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Thursday, March 31, 2005

Rockies - Acquired Kim

Colorado Rockies - Acquired P Byung-Hyun Kim from the Boston Red Sox for C Charles Johnson and P Chris Narveson

Johnson’s irrelevant here and already gone from the Red Sox.

Kim’s got the funky delivery that some people on the site have suggested has been a plus for Coors Field pitchers.  The problem still remains, however, that Kim’s fastball is gone and his arm is probably shot or at the very least, needs a whole lot more doctorin’.  For all the stuff bandied about Kim, I think he’s handled it about as well as most people could; being in a foreign culture, injured, and losing your best talent and possibly, your job,  has to be quite a downer.  The Rockies will use him in the bullpen, the only place he should be now, but he’s not the pitcher he used to be.

The money going around is sorta difficult to track.  Let’s just say the Red Sox are eating some amount of money so that they could get Chris Narveson.  Narveson was previously a Cardinal prospect before going to Colorado in the Walker trade.  Nothing’s very impressive about Narveson; both his stats and stuff are quite ordinary and there’s no star potential.

Ignore that Kim projection; the computer doesn’t know how badly his arm is mangled.

2005 ZiPS Projections
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Player       W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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Kim         8   6 50 13   96   93   42   9 28 85 3.94
Narveson     8 12 26 26 146 158   92 21 76 90 5.67

Dan Szymborski Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:14 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mikαεl Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1225339)
The thing with Kim, though, is that he swears he isn't hurt.

And Red Sox management swears he isn't hurt. I assume they must have done the MRIs and the examinations and everything. The Sox doctors have a pretty weak track record, but, still, it adds another knot to an already complicated picture.

Kim says his balance and timing are off, and that he used a strength training method in Japan during the '03-'04 offseason that messed up his body. I have no idea what any of that means, but that's what he says.

The problem has to be physical - well, I guess unless he's been dogging it for two years and suddenly starts throwing 90 with movement in Colorado, but that's unlikely. I tend to think it isn't an injury, though that makes everything even weirder. I could call it a "mechanical problem," but that's just begging the question.

Good luck, BK.
   2. Mikαεl Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:45 PM (#1225348)
One really interesting thing from the other thread was ChadBradfordWannabe's analysis of Kim's slider.

He said it's the same slider, but it bites downward, slowly, because Kim can't give it enough velocity. If he were throwing it as hard as he used to, it would regain the up-up-and-away break.

So, the drop in velocity, then, is eve more central to Kim's problems than I had thought. He effectively lost both of his pitches due to the drop in speed.
   3. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1225352)
Well, SOMETHING's definitely wrong with his arm. He's lost 5-8 MPH off the fastball and the slider is no longer snapping the way it used to.

I would love to see a split screen view of his motions: 1 from 2002-2003 or so, and 1 from 2004. I'll bet there are significant differences.
   4. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1225355)
I really don't get what this does for the Red Sox.
   5. SG Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:50 PM (#1225359)
They get a middling prospect and dump a headcase.
   6. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:53 PM (#1225361)
It gets rid of an enigma that was taking up a roster spot. It's a plus because they honestly had no idea what to do with him any more.
   7. Mikαεl Posted: March 31, 2005 at 03:53 PM (#1225363)
Vlad -

Kim's a 5-year vet, so he could refuse assignment to the minors if he chose. I assume this trade implicitly acknowledges that he decided that he would have refused assignment. If they could have stashed Kim in AAA and chose not to, then that's pretty dumb.

In his current state, BK shouldn't be pitching in ballgames which the Red Sox are trying to win. So, given that he couldn't be removed from the 25-man and he shouldn't be on the 25-man, the Sox were stuck trading him.

The money seems to work out as a wash due to the intricacies of salary cap, and the Sox get a marginal prospect.
   8. jeff angus Posted: March 31, 2005 at 04:20 PM (#1225398)
Did anyone watch Johnson play at least half a dozen games last season? Does he have any value at all to any team as a defensive back-up catcher, or is his arm really gone?
   9. Toolsy McClutch Posted: March 31, 2005 at 04:47 PM (#1225438)
I blame steriods. For the trade, not for Kim's pitching 'issues'.
   10. 1k5v3L Posted: March 31, 2005 at 04:51 PM (#1225443)
And Red Sox management swears he isn't hurt. I assume they must have done the MRIs and the examinations and everything.

Yup, they also said Lyon was healthy, both when he was sent to Pitt, and when he was sent to AZ. And Fossum was the healthiest Red Sock on record when he was shipped to the Dbacks. In fact, I think Theo is taking night classes at Harvard Med School so he can diagnoze his pitchers better. A smart kid, he is.
   11. D Posted: March 31, 2005 at 05:31 PM (#1225476)
In fact, I think Theo is taking night classes at Harvard Med School so he can diagnoze his pitchers better. A smart kid, he is.

Is this a joke?
   12. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: March 31, 2005 at 05:46 PM (#1225509)
RE: Kim's slider
Mikael, I believe Kim still throws his slider hard enough for it to have it's (like you say) up-up-and away bite. Bradford throws his at 68 mph and still has an upward tilt to it. OK, not upward, but it stays up longer. True, the don't have the same release points. If Bradford throew his slider at 78, it would be the sickest thing imaginable. In the games I saw, Kim was throwing his at 76-78mph. A slight adjustment and he has the upshoot. If you can picture it, the higher you release a slider/curveball/breaking pitch the more downward bite it will have b/c of the spin you will put on it. I think if he just gets a little lower, and really tries to frisbee it upwards with his fingers underneath rather than a little to the side, we will see the upshoot.
That being said, I think we've seen the end of BK's 84 mph upshoot, ubersick slider
   13. Crafty Lefty Posted: March 31, 2005 at 06:04 PM (#1225548)
Did anyone watch Johnson play at least half a dozen games last season? Does he have any value at all to any team as a defensive back-up catcher, or is his arm really gone?

He's not the defensive stud he used to be, but he still handles a pitching staff pretty well and would probably be solid in a backup role as a smart catcher with some pop.
   14. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 31, 2005 at 06:28 PM (#1225591)
Hey CBW,

Could you email me your birthdate? I wanted to add you to my ZiPS projections and DMB disk for the year, if that's OK with you.
   15. ChicagoTRS Posted: March 31, 2005 at 06:54 PM (#1225628)
Kim is obviously off the juice...lost a lot of speed on his ball. ;-)
   16. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: March 31, 2005 at 07:04 PM (#1225641)
Szymbo,
it's 2/14/78....my guess is that my projection would really suck, even though I'm moving into my "prime"
   17. akrasian Posted: March 31, 2005 at 07:58 PM (#1225712)
I heard elsewhere (on a Rockies board) that this trade will actually save Boston about a million, all told. The luxury tax is calculated on the 40 man roster; Kim is off of the 40 man roster, and CJ was never added to it, so while they are paying CJ's salary, they won't get taxed on it.

Not sure if that's accurate, but if it is, a prospect and a million dollars for Kim sounds like a good deal.
   18. bibigon Posted: March 31, 2005 at 08:52 PM (#1225762)
Well, it's a fictional million dollars, since they're still paying it, just not being taxed on it.
   19. akrasian Posted: March 31, 2005 at 09:05 PM (#1225771)
No, the million is the net less they'll have to pay for the luxury tax. Figure if they'd cut Kim, they would have had to pay 25% on the 6 million they'd owe Kim. The way the deal is structured currently, they owe about $400k in salary more than if they'd kept Kim. Figure $400k from the $1.5 million is just over $1 million in actual dollars the Red Sox won't spend.
   20. philly Posted: March 31, 2005 at 09:07 PM (#1225775)
The Herald has it that the Sox are saving about 1M off their taxable payroll with actual savings more in the 300-400k range.
   21. akrasian Posted: March 31, 2005 at 09:52 PM (#1225813)
If it's $400k, then that would make it truly neutral in cost. So for the carcass of a guy they were going to dfa, they got an okay prospect without spending any money.
   22. Nobody ##### with DeJesus Posted: April 01, 2005 at 09:52 AM (#1226633)
CBW and I have the same birthday. Cool.
   23. CraigK Posted: April 01, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1226921)
And I was born on 2/13/87.

Nine years and a day early.

Cool.

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