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Thursday, December 20, 2007

Rockies - Signed Redman, Kip

Colorado Rockies - Re-signed P Mark Redman to a 1-year contract; signed P Kip Wells to a 1-year contract.

Wells is in the $3 million range.  I haven’t seen anything for Redman yet, but I’d be shocked if it was more than $750K-$1M or so.

If someone here has Dan O’Dowd’s ear, please tell the guy that Josh Fogg’s 93 ERA+ the last 2 years and 1 good playoff start aren’t really enough to invalidate the time-honored tradition of it not being a good plan to sign veteran starting pitchers that even the Pirates couldn’t pretend were any good.  The last time the Pirates dumped an established major league starting pitcher for being downright awful and had it come back to haunt them?  Mike Bielecki, I believe.

Since some injury issues, the only positive thing Wells has done was to bring a smile to the faces of Cardinals ticketholders at the moment they looked in the newspaper or on the scoreboard and saw that the game they planned on/were attending didn’t feature Mike Maroth as the starting pitcher.  And Redman’s season was worse!  It takes a magical kind of suck to get a major league contract after a 1.63 WHIP and a K/9 under 5 at AAA.

Anyway, I have a proposition for O’Dowd.  I’ll barf on his desk for $100,000 and he’ll come out of the bargain no worse off and his organization $3.5-$4 million richer!

2008 ZiPS Projection - Mark Redman
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        W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA   ERA+
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Projection 6 10 26 25 145 170   90 18 58 72 5.59   85
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Opt. (15%)  9   9 29 28 165 176   85 15 52 93 4.64   102  
Pes. (15%)  4   9 22 21 116 149   87 20 52 50 6.75   70
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Top Comps:  Shane Rawley, Dennis Rasmussen

 

2008 ZiPS Projection - Kip Wells
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        W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA   ERA+
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Projection 8 14 30 25 153 167   97 23 84 101 5.71   83
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Opt. (15%) 11 11 31 26 159 160   80 18 72 109 4.53   104
Pes. (15%)  5 12 23 19 111 134   82 21 69 65 6.65   71
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Top Comps:  Steve McCatty, Dan Petry

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 20, 2007 at 04:21 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. nymusix Posted: December 20, 2007 at 05:09 AM (#2650432)
Almost identical projections. Interesting.
   2. Sparkles Peterson Posted: December 20, 2007 at 05:23 AM (#2650438)
Did you mix up their ERAs or their ERA+s?
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 20, 2007 at 05:30 AM (#2650442)
Did you mix up their ERAs or their ERA+s?

Oops! Their ERA+s. I'll fix it in a minute.
   4. Tor Posted: December 20, 2007 at 05:36 AM (#2650446)
The last time the Pirates dumped an established major league starting pitcher for being downright awful and had it come back to haunt them? Mike Bielecki, I believe.


Wakefield?
   5. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 20, 2007 at 05:50 AM (#2650451)
Wakefield wasn't really an established major leaguer at the time - he spent the entire 1994 season pitching terribly for Buffalo.

Even Bielecki as established might be a stretch. Before that, I think you have to go back to Jerry Reuss.
   6. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 20, 2007 at 06:13 AM (#2650462)
The last time the Pirates dumped an established major league starting pitcher for being downright awful and had it come back to haunt them? Mike Bielecki, I believe.


Oliver Perez? I don't know what you meant by "dumped". If you meant "released" then OP doesn't count, but if you meant "dumped as part of a crappy trade" than OP has already bit them in the arse.

Considering I am an Angel fan and not at all invested in the Mets or Pirates, I am way too excited to see Perez putting it back together. I grab him in my fantasy league every year because I have a soft spot for that guy.
   7. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 20, 2007 at 06:14 AM (#2650463)
Doh!

than = then.

No edit feature on the TO?

Bummer.
   8.     Hey Gurl Posted: December 20, 2007 at 06:31 AM (#2650469)
Nothing to say about David Eckstein, Szymbo?

Yeah, me neither.
   9. Excel Hearts Choi Posted: December 20, 2007 at 01:25 PM (#2650522)
Say what you will about Redman, but the Rangers picked him up last year, and had his stashed away in AAA. Brandon McCarthy had big shoes to fill as a lot of Ranger fans really liked Danks. So when McCarthy's season got off to a rough start, he went back to the minors for blisters on his throwing hand (early June). When he came back to the majors, he was a better pitcher until an injury shut him down for the rest of the year. McCarthy credited his improvement due to conversations he had with Redman. Now, this is not to say that signing Redman was a steal for the Rockies; but as a fan of a team who needs to develop pitching, any help is always welcomed. So at the very least, I hope that Redman can help some of the young Rockies pitchers.
   10. rawagman Posted: December 20, 2007 at 01:35 PM (#2650529)
8. Shock Posted: December 20, 2007 at 01:31 AM (#2650469)

Nothing to say about David Eckstein, Szymbo?


Yeah. How could this dreck get attention, but Supoer Dave Ecksbourne to the Jays gets nothing?
   11. Steve Posted: December 20, 2007 at 02:17 PM (#2650553)
I think that you are missing the sublelty in this. The Wells signing makes the Redman look good.
   12. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 20, 2007 at 02:42 PM (#2650570)
Eckstein kinda got buried in the Mitchell Onslaught - I'll write him up now.
   13. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: December 20, 2007 at 02:49 PM (#2650575)
The last time the Pirates dumped an established major league starting pitcher for being downright awful and had it come back to haunt them? Mike Bielecki, I believe.


Bronson Arroyo?
   14. The Essex Snead Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:13 PM (#2650589)
Arroyo wasn't established in the slightest, unless 19 mediocre starts spread over 3 years counts. It's only in Boston that he began receiving regular starting reps.
   15. The Essex Snead Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:14 PM (#2650590)
Watch out for Ryan Vogelsong, though.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:28 PM (#2650617)
Those ERAs seem low. These guys are awful.
   17. The District Attorney Posted: December 20, 2007 at 08:13 PM (#2650995)
Rockies - Signed Redman
Whut? Thee Signing
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 20, 2007 at 09:46 PM (#2651094)
Watch out for Ryan Vogelsong, though.


Too bad they don't know that in Japan.

Bear with it while they're disputing the call at second base. It gets better.
   19. jwb Posted: December 21, 2007 at 08:29 PM (#2651806)
His glove says "VOGE". Does he have Madonna theme music as he warms up?
   20. 1k5v3L Posted: December 21, 2007 at 09:31 PM (#2651843)
Well, I hear the schools in Colorado are just phenomenal.

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