Steel-Town, Pittsburgh here we come!!!(Runs out of room)

Flannagan (on phone to secretary): Dottie, there's been a change of plans, get me the agents for Sammy Sosa, Frank Thomas, B.J. Surhoff,Pat Borders, John Olerud, Andres Glaraga, Hrold Baines, Larry Walker on the phone pronto!

Secretary: Olerud, Galaraga, Baines and Walker have already told us they are retired.

Flannagan: Not with the type of money we are going to be throwing at them they not.
   36. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 04, 2006 at 08:52 AM (#1805382)
   37. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 04, 2006 at 09:05 AM (#1805392)
The Padres signed Jose Lima after moving the fences in. So, if you look hard enough, you can find stuff that's equally dumb...
   38. MM1f Posted: January 04, 2006 at 09:09 AM (#1805396)
To an NRI though right? So really theres nothign dumb about it all, right?
   39. MS Posted: January 04, 2006 at 09:10 AM (#1805397)
Aramis Ramirez & Lofton for Jose Hernandez, Matt Bruback and Bobby Hill????

In what alternative Universe was that a good trade when made?


Maybe the more appropriate question would be, in what alternative universe can a GM do something that incredibly idiotic and still have a job? Especially when you consider that the Pirates decided they hated Bobby Hill about 2 days after that trade was made.

My tirade aside, I seriously don't see how Littlefield gets any semblance of a pass on that deal just because the Pirates allegedly needed money. Teams dump players for salary reasons all the time (i.e. the Marlins) without getting robbed silly. I don't see why this should have been any different. The return on that trade was simply embarrassing and only proved what a moron Littlefield is. Chris Shelton, Chris Young and now Jeromy Burnitz only further reinforce that.
   40. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 04, 2006 at 09:12 AM (#1805401)
No, $1.7 million guaranteed, according to Rotoworld. And an apparently major-league contract for Shawn Estes, too. I'm not kidding...
   41. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 04, 2006 at 09:21 AM (#1805406)
The sad part of that, of course, is that his 90 ERA+ will be a 4.40 ERA at Petco Park, leading the Pirates to sign him next winter.
   42. MM1f Posted: January 04, 2006 at 09:50 AM (#1805415)
Did you mean Lima or Estes in 41
   43. MM1f Posted: January 04, 2006 at 09:55 AM (#1805418)
I dont really mind Estes as a 1 yr/1 or 2 mil stopgap but LIMA!? They felt the had to outbid the Japanese teams for a guy that no other MLB team wanted as anything but an NRI?

Gross
Man starting pitching is EXPENNNISSIIIIVE
   44. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 04, 2006 at 10:45 AM (#1805426)
Lima's not going to have a 90 ERA+... that would be a performance-spike for him.

Starting pitching apparently isn't that expensive... the Dodgers just got Jae Seo for Duaner Sanchez, according to Rotoworld. That's not as bad for the Mets as the Seo + Matsui for Baez trade was, because Sanchez is better than Baez and makes way less money. But Seo's a better starting pitcher than several guys who have gotten big multi-year deals this winter.
   45. MM1f Posted: January 04, 2006 at 11:02 AM (#1805429)
Duaner Sanchez was a guy the Pirates waived BTW
   46. MM1f Posted: January 04, 2006 at 11:07 AM (#1805432)
Sanchez has some wide splits too:
in BA/OPS
VS. LEFT: .310 / .867
VS. RIGHT: .182 / .597

(and, as expected)
HOME: .227 / .668
AWAY: .268 / .801
   47. Russ Posted: January 04, 2006 at 02:03 PM (#1805455)
Duaner Sanchez was a guy the Pirates waived BTW

::Mordecai opens wound, pours salt::
   48. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 04, 2006 at 02:50 PM (#1805481)
"What do you Pirates fans think of Freddy's glove? Both Dial's and Rallymonkey Chonesmith's had him as about 15-20 runs above average. Could he handle SS?"

He was a SS all through the minors, and he's only playing 3B with the Pirates because they've got Jack Wilson at short and nobody at third.
   49. Bucs Fan Posted: January 04, 2006 at 04:53 PM (#1805635)
Wow, what a mistake that'd be. Dawkins looks overmatched with the stick even at AAA.

Vlad, you are correct, of course. But considering how Dave Littlefield manages his rosters, it wouldn't surprise me if, in the interests of having an emergency SS call-up in AAA and opening up a spot on the 40-man for Burnitz, he cuts Furmaniak and keeps Dawkins, who isn't currently taking up a 40-man spot. (See: Bruback, Herges, and a multitude of other players he acquired in trades, only to cut them shortly thereafter.)

All it would require is Dawkins hitting .280 in 26 Spring Training ABs against AA pitchers for DL to justify it (to whom, I don't know anymore).
   50. ECBucs Posted: January 04, 2006 at 05:05 PM (#1805650)
Are you guys saying Tomas Perez is not in the Bucco organization anymore?

IIRC, Bruback was only with Bucs for a month or less and then they waived him.

I agree that DL should have done better as the only money saved on Aram was for next season. The Bucs took Hernandez and his salary and paid some cash to Cubs to make trade season a wash (or close to it).
   51. Bucs Fan Posted: January 04, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#1805736)
This is very strange. From the Post-Gazette:

Less than a week ago, Burnitz was on the verge of signing a two-year contract worth $12.5 million -- all but $500,000 guaranteed -- with the Baltimore Orioles. But he stunned management by backing out just before the weekend.

An Orioles team official said yesterday they voiced an informal complaint with MLB about the way Burnitz and his Connecticut-based agent, Howard Simon, negotiated.

"We had an agreement, and they backed out," Orioles vice president of baseball operations Jim Duquette said. "We negotiate in good faith."

Simon acknowledged it was his side that backed out, explaining it was primarily because Baltimore would not alter a contractual requirement for a physical that is more elaborate and takes more time than that of most teams. That, Simon added, prompted him and Burnitz to worry the Orioles would deliberately delay his signing while they continued talks with the Boston Red Sox aimed at acquiring superstar outfielder Manny Ramirez, thus costing Burnitz a chance to capitalize on other offers.

Baltimore officials scoffed at the notion that their procedure for physicals played a role. One said Burnitz told the Orioles his reason for changing his mind was that the Pirates play more games in California, where his family lives. The Pirates play 13 games in California and three in Arizona. The Orioles play nine games in California.


??!??
   52. Bucs Fan Posted: January 04, 2006 at 10:49 PM (#1806293)
From the AP article:

To make room for Burnitz on their 40-man roster, the Pirates designated infielder J.J. Furmaniak for assignment.
   53. Russ Posted: January 04, 2006 at 10:54 PM (#1806304)
JJ, we hardly knew ye.
   54. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 04, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#1806401)
Argh!
   55. fables of the deconstruction Posted: January 07, 2006 at 04:09 AM (#1809995)
SEE! Even the suckiest suck of FA's would rather go to a team (almost) guaranteed to lose 100 games than go to the Peter Angelos owned Baltimore Orioles.

"We had an agreement, and they backed out," Orioles vice president of baseball operations Jim Duquette said. "We negotiate in good faith."

Orioles execs should just STFU and realize that Littlefield's braincramp helped them dodge a nuclear warhead.

My condolences, Bucs fans!

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trevise
   56. Shock Posted: January 21, 2008 at 05:53 AM (#2672683)
Sorry if you guys don't like bump...but I just enjoy looking back on these. It's amazing to me how close ZiPS actually was here, and even more ridiculous, on the optimistic side...
   57. s.zielinski Posted: January 21, 2008 at 06:11 AM (#2672686)
Nice....

If Littlefield were still the GM this thread would be initially taken as current by many Pirate fans. Even under the new regime, trust is hard to come by. I had to look....

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