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Friday, December 22, 2006

Reds - Acquired Conine

Cincinnati Reds - Acquired OF Jeff Conine from the Philadelphia Phillies for OF Javon Moran and IF Brad Key.

The Reds aren’t losing anything here in what they’re giving away as Brad Key’s an infielder who’s not good enough to play in the Midwest League and Javon Moran’s future is as a 5th outfielder for a team with some bad defensive players (hey, the Reds!  Whoops).  Where the Reds are losing is that Conine is probably going to take away at-bats from Chris Denorfia, who’s a better player, and the organization is too cowardly to platoon Conine with Hatteberg after Hatteberg’s fine season.  Not that organizational cowardice is anything new - this is the team that boldly cuts Josh Hancock for being fat and Brandon Claussen for being injured but refuses to take any kind of a stand with players that the average talk radio casual fan has heard of.

Dunn-Griffey-Conine is a really comical defensive outfield - Eric Milton should sue the Reds for violating his rights under the 8th amendment.

Another thumbs-down for the Reds.  Wayne Krivsky’s Problem Solving Policy remains “Look at team, identify hole that Marty Brennaman or Hal McCoy comically rant incoherently about, acquire the most famous, cheapest player Wayne remembers from when he was making Terry Ryan’s coffee or picking up Terry Ryan’s lunch from Gleuk’s on 6th Street with exact change and tip because Wayne can’t figure out what the numbers on different bills signify.

2007 ZiPS Projections
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Player     AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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Conine     406 46 108 24 2   8 57 36 96   2 .266 .333 .394
Moran     278 36   79 10 2   2 14 11 40 13 .284 .316 .356  
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Dan Szymborski Posted: December 22, 2006 at 01:53 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 22, 2006 at 02:37 AM (#2266879)
I am so glad I am not a fan of the Reds. Are there any of those left? Are they planning to kidnap Krivsky and hold him hostage until the Reds hire Chris Antonetti? Because they should be.
   2. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: December 22, 2006 at 02:39 AM (#2266882)
How long until Conine goes to the Orioles?
   3. ColonelTom Posted: December 22, 2006 at 02:48 AM (#2266886)
Better yet, they DFA'd Brendan Harris - who's likely better than any of the guys involved in the deal - to make room for Conine.
   4. frannyzoo Posted: December 22, 2006 at 02:53 AM (#2266893)
At this point, can't a team "acquire" Conine by driving a truck to the docks and having him jump in the back every morning?
   5. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 22, 2006 at 05:38 AM (#2266938)
"Better yet, they DFA'd Brendan Harris - who's likely better than any of the guys involved in the deal - to make room for Conine."

No they didn't. You're joking right? That could not have really happened.
   6. DCW3 Posted: December 22, 2006 at 06:03 AM (#2266946)
and the organization is too cowardly to platoon Conine with Hatteberg after Hatteberg's fine season.

Did Hatteberg really have a "fine season"? Yeah, he was good with the glove, but he was also one of the worst-hitting first basemen in the league.
   7. J. Michael Neal Posted: December 22, 2006 at 06:12 AM (#2266949)
It's "Gluek's." Other than that, spot on
   8. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 22, 2006 at 06:19 AM (#2266951)
Hatteberg hit .289 / .389 / .436 for an OPS+ of 106, which I think qualifies as "fine". Nobody was saying he was a star. He wasn't a radically different player to Kevin Youkilis.
   9. DCW3 Posted: December 22, 2006 at 06:29 AM (#2266957)
Hatteberg hit .289 / .389 / .436 for an OPS+ of 106, which I think qualifies as "fine".

Well, in last year's NL that was good enough for an RCAP of -16, which is pretty crappy. It's really semantics, though: if one were to say "Hatteberg was fine last year," it sounds like he was adequate, but to say that he had a "fine season" makes it sound to me like he was actually good. Anyway, carry on; it was a minor quibble.
   10. zonk Posted: December 22, 2006 at 02:53 PM (#2267047)
Remember when the Reds had a legitimate logjam of talented OFs?

How the mighty have fallen... now they haul in the remains of Jeff Conine as if artificially recreating that logjam will somehow help.

Is it something in the water of Cincy? Krivsky seems to have a lot of Jeff Bowden in him -- some really sharp moves that end up looking like outliers when you factor in his truly bad ones.

I imagine I'd hate playing poker with either of them - not because they're any great shakes, but because they both seem like the types that play moronically -- but always seem to draw those impossible inside straights at the worst possible time for everyone else.
   11. ColonelTom Posted: December 22, 2006 at 03:10 PM (#2267066)
"Better yet, they DFA'd Brendan Harris - who's likely better than any of the guys involved in the deal - to make room for Conine."

No they didn't. You're joking right? That could not have really happened.


I wish I were. Alas, I'm not.
   12. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 22, 2006 at 03:24 PM (#2267078)
"I wish I were. Alas, I'm not."

Jesus, that's just stupid. I really hate to post on a baseball message board and call someone in professional baseball stupid, but man, that is one dumb move.

Dan, do you have the ZIPS for Harris?
   13. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 22, 2006 at 03:26 PM (#2267080)
Nevermind, found them, ZIPS projects a .318/.431 line for Harris.
   14. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 22, 2006 at 03:52 PM (#2267106)
Does it make me old that I remember when Conine was a hot Royals prospect? It sure seems like a long time ago.
   15. JPWF13 Posted: December 22, 2006 at 04:07 PM (#2267121)
"I wish I were. Alas, I'm not."

Jesus, that's just stupid. I really hate to post on a baseball message board and call someone in professional baseball stupid, but man, that is one dumb move.


He'll be 27 in 2007,went from prospect to suspect a while ago.
He's probably just about a league average hitter, so he's probably a better hitter and fielder than somene like a 41 year old Jeff Conine, but no biggie

hey wait a minute....
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 22, 2006 at 04:29 PM (#2267139)
Does it make me old that I remember when Conine was a hot Royals prospect? It sure seems like a long time ago.


GRRRRR!!! They protected David Howard instead of Conine the Barbarian in the expansion draft! HERK ROBINSON!!!!!
   17. Spiked Owen Posted: December 22, 2006 at 04:47 PM (#2267152)
I am so glad I am not a fan of the Reds. Are there any of those left?

Yes, there are still Reds fans. Just not happy Reds fans. Conine is not at all what this club needs. I think Krivsky is trying to replicate the success he had with Aurilia and Hatteberg. It seems the Red's new organizational model is the Giants (with Dunn and Griffey as the road-company Barry Bonds). Ugh!
   18. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 24, 2006 at 10:08 AM (#2268040)
At least Adam Dunn is younger than Jimmy Carter.
   19. The Adam Dunn Effort #44 Posted: December 24, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2268046)
Can we DFA Krivsky? Are there any other 40 year old FA's out there? Maybe Farney will be able to pick the team up.
   20. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 24, 2006 at 02:59 PM (#2268054)
Yes, there are still Reds fans. Just not happy Reds fans.

Well, there are still happy fans that apparently have the IQ of dishwater. Looking at scout.com's Red forums, a lot of people like this move, citing all the retarded OMG CONINE IS TOTALLY CLUTCH AND HAS VETERAN EXPERIENCE AND LEADERSHIP! stuff without a hint of irony.
   21. jingoist Posted: December 24, 2006 at 06:14 PM (#2268093)
I haven't followed the Reds for years; they remind me too much of the 3 teams I do follow (Pirates, Orioles and Nationals).
That said doesn't the Cincinatti farm system have some young stud who would better serve the future by getting playing time over Conine either at 1st base or OF?
Has Griffey now become a liability in CF due to age/injuries?
Conine has an excellant glove but no range in the field; the poster who said an OF made up of Dunn, Griffey and Conine might be comical was probably on target range-wise.
   22. ColonelTom Posted: December 24, 2006 at 06:18 PM (#2268096)
My lasting memory from Conine's tenure with the Phils is watching him flail at sinking line drives in LF. Eric Milton's going to kill himself or Krivsky before the year's out.
   23. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 24, 2006 at 06:35 PM (#2268101)
Conine has an excellant glove but no range in the field; the poster who said an OF made up of Dunn, Griffey and Conine might be comical was probably on target range-wise.

Well, I said is not might! The whole thing is funny - the Reds obsess about infield defense while assembling one of the strongest flyball rotations in recent years backed up by an outfield in which Jeff Conine is the best defensive player.

People wonder how Dave Littlefield would GM if he had a little more money. The wondering is over, Wayne.
   24. fables of the deconstruction Posted: December 24, 2006 at 06:53 PM (#2268104)
How long until Conine goes to the Orioles?

Perish the thought... US Orioles fans have seen that picture show much too often! Only the names change and it's not to protect the guilty either.

DuqFailagan and the inequities of incompetence.

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trevise
   25. Jeff K. Posted: December 27, 2006 at 10:18 PM (#2269561)
You know, I read about this trade when it happened, and I don't remember this thought rolling through my head: Jeff Conine is still playing?

Does it make me old that I remember when Conine was a hot Royals prospect? It sure seems like a long time ago.

Not unless 28 is old, because I remember this.

I stumbled across a Jermaine Dye "Future Star" card the other day. That made me feel a little old.
   26. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 28, 2006 at 07:15 AM (#2269845)
Has Griffey now become a liability in CF due to age/injuries?

Does the Pope #### in the woods?
   27. Spahn Insane Posted: December 29, 2006 at 05:12 PM (#2270848)
I stumbled across a Jermaine Dye "Future Star" card the other day. That made me feel a little old.

A while back I was contemplating how many current (or recent) major league managers appeared on "future star" cards I collected in my youth. THAT made me feel old. Let's see, off the top of my head:

Gardenhire
Brenly
Scioscia
Francona

I remember those 4 for sure, and there are probably others.

Others were rookies after the "future stars" cards were included in the Topps set--Guillen, Girardi, Wedge. Sigh.

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