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Friday, December 02, 2005

Red Sox - Acquired Van Buren

Boston Red Sox - Acquired P Jermaine van Buren from the Chicago Cubs for future considerations.

Why use for $300,000 what you can get for $4,000,000?  Cubs fans shouldn’t be too depressed - if Van Buren finds success in the majors, they’ll just buy him back in 6 years to block the next useful middle reliever they have on hand.

Van Buren isn’t going to wow anyone with his fastball, but he gets a lot out of his low-90s fastball and has been a much improved player since becoming a full-time reliever following his exile to the indies.  I’m not convinced in the least that the Red Sox will actually use him rather than stick him at Pawtucket and sign whatever reliever the Yankees release if the need arises, but I appreciate the effort.  Van Buren will never be make the Jays or Mets regret spending dough on Ryan and Wagner, but he should fashion out a career as a league-averageish reliever

2006 ZiPS Projection - Jermaine van Buren
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W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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3   3 57   0   55   48   27   6 29 56 4.42

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 02, 2005 at 12:03 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:03 AM (#1755881)
well, depending on who the ptbnl is, the sox ought to get more production out of van buren than they got out of proven closer (tm) matt mantei...

it appears the cubs are doing everything they can to lose all of their young cheap relievers; first leicester (sp), now van buren shipped out...

and there are rumors that wellemeyer is on his way out too. i'll be more than happy if the dbacks take a flier on bobby brownlie in the rule 5...
   2. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:09 AM (#1755887)
As I said in the Kinderhook thread, if the Cubs needed to shed folks off their 40man (which they do), I would have hoped it would have been guys like Wellemeyer or Mitre -- who are out of options. They (and now the Red Sox) have 3 option years left on Van Buren and they can use him as a replacement to be parked at the Iowa/Pawtucket level.
   3. Dewey, Crackpot and Soupuss Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:11 AM (#1755889)
The Cubs have a very crowded 40-man, and there's a lot of borderline prospects on there, guys who you don't necessarily want to give up on, but aren't someone you stop everything for.

In one sense, it's a nice problem to have, but on the other hand, it makes all the marginal signings the Cubs are doing all the more perplexing.
   4. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:11 AM (#1755891)
You know Dusty was never going to use Van Buren anyhow. What does it matter if he spent three more years in Iowa? And Mitre/Wellemeyer will be shipped out soon, most likely. The moment the Cubs add Furcal, etc.
   5. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:18 AM (#1755895)
You know Dusty was never going to use Van Buren anyhow. What does it matter if he spent three more years in Iowa?

Because when Dusty decides to get vindictive after Wuertz or Novoa walk a few guys in an inning (which will likely happen), it will be handy to have a guy like Van Buren around to call up. Instead, that guy will probably be a stiff like Koronka.


And Mitre/Wellemeyer will be shipped out soon, most likely.

You would think. My point is that I would ship them out before deciding to ship out Van Buren -- he would be about 4th on my list (releasing Macias at the top, of course).
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:27 AM (#1755897)
dJf, the options is probably what got the Sox interested in the first place, along with Van Buren's stats. I'm sure they called and said, "Mr. Hendry, in a few days you'll be losing this guy on waivers, so why not let us offer you a spare part who won't clog the bases for him?" Hendry can see the writing on the wall, and it's better that he gets something for Van Buren instead of losing him on waivers in a week.
   7. Honkie Kong Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:28 AM (#1755902)
Hmm was he a part of the van Buren boys? does he know the sign?
   8. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:31 AM (#1755904)
ah, godot, i was waiting for you... or rather, for your post.
   9. Honkie Kong Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:32 AM (#1755906)
I slept for 8 in the morning to 7 in the evening :)
I don't think I have ever done that before!! oh well.
and levski, please no..never say that again. it kills me!
   10. chris p Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:36 AM (#1755909)
I slept for 8 in the morning to 7 in the evening :)
I don't think I have ever done that before!! oh well.


oh man i've done that before. it is not fun to wake up well past sunset. i think the only thing to do at that point is to start drinking and hope you pass out at a reasonable hour.
   11. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:51 AM (#1755923)
Possibly, levski, but not necessarily. I'm not convinced that Van Buren was/is among the first guys that the Cubs would/should waive -- he was just the guy the Red Sox wanted.

This raises the question of whether the Cubs tried to peddle Wellemeyer. They could have done this and found no takers (at which point I might consider outrighting/waiving him rather than dealing the optionable Van Buren), but I neither know nor assume this to be true.

I also don't assume that the lack of options makes Wellemeyer untradeable. It would be possible, for instance, that a team might value Wellemeyer to the point that they wouldn't want to risk another team having waiver priority. The Cubs were able to deal Jon Leicester to the Rangers just a few weeks ago, under similar circumstances.
   12. Honkie Kong Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:51 AM (#1755926)
Yea..lots of wine is going to be consumed tonight :)
   13. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1755928)
I thought I saw a rumor of Wellemeyer being on his way out of CHN as well?

I don't remember the details...
   14. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1755929)
levski, please no..never say that again. it kills me!

I don't want to tell you how to name yourself, but when you picked your handle, you invited the comment. (I made it myself once.)
   15. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 02, 2005 at 01:55 AM (#1755931)
I thought I saw a rumor of Wellemeyer being on his way out of CHN as well?

Yeah, I hear he may/may not be going to Colorado. Who knows. If it turns out that they deal Wellemeyer and Mitre and dump Macias, I suppose the order of the deals doesn't matter all that much, but other than the Furcal decision, we can only assume the Cubs priorities match-up with the chronology.
   16. Honkie Kong Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:01 AM (#1755942)
yea, I leave myself open, but it has to stop sometime :)
about time I changed my handle..kept this for 6 months now !

Argh..why don't the braves get Mitre..I kinda like him.could be a good 4th or 5th starter.
   17. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:04 AM (#1755947)
godot, I'm not sure the Braves have the proven veterans that Hendry wants.
   18. Honkie Kong Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:06 AM (#1755949)
true. how about mitre for the promise of not trying to sign Furcal? :)

I am out!
   19. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:08 AM (#1755954)
Judging by Dusty's interview this morning, to be a "proven veteran," all one has to do is:

(a) be over the age of 30; and
(b) be hot over the most recent 2-3 months.
   20. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:12 AM (#1755962)
dJf, the only players who fit that description in atl (and the ones the braves would trade) are probably reitsma and kolb. and they both might be free agents. aside from that, we're eddie perez...
   21. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:20 AM (#1755973)
Well, the Cubs already have four catchers on the 40-man, so I assume Perez is out. I also don't recall Kolb finishing last year particularly well, and the Cubs just satisfied their reliever fetish, so that excludes Reitsma.

I guess the Braves have nothing.
   22. 1k5v3L Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:22 AM (#1755979)
and i suppose andruw jones for mitre won't work, will it?
   23. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: December 02, 2005 at 05:21 AM (#1756232)
Judging by Dusty's interview this morning, to be a "proven veteran," all one has to do is:

(a) be over the age of 30; and
(b) be hot over the most recent 2-3 months.


In practice, (a) is true. (b) is more like "have been hot for at least two weeks of the last two seasons," though the standards can be lessened if there was a shorter hot streak while the player played for Dusty.
   24. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:20 AM (#1756281)
i ###### hate motehrfukcin hendry.
   25. Excel Hearts Choi Posted: December 02, 2005 at 09:35 AM (#1756360)
If the Rangers want to continue to keep taking some of the Cubs players, they could always trade Mark DeRosa for Mitre. He's tough and gritty, and, not too mention, Buck gave him some time in the outfield last year so he has to potential to block more prospects in the Cubs system. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we found the latest member to the F-Troop.
   26. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2005 at 06:21 AM (#1757780)
"There's a reliever named after President Martin Van Buren?"

"Oh, yeah... and he's just as mean as he was!"

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