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Personally, I think McClatchy is a money-grubbing moron who isn't willing to take any risks and insists that every action of the organization be based on today's cash flow. They seem to be in a sort of fantasyland where they think they're trying to win now and the fact that it's not possible isn't allowed to enter into the equation. McClendon and Littlefield are just doing what the boss expects of them.
There was a story about Napoleon, in the last days before his first abdication when he'd gotten further and further divorced from reality. He ordered one of his marshals, "Take your 30,000 men and march to such-and-such." The marshal replied, "Sire, I only have 10,000 men." A moment later, Napoleon ordered the marshal, "Take your 30,000 men and . . . ." Same reply, and moments later the same order repeated yet again. At some point, the flunky learns to say, "OK, I'll take my 30,000 men and . . . ." He even learns to tell the media that he has 30,000 men, with a straight face.
And just in case you thought the Pirates couldn't get any stupider, they've reportedly re-signed Randall Simon, to be announced tomorrow.
I think I am getting a clearer picture now.
Thanks.
I missed this the first time through, but I think it's absolutely 100% correct.
Or a village idiots' convention, take your pick.
He also said he thinks first base is too "fast" for Craig Wilson. So it sounds like they're looking to sign a first baseman (McGriff? Travis Lee?), and either Wilson or J.J. Davis will get jobbed.
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/04035/268900.stm
"It does seem as if there's no hope for the Pirates - and let's not hear anymore about how the Twins and the A's have done it on relatively small budgets. That's why I believe there has to be some kind of sweeping change in baseball's economics - and as you'll see if you continue reading there are other people who think so, too."
Every day, I think there has to be a limit as to how much worse things can get. And every day, I open the paper, and things are worse than they were the day before.
Who's a first baseman? Anybody.
Every team may sign players like Merced, but not every team has an established track record of rebuilding by signing these guys in order to screw over every player on their team that has a future.
Ward will be 29 this year, and he hasn't met even the minimum standard of competency for his position since he was 24. The chances of him suddenly learning to draw walks, hit LHP, play defense, or hit anywhere other than The Ballpark Formerly Known As Enron are almost vanishingly low.
Daryle Ward is NOT a prospect. He's filler, and he's being counted on to me more than that.
I don't have any sort of grand hopes for Merced, but he was a useful player as recently as two seasons ago, which gives him a higher chance of success than Ward, and while he was never very special as a Pirate, he did occasionally line a ball over the fence or make a circus catch during his seven years with the team. I don't want either ?ne on the roster, but if I absolutely had to take one, I'd go with Merced.
Of course, with today's signing of Mondesi, it's all a moot point. Alvarez is at AAA, again, Davis is off the roster, and Wilson's back on the bench.
I absolutely can not deal with this ######## anymore. I'll watch the games on TV or listen on the radio, but there's no way McClatchy gets one stinking dollar from my wallet if this is the way he's going to run things. I refuse to pay for the privilege of being insulted this way.
Boyd: battery (2x).
We can probably agree to disagree, since neither one's going to do **** this year, anyway.
I do know that if you added together the salaries of Ward and Merced, you could probably afford Jeremy Giambi.
Any time he feels like doing this, by the way, he can count on my nickel 100%.
Much to my surprise, Urbina would add THREE charges to the list. There were initially two different firearms-related charges on his latest run-in with the law, and I'd completely forgotten about that whole nightclub brawl in 2000.
In even more depressing news, KDKA is reporting that the Pirates are in talks with Bobby Bonilla.
I'm not kidding about this.
Dude, relax. It's in the papers and everything:
"On a day when the Pirates announced the signing of Orlando Merced to a minor-league contract, they also agreed to terms in principle with free-agent outfielder Raul Mondesi on a major-league deal.
Mondesi came to terms Saturday on a one-year deal that is believed to contain an option for 2005. The signing is contingent on Mondesi passing a physical. An official announcement on the signing will be made this week by the Pirates, who also plan to announce the signing of free-agent first baseman Randall Simon. "
You never know if Randall Simon's "official," but when A-Rod is acquired by the Yankees, one would damn well know when that one's official.
Why is Craig Wilson a "platoon guy"? He wasn't great against righties for a few months this year; so?
Mondesi has nothing to do with Tike Redman, since Mondesi can't play center.
J.J. Davis just clubbed the PCL this year, and he's out of options. He's clearly a pretty decent prospect, and now is the time to see if he can cut it in the big leagues.
what's your point?
1. Screwing the present.
It's all the sample size he's got. If you're upset that it's that small, blame Pirate management, not us.
" J. J. Davis isn't the greatest prospect in the world"
J.J. Davis is a 25-year-old former first-round pick with a cannon for an arm who last year finished third in the PCL in homers and put up a .896 OPS in a pitchers' park. As hitting prospects go, he's plenty good enough for a team like the Pirates.
Why exactly didn't the Pirates resign Stairs? Did they not get the memo about the TPS reports? I'm sure the true Pirates fans must agonize about this all the time, but moves like dumping Stairs for Mondy, blocking key prospects with submediocre players like Simon, and having to pay Jack Wilson almost 2 million bucks for replacement-level offense seem, uh, suboptimal.
Playing time for Mondesi and Simon will be split with Craig Wilson, who will play right field and first base under a plan to get him a season's worth of at-bats.
Not sure why they're finally coming to their senses, at least where Wilson is concerned. And it looks like Davis is REALLY toast. We'll see whether Wilson actually plays every day.
$30 mil payroll or not, we'll be moving on up at this rate!
Reds and Pirates, here they come...
A lack-of-Selig in the future, a highly rated farm system, divisional GM incompetence....aah, sometimes it's good to be alive :)
Wilson's defensive numbers at first or in right don't actually look all that bad, though his ones behind the plate are admittedly a bit rough. He's acquired a reputation as a poor defender mostly through comments from Lloyd and the perception that a guy who moves between three different positions MUST be a poor defender, but it's tough to find a defensive statistic that had Wilson as a worse defender in RF than Mondesi in 2003 (Wilson wins in defensive win shares per 1000 innings, BP's rate2, Range Factor, Zone Rating, and even straight fielding percentage). I'll admit that he can occasionally look clueless on routes to a fly when you see him in person, but that's nothing that you aren't getting with Mondesi as well, and since Wilson's only played in the outfield for parts of two seasons as a pro, it's not entirely out of the question that he'd actually improve there if the team would just let him pick a position and stick with it.
Check out the two players' scouting profiles by STATS, Inc.: Wilson is "shedding the reputation of having an iron glove. He has made himself into a decent right fielder with improving range and an accurate, though ordinary, arm." Meanwhile, here's Mondesi's rep: "Long known for his strong throwing arm, Mondesi still has a gun. But he has a tendency to rush throws and thus be off line."
It's not sane or reasonable to penalize Wilson for not facing many RHP unless he's the one opting out against them, just like it's not fair to penalize Davis for not "establishing" himself as a MLB regular when he's not the guy in charge of promoting minor-league players. They've both done all that could be expected with the opportunities that they were given: Wilson's hit fairly well against RHP whenever Lloyd's deigned to allow him to face one, and Davis spent 2003 smacking around AAA pitchers because that's where Brian Graham decided he should play. To insinuate that they should've done a better job converting on opportunities that they haven't received is lunacy.
Reggie Sanders is, by far, a better player than Mondesi.
To me, it's also ridiculous to somehow give Mondesi a pass for failing to hit RHP in Toronto because he "never wanted to be" there. It's OK to struggle, as long as you whine and kvetch at the same time? There's a big secret here, and that secret is that Mondesi probably doesn't want to play in Pittsburgh, either. Think about it. The city isn't particularly large or high-profile, the weather here's generally cold and rainy, and the franchise doesn't have much recent tradition of adequacy, let alone excellence. The city doesn't have a large Dominican population to make him feel at home. Mondesi didn't give the franchise a below-market deal to sign here; he waited until there were absolutely positively definitely no better offers on the table, then signed without giving one media-friendly "just glad to be here, let's get 'em in 2004" interview. One year ago, he said that he would definitely retire at the end of his contract with the Yankees, and he also said that he felt like he was 37 years old going into spring training. Assuming that you're correct, that Mondesi could've hit against RHP in Toronto had he wanted but that he petulantly chose not to, what leads you to believe that he'll be any happier or have any more motivation this season with the Pirates?
This is not saying very much. See Vlad's post for responses to the rest.
That's a good point. I hadn't considered that they might get injured, which actually makes this all seem better. Now if Daryle Ward, Orlando Merced, Bobby Bonilla, Carlos Rivera and, like, Ed Sprague and Dante Bichette also all get injured, and if Lloyd McClendon has an aneurysm or something, J.J. Davis will get some playing time!
Yes! Isn't this completely off the wall? A team going nowhere signs a couple of mediocre veterans to get in the way of one of its better prospects, who also happens to be out of options. Then they try to trade the prospect.
Clearly Bay, Davis, Redman, and Wilson (at the very least) should be getting the vast majority of the PAs in the OF and 1B. Signing one of Mondesi, Simon, or Merced (in roughly that order of usefulness) would make perfectly good sense as long as it was clear their role was 4th OF, backup 1B, etc.
A team in rebuilding mode could use some proven major-leaguers ... but not at the positions at which they have their best prospects. Davis will continue to not get ML experience (at least not with the Pirates, but if he's out of options then someone else might well give him a shot), Wilson will continue to be a platoon player, and next year the Pirates can go through this same charade again.
It was one thing to do it last year when they were able to land Sanders, Lofton, and Stairs. But Mondesi, Simon, and Merced are well below those three ... and the prospects who weren't ready last year are deemed still not ready this year.
Either way, it's a condemnation of the Pirates organization. Either they have to sign vets because they can't develop their top prospects to the point where they're even as good as a 33 year-old Mondesi or they can develop prospects but they're too stupid/scared to let them play. Both those spell continued doom for Pittsburgh in the future.
Yes, that is hard to accept, because it's completely ridiculous. Mondesi will not be on the next good Pirates team, but Wilson or Davis could be. Both of them are also likely to improve, while Mondesi is likely to decline, and both will be relatively cheap the next couple years. If Mondesi has a good year, he will be gone, and the Pirates will still be terrible. Small-market teams must depend on cheap young talent to be successful, and mediocre veterans that are not a substantial improvement over the young talent at hand actively hurt the team's future, especially when that team isn't close to contending. Not to condescend, but...
He's not old. He's not slowing down. He's got someone else paying most of his salary.
Actually he IS old (even if we believe 33 is his real age), he WILL slow down, and no one is paying his salary but the Pirates.
He wanted out of NYC because they wanted to turn him into a platoon player with Karim Garcia.
And he was right for bucking that...judging from what he did as a fulltime guy over the course of the entire season.
Maybe. Maybe not. But it doesn't follow from the idea that he's a league-average right fielder that he's a good fit for the Pirates.
Wilson isn't particularly young. Neither is Davis.
Wilson's 27; Davis is 25. Both much younger than Mondesi and therefore likely to get better, not worse. And they both have to stay with the Pirates the next couple years.
Only if you hit LH. It's a great park for LH power hitters, bad for RH power hitters.
How sad is it that McClendon was right for using Abe Nunez as his primary PH that season? I hope I never again see such a scrubby bench.
I think that Chicago is worse, and I've lived here my whole life rooting for the home teams.
I hate the Cubs, their success pains me. They have a likable team and I love some of their players, but I can't do it. I tried rooting for them last year but it just can't happen. I wish I were more sane. I'm sure that Cub fans would say "we don't need you anyway, too late for the bandwagon."
The Bears had a great 3 year run-18 years ago. Since? One playoff victory, IIRC, and only a couple of token playoff appearances.
The Bulls had the good fortune of drafting Michael Jordan after two other clubs passed on him (Houston defensibly, Portland not so much). He gave them six rings to rule them all, and then the darkness came. They are a lock for their sixth straight lottery, with no end in sight. As an extra kick in the nads, they teased us into thinking they would become great again. No.
The Blackhawks were voted the worst franchise in all of sports, according to an ESPN pool. By their own fans!
My White Sox? They've won exactly zero playoff series in my lifetime. From Jerry Dybzinski overrunning 2nd base in the 7th inning of Game 4 of the 1983 ALCS (as a 13 year old I screamed "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!" at the TV, only to weep as Tito F-ing Landrum homered off a spent Britt Burns in the 10th inning) to Dave Stewart dominating the 1993(?) club (rather than the "proven winnner" Jack McDowell, in a series that featured Bo Jackson whining about PT only to go something like 0-10 with 7 ks when he did play) to the Edgar Martinez homer off Keith Fouke in the 2001 ALDS (I don't think that ball has landed yet, and IMO the team never trusted him again despite his brillance) to teams such as the 2002/2003 squads that looked great-until they took the field; being a White Sox fan is to be set up to fail.
Do I need therapy?
Sure, they may be better in 2004, maybe by as much as 1-2 wins. Yippee.
Prospectus has Mondesi at 6.5 WARP over the last 3 years, most of that last year. So yes, even if Davis were to tank, Mondesi would add about 2 wins to the Pirates. Davis can't really be any worse than that.
Meanwhile the 2005 Pirates will still decide they have no one ready in RF and will decide to sign someone like Mondesi for fear of feeling embarassed more than they already should feel. No risk, no reward.
As I said, the signing of Mondesi or Simon or Merced are justifiable. The signing of all three is not. And none of them will do anything to help the Pirates teams of the future. It's not even clear any of these guys will be flipped for anything worthwhile -- last year the Pirates did not flip Stairs or Sanders and they flipped Lofton essentially for cash (i.e. relief from the Ramirez contract) and Simon for pretty much nothing.
And no, Wilson and Davis aren't young. That is a condemnation of the Pirates approach -- they're now 27 and 25 and we still don't know what they can do over a ML season. Next year they'll be 28 and 26 and we still won't know. How can anyone think this is a good way to run a non-competitive team?
If the Pirates' plan is to not trust their development system and play cheap vets year after year, then this is a doomed franchise until they change that plan.
Sure, they may be better in 2004, maybe by as much as 1-2 wins. Yippee.
Walt's right, but I would like to point out that this is not a sure thing, at all.
Well, that's been their plan since 1998, so I don't know why anyone would expect it to change now. It won't change as long and Kevin McClatchy and company are in charge, because that's what the partnership wants - a team that won't have an embarrassing record.
Perhaps the best thing that Pirate fans can hope for, as awful as it sounds, is for all of this year's veteran patches to implode, and the team to lose 100-110 games *with* Stynes, Mondesi, Simon, et. al. seeing significant time. The problem has been that the imports have worked, sort of; the Bucs haven't been truly awful, and have shown flashes of being halfway decent (management loves to point out that they were over .500 over their last 98 games last year). I think that's unlikely to happen; they're just good enough to post a record similar to last year's, and management will be encouraged yet again.
-- MWE
I won't disagree with that, but in most of those years I wasn't under the impression that they had much minor-league talent to plug in. That could be way off-base of course as I play squat attention to Pittsburgh's system. Of course they still don't have a ton, but there's just no reason to play a Stynes, Mondesi, Simon (not to mention Jack Wilson) over Wilson, Davis, Sanchez, Hill.
Stynes I'd forgotten about until mentioned. What an awful signing. Only once before in his career has a team been dumb enough to give him something close to a full-time job ... and that was last year in Colorado and he posted an 85 OPS+. How weird would it be for Stynes to have his first season with 550+ PA at the age of 31?
I mean I'm to the point of thinking that Bobby Hill ain't every gonna do much, but you'd have to be nuts to make Stynes an everyday player.
But at least Littlefield is no longer making the mistake of signing the mediocre or worse vets to long-term contracts. Granted, that cash is surely ending up in McClatchy's pockets, but it's a step in the right direction.
Of course, all this means is that the names change every year. Everything else stays the same.
Like, say, Randall Simon?
Yeah, he was better in Detroit, but I couldn't resist the straight line.
None, as I'm sure you're aware.
What was the point of bringing those guys up? They don't really have anything in common with each other; you've got a good signing that looked good at the time (Elster), a bad signing that looked good at the time (Kendall), a bad signing that looked justifiable at the time (Young), and two signings that were misguided from the get-go. You've got three long-term contracts, a two-year deal, and a one-year deal. Did you just pick a bunch of transactions at random?
Clearly, the intent was to point out that bad signings for this team are hardly limited to the Littlefield era.
I don't want to harp on this all the time (really, WTM, I don't), but the Pirates have been on this path since 1998, pre-Littlefield. That year's Bucco team lost 25 of its last 30 games, mostly in embarrassing fashion, after a 1997 season in which the Pirates finished second (thanks mostly to several underperforming teams in their own division) and a close-to-.500 record as of mid-August 1998. Following the 1998 season, the voters of Pittsburgh overwhelmingly rejected the initial funding proposal for PNC Park, in part because the avalanche of negative publicity that surrounded the collapse made people more receptive to the arguments of the main opponents of that plan. It took a lot of backdoor politicking and a questionable use of Regional Development Authority funding for a financing package (the infamous Plan B) to make PNC Park a reality, with further negative publicity.
The 1998 collapse was largely blamed on *all of those kids* playing, with Jose Guillen and Aramis Ramirez being the poster boys for the team's need to force unready players into the lineup. It was in the 1998-1999 offseason that the first wave of mediocre veterans arrived -Ed Sprague, Mike Benjamin, Brant Brown, Mike Williams, and Pat Meares - and the team snapped back to a respectable 78-83 record, with some people blaming an ugly injury suffered by Jason Kendall for keeping the team below .500. Ever since then, the team has been consistent in signing marginal veterans to avoid playing those *unready* players. Sometimes those signings have worked - VanderWal in 2000, Lofton, Sanders, and Stairs last year - and sometimes they haven't - Omar Olivares, Armando Rios, Randall Simon. Meanwhile, younger players who demonstrated some talent in the minors - Guillen, Ramirez, Chad Hermansen, Freddy Garcia, Emil Brown, Warren Morris, Enrique Wilson, Craig Wilson - got occasional shots, even full-time play (Morris lasted two seasons), but if they didn't make good quickly, and continuing to play well, they were just as quickly yanked from the lineup amid very public comments about the things that they *weren't* doing. Maybe those players weren't good enough to hold a full-time major-league job - none of the guys who left, except for Guillen last year, has done much since, with the jury still out on Ramirez. But maybe, also, the constant negativity and drumbeating about their perceived shortcomings sapped whatever confidence they had; certainly Hermansen became very tentative at the plate since the Pirates began harping on his strikeouts, and Guillen was the same way until last year.
The Pirates, as an organization, have an attitude that their minor-leaguers have to be *ready* in order to play. That attitude stems from the post-1998 fallout - and IMO it comes directly from the one guy who is still in the same position now as he was then, the managing general partner. I have no doubt that Kevin McClatchy's directive to the GMs is that it's not acceptable for the team to swallow a *rebuilding* year a la Minnesota in 2001 and Detroit last year, and that the team needs to give the *appearance* of being competitive. Young players tend to play only if they are *scrappy*, like Jack Wilson and Rob Mackowiak - even if they don't perform all that well, they're competitors, and they give the *appearance* of a team that's trying its darnedest.
Grin and bear it, guys. We're probably doomed to 75-87 seasons for the foreseeable future - but at least they'll look good.
-- MWE
Part of Singleton's attraction to the Pirates was that he was a "left-handed bat," and they've been desperate to add LH hitting. Being the Pirates, they never ask themselves why it's better to have a LH hitter who can't hit anybody than a RH hitter who can only hit LHPs.
I read somewhere that Singleton might be re-signed by the Pirates if/when his physical problem is no longer a problem.
<i>4/3/2004 12:51:00 PM ET
Pittsburgh Pirates -
Where are you hearing the Benson/Bradley rumors? I have heard lots of speculation from the masses, but not any info that makes me believe it's likely. Do you know of anything substantial?
Yo, Milton. How do you feel about apples? BIG apples? And mascots with a humongous baseball for a head? And the 7 train? How do you feel about the 7 train?
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