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Thursday, May 26, 2005

Reds - Jimenez to AA

Cincinnati Reds - Announced that 2B D’Angelo Jimenez accepted an outright assignment to Chattanooga.

Newsworthy only because it’s so unexpected. I guess D’Angelo didn’t take the hint that the Reds wanted to be rid of him - more likely than not, the Reds simply release him now after he doesn’t play a single game for the Lookouts.

2005 ZiPS Projection - D’Angelo Jimenez
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Period AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
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Actual ‘05 105 14 24 7 0 0 5 14 23 2 .229 .325 .295
Rest ‘05 362 47 95 19 3 6 38 50 64 4 .262 .363 .381
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Total ‘05 467 61 119 26 3 6 43 64 87 6 .255 .353 .362

Dan Szymborski Posted: May 26, 2005 at 06:20 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. 1k5v3L

Posted: May 26, 2005 at 06:30 PM (#1363434)

Wha? This means he still collects his paycheck, right? Which wouldn't have been the case if he declined the assignment, right?

2. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: May 26, 2005 at 06:36 PM (#1363453)

He gets to collect his paycheck no matter what happens. It's guaranteed money

3. Traderdave

Posted: May 26, 2005 at 06:43 PM (#1363478)

If he declined, would he then have been FA, or could he have been picked up by any other team, waiver style?

4. Cris E Posted: May 26, 2005 at 06:45 PM (#1363484)

I think declining the assignment makes him a free agent by voiding his contract. He is guaranteed the money, yes, but he has the additional choice to get out of the deal. The option to decline is his, not the team's.

5. Walt Davis Posted: May 26, 2005 at 07:47 PM (#1363672)

This strongly suggests nobody was calling his agent and expressing interest. I know he's got a bad reputation, but no one was even willing to find a bench spot for him?

6. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 26, 2005 at 07:52 PM (#1363690)

For $2.875 million?

If I needed a backup middle infielder and I had a limited budget, I'd rather take a flyer on a guy like, say, Joe Inglett.

7. Statman Posted: May 26, 2005 at 08:26 PM (#1363800)

Could the Reds have agreed to pay part of his contract if another team picked him up, or could they have traded him and picked up part of his contract? After no one claimed him, could they have done a regular trade? IOW, if they had agreed to pick up all but a mil of his contract, wouldn't another team have wanted him. He is probably a steal at a mil per year...

8. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 26, 2005 at 08:30 PM (#1363824)

The guy's next stop may be Japan. Whatever he did, he seems to have worn out his welcome among all the MLB teams.

9. Moses Taylor, Unwavering Optimist Posted: May 26, 2005 at 08:55 PM (#1363894)

Well, the Cubs only have 4 2b right now. They could use another one.

10. NTNgod Posted: May 26, 2005 at 09:06 PM (#1363921)

Could the Reds have agreed to pay part of his contract if another team picked him up, or could they have traded him and picked up part of his contract?

If it was done within the 10 day DFA window, sure.

That appears to be what will happen with Danny Graves.

11. billyshears Posted: May 26, 2005 at 09:09 PM (#1363927)

So much for Jiminez as my fantasy sleeper this year. To think I was thrilled I got him for $1. The Mets could still use him.

12. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 26, 2005 at 09:13 PM (#1363937)

Well, the Cubs only have 4 2b right now. They could use another one.

I would happily give the Reds Macias *and* Wilson for Jiminez.

13. The Balls of Summer Posted: May 26, 2005 at 09:15 PM (#1363938)

For $2.875 million?

If I needed a backup middle infielder and I had a limited budget, I'd rather take a flyer on a guy like, say, Joe Inglett.

He cleared waivers, so if he would have refused his assignment, he would be a free agent. I'm pretty sure that if a team signed him, they would only have to pay a pro-rated portion of the minimum salary, with the Reds picking up the rest.

14. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 26, 2005 at 09:29 PM (#1363961)

I'm pretty sure that if a team signed him, they would only have to pay a pro-rated portion of the minimum salary, with the Reds picking up the rest.

If that's the case, I'd probably rather have Jimenez than an Inglett/Scutaro type of guy.

That said, I don't know how bad the "attitude issues" that we keep hearing about really are.

15. Nobody ##### with DeJesus Posted: May 26, 2005 at 11:04 PM (#1364142)

The guy's next stop may be Japan. Whatever he did, he seems to have worn out his welcome among all the MLB teams.

You're right. If his behavior is so bad that no team in North America wants him, I'm sure Japanese teams will be clamoring for his services.

16. NTNgod Posted: May 26, 2005 at 11:08 PM (#1364157)

If his behavior is so bad that no team in North America wants him, I'm sure Japanese teams will be clamoring for his services.

Is Izzy Alcantara still playing in Japan?

17. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 26, 2005 at 11:14 PM (#1364174)

A number of former AAAA malcontents have gone on to spend a few years in Japan, some with good results. He obviously isn't going to attract a *lot* of interest, but he is a 2B/3B with a broad, albeit underwhelming skill set.

18. The Original SJ Posted: May 26, 2005 at 11:24 PM (#1364210)

remember when the Yankees trade him instead of Soriano, and everyone thought it was a huge mistake.

19. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 26, 2005 at 11:27 PM (#1364216)

remember when the Yankees trade him instead of Soriano, and everyone thought it was a huge mistake.

Most of the praise for Jimenez came before he had his neck injury, from which he never quite recovered.

20. The Original SJ Posted: May 26, 2005 at 11:30 PM (#1364227)

but are attitude issues related to neck issues?

21. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 26, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1364243)

I don't know. But had he not been injured and had lived up to expectations, then I expect that his attitude would not be a big enough problem to justify getting rid of him.

22. Flynn Posted: May 27, 2005 at 01:35 AM (#1364649)

You're right. If his behavior is so bad that no team in North America wants him, I'm sure Japanese teams will be clamoring for his services.
They'll be far more ignorant of how bad his behavior was, with the language and geographical barriers. I think most teams will see "STARTING SECOND BASEMAN FOR MLB TEAM AVAILABLE!!!!!1111" before they see \"#######\".

23. NTNgod Posted: May 27, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1364685)

MLB.com's story on the AA assignment:

"He was put on outright waivers," general manager Dan O'Brien said of Jimenez. "Any ballclub could have claimed him for a $20,000 waiver fee. There were no claims. At this time, there was minimal interest in trade possibilities."

24. Dan Szymborski

Posted: May 27, 2005 at 02:49 AM (#1364910)

Wouldn't they see the Japanese version of the English Phrase?

BEGINNING SECOND MAN OF BASE FOR MLB GROUP AVAILABLE!!!!!!1111

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