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Thursday, December 08, 2005

Red Sox - Acquire Loretta

Boston Red Sox - Acquired 2B Mark Loretta from the San Diego Padres for C Doug Mirabelli.

No complaints here from the Red Sox side.  I would have liked to see Pedroia get the job, but for 2006, I think Loretta’s the better player, assuming the hand injury’s safely in the past.  He’ll only make a little under $4 million and there’s no additional committment required on Boston’s part.  Mirabelli is a terrific backup catcher, but then, he’s a terrific backup catcher.  If having to find a Wakefield-friendly backup catcher is your biggest problem, you’re pretty well set.

This is really odd for the Padres.  All they get in return for the better player is shifting the hole from catcher to second.  Josh Barfield’s probably their best option at 2nd now, and while he’s got a bit of power, he’s not going to match Loretta’s .360 OBP, the latter’s worst performance as a Friar.

Thumbs up for the Luchador.

2006 ZiPS Projections
Player     AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
Loretta     485 89 155 30 1   9 77 49 42   5 .320 .387 .441
Mirabelli   145 15   33   8 0   5 18 15 41   1 .228 .315 .386

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:07 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Artie Ziff Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:24 AM (#1766800)
Ah, we will see. This looks average at best.
   2. rr Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:30 AM (#1766811)
Very foolish move by the Padres, in my opinion. This reeks of Moores trying to help out his old hatchet-man to take the pressure off of him for the Epstein situation.
   3. Darren Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:32 AM (#1766815)
.320 .387 .441

Woah. That is some good ####!
   4. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:32 AM (#1766816)
That's a hell of a projection for Loretta...that's in Fenway, I assume?

I'd be thrilled if he's around his career numbers (~.300/.370/.400). Nice pickup, so long as the Mirabelli/Wakefield factor isn't.
   5. Bromadrosis Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:41 AM (#1766831)
Minaya Minaya Minaya Minaya Castro Minaya Minaya Castro Omar Omar Omar Kaz Minaya Omar Ramon Matsui Loretta Minaya Minaya Asprin Minaya Minaya Minaya Minaya Hara-Kiri Minaya Minaya Minaya Minaya Minaya Minaya Minaya
   6. yb125 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:46 AM (#1766847)
All they get in return for the better player is shifting the hole from catcher to second.

Shifting holes is what KT does every winter, but if this means they aren't trading Eaton then I'm ok with it.
   7. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: December 08, 2005 at 04:54 AM (#1766869)
First Castillo, now Loretta. Apparently it's not a seller's market for unsexy yet consistently above-average and reasonably salaried second basemen. What's next, Adam Kennedy for the Mariner Moose's ball sweat?
   8. rory_b_bellows Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:01 AM (#1766891)
Very odd trade. I can't imagine that it would be Loretta for Mirabelli straight up as Mirabelli only really had one good year (2004) when he only got 150 ABs. Compare that to Loretta's 2004. Loretta is also inexpensive -- only $3.75m for next year. As a Padre fan I would feel more confident about this trade if they had any track record of producing young talent.

As far as trading Eaton, I'm all for it. It you can't have a sub 4.00 ERA in Petco you are worthless. Heck, look at what Pedro Astacio did for them last year! My strategy would to pick up scrap heap pitchers and flip them if they show anything at all.
   9. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:04 AM (#1766901)
So does this make Petunia trade bait?

I'm kidding, Kevin.
   10. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:09 AM (#1766916)
I feel like the padres would've been better off trading for estrada.
   11. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:13 AM (#1766925)
How much does Loretta make? Could this be the only way they could affore Hoffman in '06? And I would take the under any day on Loretta's projection, way too high. .320?
   12. VegasRobb Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:43 AM (#1767042)
Now Burroughs moves to second, right?
   13. yb125 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:51 AM (#1767062)
Burroughs is a Ray now, so I guess it's an early start for Barfield.
   14. VegasRobb Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:51 AM (#1767063)
Nevermind, still playing catch up.

Good luck in Tampa Bay, Sean.
   15. DCW3 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:15 AM (#1767215)
.320 .387 .441

Woah. That is some good ####!

The Mojo (park-adjusted Marcel) projection is very similar: .317/.383/.435. That ranks him second in the AL in projected batting average (behind Suzuki) and third in projected OBP (behind Giambi and Castillo).
   16. Phil Coorey. Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:38 AM (#1767228)
Those are some seriously good numbers for Lorreta Lynn.
   17. rdfc Posted: December 08, 2005 at 08:43 AM (#1767233)
This isn't odd; it's a salary dump of Loretta so they can pay Trevor Hoffman what he wants. So, not coincidentally at all, Trevor Hoffman has re-signed for 2 years for $13.5 with a playing time trigerrable option year. Hoffman really wanted to stay, despite receiving much more significant offers elsewhere, and the Padres wanted to keep Hoffman for off-field reasons as much as on-field reasons.

And unfortunately for the Padres, Loretta is an underrated ballplayer. He was the best 2b in baseball in 2004, and almost no one noticed. A freak peak, yes, but he's still a fine player.

I would've like to see Pedroia get a chance for the Sox, but I obviously can't fault the trade from the Sox point of view. But I do wonder how Tim Wakefield feels about this. Who's gonna catch the knuckler?
   18. Joel W Posted: December 08, 2005 at 02:51 PM (#1767418)
Even Kevin might admit that if ZiPS is correct, Loretta should be Boston's 2b.

Trade Renteria and start Pedroia at SS.
   19. Kyle S Posted: December 08, 2005 at 03:00 PM (#1767431)
where is kevin to tell us that Pedroia is already better than Loretta?

On a more serious note, if Renteria goes to the Braves, does Pedroia become the starting SS?
   20. Mister High Standards Posted: December 08, 2005 at 03:08 PM (#1767446)
I don't understand what the hell the Padres are doing this offseason. Thank frigging god I'm not a Friars fan anylonger.

Good luck Vinay.
   21. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 03:43 PM (#1767520)
I think there is an arguemtn to be made that they will be bette rin 2006. A Cameron, Giles, Johnson/Roberts OF looks better than last year's. Klesko is moving to 1B and should be as good as the Nevin/Nady combo was last year (more OBP). Their bullpen is still strong. And both Hernandez and Loretta missed significant time last year while their backups (my brother, a pads fan, hates Miguel Ojeda) ranged from decent to terrible. And they do have prospects at those two position in Barfield and Kottaras.

While there moves today aren't stellar, they may well be the favorites in 2006, depends on how much older the Giants get.

Anyone know what they are doing concenring Mark Sweeney? They coudl use him as an OBP guy off the bench, though I guess they do have McNulty hanging around still.
   22. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:55 PM (#1767842)
what a fn great trade by the red sox.

the padres must be out of their minds.

good for az, i suppose
   23. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:36 PM (#1768008)
Bobby Hill Padres starting 2b? Dustin Pedroia or Julio Lugo for the Red Sox?
   24. Shalimar Posted: December 09, 2005 at 04:57 AM (#1769155)
Kevin Towers was just on ESPN radio. He said they acquired Mirabelli because their internal catching candidates, Miguel Olivo and Dave Ross, are very young. Olivo will be 27 next season, Ross will be 29. They're either ready now or they never will be. If he evaluates talent the way he evaluates age, Towers needs to find another profession.

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