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Tuesday, March 30, 2004

San Diego Padres

Released C-OF Tom Wilson and P Kevin Walker.

Biff will find another job as his recent few years have given him that “Proven Major League Catcher Man” that took him a decade to earn (and rightfully so).  The Padres have decided to go with Miggy Ojeda in backing up Hernandez.

Dan Szymborski Posted: March 30, 2004 at 03:35 PM | 1 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Robert Dudek Posted: August 03, 2001 at 08:52 AM (#551675)
I think the Padres aren't even in the same ballpark as the Anaheim Angels in this regard. The Padres have been very bad, and they've been pretty good at times.

Anaheim/California/LA Angels have almost always been near the .500 mark. I ran an analysis of team WPCT over a 5-year stretch. I calculated a rolling 5-year WPCT e.g. Cincy 1971-75,Cincy 72-76 etc.

I defined a great/excellent team as one which reached a level of .540 or better and a very bad team as one which was below .460.

The Astros (until the mid-90s) and the Angels are the only teams in the last half century to be consistently in the .460-.540 range.

The Astros began life near the median in the 66-70 period and stayed there until the 94-98 period.

The Angels have lived near the median all their lives except for two brief dips below the .460 line: 73-77 (.4561) and 92-96 (.4537).

The Angels have been truly average throughout their entire history.

The Astros and the Angels have one other common trait - neither has ever won a playoff series.
   2. Geoff Young Posted: December 12, 2001 at 12:13 AM (#552090)
As a Padres fan, this is depressing. Davis actually was starting to come around with the bat early last year before tailing off toward the end. I expect him to put together some nice Mike Lieberthal type years before too long.

The other problem is the ripple effect this has on the lineup and starting rotation. I'm assuming Towers grabbed Tomko to stick in the rotation right now, which suggests to me Kevin Jarvis won't be back, which in turn suggests there were no takers for Ray Lankford, which means Bubba Trammell likely returns to the bench for the time being.

Davis => Gonzalez; okay short-term, bad long-term
   3. Old Matt Posted: December 12, 2001 at 12:42 AM (#552093)
Let me say first that I have absolutely nothing to back this up with, but that said...is it possible that the Padres would be considering moving Nevin back to catcher? If that were the case, this deal looks a hell of a lot better for them, as they free up room for Burroughs to claim that third base job and improve substantially (offensively, anyway) in the catcher spot. Either way, getting Tomko and the potential of Vazquez, I think they made a pretty decent deal here.
   4. Geoff Young Posted: December 12, 2001 at 01:26 AM (#552095)
Matt:

Nevin has a better chance of moving to second base, which actually was discussed a few months back, than he does of moving back behind the plate, which he basically did originally to salvage his career.

My guess is that Burroughs will be at 3B, with Nevin at 1B, Klesko in RF, Lankford/Trammell platoon in LF, and one of Jackson/Jimenez at 2B.

Tomko will slot behind Jones, Tollberg, and Lawrence, and in front of whomever wins the #5 spot among Middlebrook, Jodie, Herndon, and maybe Ramsay.

I confess I know very little about Vazquez, though I'm encouraged by the fact that most of what I've heard since the deal went down has been fairly positive.

One thing I've learned about Kevin Towers is that he usually knows what he's doing. I was very critical of his Sanders for Hitchcock, and Hamilton for Woody Williams deals, and those both turned out nicely for the Pads, so I'll try to hold off judgment, but I'm not at all happy to see Davis leave.
   5. Steve Treder Posted: December 12, 2001 at 01:48 AM (#552096)
After the froth boils off, the deal will essentially amount to Davis for Vazquez. I don't know Vazquez; maybe he'll turn out to be a terrific player and the deal will turn out great for the Padres. But I do know Davis, and in my judgment the Padres are giving up on him just when he seems to be about ready to turn the corner. And a fully realized Ben Davis would be one hell of a player: a switch-hitting catcher with power and solid defense. And Wiki Gonzalez will never, never come close to being that player.

I think it's too soon for the Padres to be looking for help for Jiminez at short, and I think it's too soon for the Padres to be giving up on Davis. I think they would have been better off giving both Jiminez and Davis another full year and seeing what happens then.

Trading a prospect for a veteran player can be a smart move for a team that is ready to win right now (which the Padres aren't). Trading a veteran player for a prospect can be a smart move for a team that's focused on the future (which the Padres should be). But as a general rule, trading a prospect for a prospect accomplishes nothing. That's what it appears to me the Padres have done here, and I'm not impressed.
   6. Robert Dudek Posted: December 12, 2001 at 02:50 AM (#552101)
I know the M's have pitching prospects coming out of the woodwork, but I wouldn't trade Pineiro for anyone. I just think that it feels good when you have a young starter in the rotation that you developed yourself. As a Jays' fan I get a warm glow thinking about how Roy Halladay has seemingly come back from oblivion and now has a chance to be a great pitcher.

I'd keep Pineiro over Meche and I wonder if Meche and a couple others would be enough to pry Giles away from Pittsburgh.
   7. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 12, 2001 at 03:08 AM (#552102)
Giles is apparently stewing over the fact that he signed a less-than-market deal which has four years to run (a lot of the comments are coming from his agent, surprise, surprise). If he is traded, he can use the "trade-me-or-I'm-a-free-agent" clause after a year to leverage a better deal, which he clearly can't do as long as he's with the Pirates. Unfortunately for Giles, I suspect other teams have figured that out, too, and won't offer the Pirates anything they are likely to accept.

Peter Angelos (see link under Homepage) apparently put the kibosh on a 7-player deal with the Padres in which the key players were Mike Bordick and LHP John Parrish for Baltimore and Ray Lankford and Mike Darr for the Padres, before the Orioles signed Marty Cordova. If I'd been Angelos I'd have taken that deal in a flash.

-- MWE
   8. Geoff Young Posted: December 12, 2001 at 06:26 AM (#552103)
Vinay:

Now that I've had a chance to watch the local news, it definitely sounds like they're planning to start Jimenez at 2B. He won't be as good defensively as Jackson (who is?), but his offense should make up for that. Jackson in a utility role is appealing. He's spectacular at 2B, good in CF, and passable at SS in a pinch.

Agree about Lankford. He still looked clueless at times, especially on hard stuff up, but he also had some very good at-bats. He also showed a lot more defensively than I'd expected, even playing some decent CF when Kotsay was hurt toward the end. I'm more just bummed that Trammell is likely to lose PT even after having a fine season but you're right that he'll have to get almost all of Lankford's at-bats against lefties, and he'll probably spot Klesko and/or Nevin every now and again.

It's an interesting trade, to be sure. Like Steve, I'm not convinced giving up on Davis or Jimenez (at SS) so soon was such a good idea, but time will tell.
   9. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 12, 2001 at 03:30 PM (#552104)
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that the White Sox have looked at a deal for Giles. The Pirates reportedly want Buehrle and Carlos Lee *among others*; the White Sox are reluctant to move Buehrle but could dig into their stable of young arms (Garland, Wells, Rauch, et. al.). The Pirates really have all of the leverage, IMO.

Lots of other interesting rumors in that Tribune article, probably worthy of a thread of its own.

-- MWE
   10. Geoff Young Posted: December 12, 2001 at 05:42 PM (#552105)
SD Union-Tribune is reporting that Towers is now looking to move Lankford and some combination of Darr, Damian Jackson, and Bobby Jones for (gulp) Carl Everett.

This is not shaping up to be a happy winter for Pads fans.
   11. Geoff Young Posted: December 13, 2001 at 05:42 PM (#552108)
Eaton likely will miss the 2002 season following Tommy John surgery this past August. Presumably they will spare the rest of the arm. ;-)

On a brighter note, a clause in Bobby Jones' contract has kept Carl Everett from coming to San Diego....
   12. Josh Posted: January 24, 2002 at 08:39 PM (#553147)
He definately deserves Hall-of-Fame consideration. If he doesn't get at least 15% of the BBWAA votes, I might just start my own Hall-of-Fame.
   13. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: January 25, 2002 at 12:01 AM (#553152)
A middle reliever? He'd need to come in from the bullpen on a motorcycle and jump it through a flaming hoop and over 10 cars to get enough attention. (Okay, he'd probably only have to do it once a month or so, but still...) And anyway, Reed shouldn't go in until Lindy McDaniel does.
   14. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 27, 2002 at 04:47 AM (#553157)
White loses style points for 2001. Reed gets credit for never getting beat up with the Rockies over 5 years.
   15. NTNgod Posted: January 31, 2002 at 02:24 AM (#553625)
I still think Vazquez has the first crack at the position. I'd see Cruz as more of a cheap (I'm assuming) insurance policy. A guy with a .293 career OBP is not someone I see Towers drooling over.

However, if Vazquez doesn't come through, the Pads will now still have themselves covered. Assuming the Pads believe Jimenez is a 2B, not a SS, what would have been the fallback for the Pads? Mendez?
   16. Geoff Young Posted: January 31, 2002 at 02:31 AM (#553626)
I haven't heard any official comments yet, but my guess is Cruz will spell Vazquez at short against tough lefties, and maybe play some other positions as well. Which might mean bye-bye Damian Jackson.

Wild speculation here, but since Boston missed on Pokey Reese, might they be interested in acquiring Jackson? He's essentially the same player as Reese.
   17. Floyd Thursby Posted: January 31, 2002 at 02:32 AM (#553627)
Cruz hit .290/.310/.400 in Comerica as a 24-year old in 2000. His last year was abysmal, but he's young enough to take a flyer on. You could definitely do worse for the bench.

Vazquez isn't exactly A-Rod circa '95.
   18. NTNgod Posted: January 31, 2002 at 02:44 AM (#553629)
QUOTE: The Padres can get another sub-.300 OBP "proven" guy if the mood hits them

Yeah, they just have to call Littlefield. The Pirates seem to have a nice collection of them started....
   19. Brian Posted: January 31, 2002 at 03:04 AM (#553630)
Unless they gave him a multi-million dollar contract, I don't think Cruz is a bad player to take a chance on. Yes, he absolutely tanked last year, and his defense has been going downhill two years running, but its not like that's old age doing that, and there's no reason to think he can't reverse those trends. If he gets back to previous form, the Padres have a terrific defensive shortstop who can hit for power. Not bad at all.
   20. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 31, 2002 at 03:05 AM (#553631)
I have no problem with Cruz as a cheap insurance option, but I'm not sure if that's why they picked him up.
   21. Geoff Young Posted: January 31, 2002 at 04:28 AM (#553634)
The Padres actually had to trade something to get Vazquez; Cruz was available for free to anybody who wanted him for months.

Personally, I'm happier with what Towers gave up to get Cruz than what he gave up to get Vazquez. Sure, Cruz is no world-beater, but the guy's only 26 years old. He's cheap, and he'll be a heckuva lot more useful than Donaldo Mendez should Vazquez flop. My biggest question is, if Vazquez doesn't flop, can Cruz play enough positions well enough to deem Damian Jackson expendable? If so, where does Jackson go and what do the Pads get in return for him?

Or, pipe dream scenario: Cruz gets off to a hot start; some team in desperate need for a shortstop calls Towers and gives him the next Tankersley in return; Towers then re-acquires Cruz off waivers two months later.
   22. Brian Posted: January 31, 2002 at 04:53 AM (#553635)
"Regarding Cruz's slide, and Brian's remark that "it's not like that's old age doing that," I think I've seen some speculation that Cruz might have other "issues" that are doing it, in which case a guaranteed 1-year deal does represent something of a risk."

What kind of speculation? And what are the "issues"? I'm not saying its a guarantee that he'll bounce back, but whatever the issue is, it probably has a better chance of going away than old age does.
   23. NTNgod Posted: January 31, 2002 at 05:17 AM (#553636)
Well, since his slide started, there's a couple of stories/theories I know I've seen floating around:

1. He bulked up too much by weightlifting - the "Ruben Sierra" syndrome

2. He's on the same "vitamin" diet as Bret Boone

3. He's on a similar diet to number 2, but more 'recreation-oriented', shall we say.

If any one of these is/was true, that's where the risk comes in, is the school of thought.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 31, 2002 at 04:39 PM (#553640)
Cruz's range factors (at SS) over the last 5 years:

Cruz/League
   25. Geoff Young Posted: January 31, 2002 at 06:55 PM (#553641)
Towers confirms in this morning's U-T that Cruz is, indeed, a backup plan. For a team going whose starting left side of the infield has a grand total of 35 big-league at-bats, that seems like a good idea to me. Cruz is young and cheap. He's not likely to take large amounts of playing time from guys like Vazquez and Burroughs, but he's available to spell one or both against tough lefties or if other needs arise. Personally, I'll be surprised if he gets more than 250-300 PAs, if that. This is a very low risk signing, with very little downside.
   26. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 31, 2002 at 07:39 PM (#553642)
Virtually any SS other than Tony Womack can play a competent 2B,

I think this is a common misconception. The 2B makes a lot of plays moving away from 1B, including all of his DP pivots, more than SS do. That requires a different set of skills than is normally required for SS.

-- MWE
   27. NTNgod Posted: January 31, 2002 at 08:41 PM (#553644)
Well, if you're going to break out the range factors, I'll break out the Zone Ratings :)

Cruz's .797 was LAST among 27 qualifying shortstops

Cruz's career ZRs:
   28. NTNgod Posted: January 31, 2002 at 08:50 PM (#553645)
Quick addition:
   29. NTNgod Posted: February 01, 2002 at 03:31 AM (#553848)
I believe it's the Expos trading his rights to the Rangers that led to the creation of the 'Incaviglia rule' - i.e. no trading of drafted players for a year - if memory serves me right.

Now all they have to do is dig up Oddibe McDowell, and all 3 members of Bobby V's '86 Rangers outfield (Incaviglia, McDowell, Sierra) would be going to Spring Training.....
   30. NTNgod Posted: February 01, 2002 at 04:34 AM (#553851)
Well, with that .353/.410/.556 line he posted at Newark, Syd should have known Pete would be in demand.

How does Bubba Trammell feel about this? The Padres keep bringing in all these old outfielders (Gant, Inky).

I suppose if he was going to develop a complex about it, it would have happened several teams ago :)
   31. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: February 01, 2002 at 03:40 PM (#553853)
How about Rob Deer?
   32. Big Ed Posted: February 01, 2002 at 08:29 PM (#553855)
Jaime Navarro signed a minor-league with the Cards, according to the Chicago Tribune. They'll be sorry if they bring him up.
   33. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: February 01, 2002 at 09:36 PM (#553856)
Hey Dan, how 'bout a friendly side bet? Inky makes the team and plays in the bigs this year. I guarantee it.
   34. Geoff Young Posted: February 01, 2002 at 10:47 PM (#553858)
NTNgod:

I can't imagine any of this affects Bubba all that much. With Lankford around, he wasn't going to start anyway. One of Gant or Inky (probably Gant) will be the second RH outfielder, platooning with Lankford in LF. The only way I can see both Gant and Inky making the team is if Trammell is dealt. The only way I can see Trammell landing a starting job in SD is if Lankford is dealt. Of the two scenarios, Trammell being traded seems more likely to me. But I'm not sure how keen anyone would be on starting the season with both Gant and Inky on the big-league roster. More likely, Inky is Gant insurance.

That's what it looks like from here anyway.
   35. NTNgod Posted: February 01, 2002 at 11:43 PM (#553859)
Keith - Mark Whiten is an NRI for the Dodgers (surprise)

Geoff - I know; it was more of a comment that, over the years, the guy usually seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time for getting PAs :)
   36. Geoff Young Posted: February 02, 2002 at 01:40 AM (#553860)
NTNgod:

Yeah, that's true about Bubba's PAs. Kind of the righty VanderWal. Finally gets his chance, shows that he can get it done, then gets relegated to part-time status anyway.
   37. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: March 11, 2002 at 08:02 PM (#555319)
Given Towers' good track record, I give him the benefit of the doubt on Jarvis. The cost-certainty of his contract may make him more tradeable, in fact. And having him around in the short term may prevent overwork of the youngsters, avoiding an injury a la Adam Eaton. Of course, if someone gets injured anyway, they may be glad they have Jarvis in their pocket.
   38. Geoff Young Posted: March 11, 2002 at 08:46 PM (#555320)
Sorry, but signing Jarvis was a good move. He soaks up innings and buys time for Tankersley, Peavy, Middlebrook, et al.

As for KT, anyone who can turn Andy Sheets and Ed Sprague into Phil Nevin and Dennis Tankersley is doing a good job. Off-hand, the only questionable moves I can recall under his watch are the acquisition of Randy Myers, which effectively pushed Bret Boone out of town, and letting Steve Finley walk in favor of Ruben Rivera, although at least that one made sense at the time.
   39. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 11, 2002 at 09:23 PM (#555321)
I disagree about Kevin Jarvis. If he were a league-average pitcher, that would be one thing, but he's not. Larry Luebbers could do the same job Kevin Jarvis does. Jarvis' ERA+ last year, for instance, in his breakthrough year, was 84. Hell, Chris Haney and Jim Bullinger could do that.

Jarvis is a guy who will be 33 this year and needed a below-average 2001 to bring his career ERA *down* under 6.
   40. Alan Posted: March 19, 2002 at 03:33 AM (#555477)
On Wednesday or Thursday. The Mets also had Mark Johnson, who's been hitting well and has been with the team in the past, so they cut Sweeney to give him a chance to catch on somewhere else.
   41. Repoz Posted: March 24, 2002 at 02:03 AM (#555568)
Detroit had to get a catcher (Walbeck) back in the trade or else they would have run the risk of falling below the neo-touchstone of the much desired 7 catchers on the roster conception.
   42. Buddha Posted: March 24, 2002 at 09:46 PM (#555575)
What's really laughable (and troubling) about this trade is the spin coming out of Detroit. According to Randy and his bunch the Tigers filled a hole by picking up a utility infielder.

How does a team that has Paquette, Halter, Oscar Salazar and Macias have a "hole" at utility infielder? Their WHOLE TEAM is made up of utility infielders (and catchers).

If utility infielder is such a wonderful position, why did they let Jermaine Clark go last year?

Ah well, sad organizations do things like this. Where's Bill Lajoie when you need him.
   43. Klobedanz Posted: April 23, 2002 at 05:57 PM (#555993)
Man, when he was in college I thought I was seeing the next Greg Luzinsky
   44. MattB Posted: April 23, 2002 at 06:28 PM (#555994)
So, is San Diego where all the players go who I thought retired? I don't see any stats for Inky, but it appears that Ron Gant is still a major leaguer, too. And Trenidad Hubbard? Has anyone actually ever SEEN him play in a major league game or are we just trusting the box scores that he has actually existed for the past decade?

Last year, I was shocked to turn on a Padres game and see Dave Magadan, who I had thought had retired around 1996.

Who will we find playing in the San Diego cornfields in 2003? Mike Maddux? Jermaine Allensworth?
   45. Josh Posted: April 23, 2002 at 08:04 PM (#555996)
So Voros' law doesn't apply in this situation?
   46. Lujack Posted: April 23, 2002 at 08:34 PM (#555997)
Or Garth Brooks...
   47. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 24, 2002 at 01:30 AM (#556001)
As originally stated, Voros' Law (coined by Doug Drinen) stated "Anybody can hit just about anything in 60 at-bats." It's an idea stated before, but everybody thinks McCracken has a cool first name, so he got the plum.
   48. Greg Franklin Posted: April 24, 2002 at 09:11 AM (#556003)
Just to clear things up (I didn't see this in the news sites this afternoon), Inky was never on the ML 25-man roster, either in ghostly or full corporeal form. He was stashed in AAA Portland (OR) trying to regain his stroke.

Too bad he couldn't stick; when he got a hit the first game of spring training this year, I could tell baseball was back!

I don't know about you guys: I encounter Trenidad (aka "Trent") Hubbard all the time, living on the West Coast. When the M's are done I can usually catch a NL West game over the air or over the Net late at night -- and he's always there. Trent chooses his clubs so he can maximize his end-of-game end-of-day exposure, just like Jay Leno.

I wonder if anyone had a Magadanesque experience when they saw Chris Gwynn resurface as the top Padre pinch-hitter in the 1996 postseason.

LOOGYs are too easy (Ed Vande Berg) to wonder about (Ed Vosberg), so I won't go (Steve Frey) there.
   49. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: April 24, 2002 at 01:51 PM (#556005)
Is Ed Sprague retired?
   50. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: April 24, 2002 at 01:52 PM (#556006)
For the record, Inky does hold the "I" HR record, with 206, but he's had it for a while. Monte Irvin is second with 99, and Mike Ivie comes in third. The active leader, I'm sure you'll be thrilled to know, is Raul Ibanez with 27.
   51. Shredder Posted: April 24, 2002 at 03:21 PM (#556007)
Inky-wise, I think he deserves some kind of "Bizarro Career" award for logging all his minor league time at the END of his career rather than the beginning. Pretty unusual.

Kind of like Jim Abbot, who went to the big club in Anaheim right out of Michigan (who cheated big-time, by the way. How do you get Sabo, Larkin, and Abbot to go to Michigan to play baseball. There's a reason that Big Ten teams aren't all that great at baseball, its called snow). I wonder how many guys there are out there who spent more time in the minors during their last three years than their first three years?
   52. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: April 24, 2002 at 03:41 PM (#556008)
All right, I couldn't help myself. Here's the career Home Run list by last name, with all-time leader first and active leader second.

A - Hank Aaron (755), Brady Anderson (210)
   53. Geoff Young Posted: April 24, 2002 at 07:43 PM (#556011)
Is Ed Sprague retired?

I think so, but he served his purpose. Thank you, Mr. Duquette....
   54. Steve Treder Posted: April 25, 2002 at 01:34 AM (#556016)
"Ken Caminiti (239) and Eric Davis (282) are retired, right?"

Davis retired at the end of last season, and there was a great heart-warming farewell ovation to him from Reds' fans at the Giants' last appearance there.

Caminiti's career, shall we say, is apparently over.
   55. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: April 25, 2002 at 01:29 PM (#556017)
Just to clarify, there's never been a major league baseball player, period, whose last name started with "X". So whoever the first one is will garner all sorts of statistical trivia. (Somebody in the Tampa Bay front office may want to work on this. Have the guy pitch an inning and you can worm even more publicity out of it.)
   56. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: April 26, 2002 at 04:52 AM (#556021)
I could see counting Canseco as active, because he is still playing professionally and could make the majors, or not counting him as active because he's not on a major league roster. I figured I'd give all the information and people could do whatever they wanted.

I did just see a Jayson Stark column where he was listing players with the most ABs without a grand slam, and he included Bernard Gilkey, who's currently in the minors.
   57. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: April 28, 2002 at 11:44 PM (#556024)
Speaking of the "Bizarro Career" award, do you think if the Expos offered Inky a job now, would he take it? A spot may be opening up...
   58. McCoy Posted: April 29, 2002 at 02:19 PM (#556026)
Devin,

Gil Hodges is not the career home run leader for the letter H. Frank Howard has 382 to make him the leader.
   59. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: April 30, 2002 at 07:30 PM (#556027)
(groan)

I just knew I was going to get something wrong. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to find it.

I don't know that I'd say Zernial is that much more famous than Zeile. Slightly better, sure, but, hell, Inky's #8 on his comp list.

BTW, all Met fans probably knew this in the back of their minds, but guess what? #2 on Zeile's comp list? Robin Ventura. I think the two of them will always be linked as anchors on the 2000-01 teams.
   60. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: May 02, 2002 at 01:47 PM (#556029)
Zeile vs. Zernial is a great peak value/career value argument. No doubt Zernial was better at his best, but his career was rather short. Judging by James' essay in the NHBA, he probably should have had a longer career, but the fact is, he didn't. Zeile played a more important defensive position and has lasted longer (although arguably longer than he should have). James had Zernial as the #96 LF, and Zeile as about the #90 3B. (I forget exactly, but it was higher than Gus). Zeile played in an era with inflated offense, but Zernial was still playing in a mostly-segregated league. Which one I'd take would depend on what I needed them for.

My main point is that, unlike what Steve Cameron said, compared to Zernial, Zeile is not a "relative nobody". Neither one's a great player. What do you want for the Z's?
   61. Big Ed Posted: May 29, 2002 at 02:58 PM (#556812)
The Sox also signed Bill Simas to a AAA contract.
   62. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 05, 2002 at 09:44 PM (#556948)
That's his rough translated line, not his raw one. Pearson doesn't have the nice peripherals that Jason Kershner has this year, so despite a lower ERA, his perfomance doesn't translate nearly as well.
   63. Greg Franklin Posted: June 12, 2002 at 07:09 PM (#557070)
Dan, thanks for supplying the MLEs and insights on the new Padre additions.

Trujillo and Perez made the pre-season Sickels report on the Padres way back in January. Not sure how close the other guys are to coming up, if the team is to the point of packing it in for 2002.
   64. Clyde Posted: June 13, 2002 at 01:40 AM (#557071)
Obviously, Tankersley's numbers were pretty dreadful, but I never got to see him pitch. Is there hope? From what I have heard, he's got good gas, but was missing around the strike zone. Any insight would be gladly apprieciated.
   65. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 13, 2002 at 03:19 AM (#557072)
I've seen 2 Tankersley games. His stuff look fine, but he's really been all over the place with everything. In the Oriole game, anything he managed to get over the plate was just hanging there as if he were trying to hit the strike zone with trial and error.
   66. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 13, 2002 at 03:19 AM (#557073)
I've seen 2 Tankersley games. His stuff look fine, but he's really been all over the place with everything. In the Oriole game, anything he managed to get over the plate was just hanging there as if he were trying to hit the strike zone with trial and error.
   67. Geoff Young Posted: June 13, 2002 at 04:23 PM (#557074)
Dan hit the nail on the head. Tank was all over the place. There was one game where he really had the slider working, and the hitters just looked lost up there, but for the most part he's been doing a good Matt Clement impersonation. Lots of movement, no clue where the ball is going.

Perez is very intriguing. Despite starting the year in the Cal League and being only 20 years old, he's spent some time in the Mexican League facing older competition. He has good stuff, good poise, and is willing to work inside to hitters. His biggest problem is the occasional lapse in command. Over at Ducksnorts, I had him ranked as the #11 prospect in the system coming into the season. He has been dominant this year. Between Elsinore and Mobile, he made 13 starts. In 9 of those starts, his Qmax "S" score was 2 or lower.

As for Fikac, he's been all over the plate lately. The last game of his I saw was on Monday, and he was bouncing pitches, which is not good for a control pitcher. His numbers the past month or so have been pretty brutal and it's clear that something's not right. The likely reason he was sent to Double-A is that Darren Balsley is the pitching coach there, and he's been given a lot of credit for helping to develop many of the Padres top young pitchers. I personally don't expect Fikac to stay there very long.

It's been a tough year for the Padre pitching staff. With Eaton and Walker already expected to miss much of the season, long-term losses to Jarvis, Nunez, and Tollberg have really taxed the system. On the one hand, it's good to see some of the kids get a shot; on the other, it stinks to watch them get pounded. Hopefully they'll be able to take something positive away from the experience and use that as something to build on in the future.
   68. CLyde Posted: June 13, 2002 at 05:47 PM (#557075)
Thanks, fellows.
   69. Greg Franklin Posted: June 15, 2002 at 11:43 PM (#557161)
"Any" is a strong word. Eugene Kingsale was on the 25-man roster last night, and Bochy sent him right into the game as a come-from-behind pinch-hitter in the 6th inning (he flew out). Mark Sweeney got DL'd to make roster room for Kingsale.

Hmm. Will the Padre organization and Kevin Towers be subject to the same reappraisal that the A's and Beane are going thru this year? Should they be?
   70. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 16, 2002 at 02:53 AM (#557162)
Kingsale on the 25 surprised the heck out of me. He'll have to pass through waivers next time someone's healthy.

I'm not ready to jump off the Pads bandwagon. They still are tremendously deep in pitching prospects and the offense is performing at worst-case scenario levels. Going by position.

C - Wiki was over his head last year, hitting 275/335/462. A blecch 250/320/380 was reasonable. Gonzalez has been injured and missing 60 points of slugging. Lampkin took the playing time and has hit 171/270/293.

1B - Nevin's on the wrong side of 30, so some decline would not be unexpected, but not a 140ish points of OPS loss from his established level of play. On the shelf for awhile, too

2B - Jimenez was looking to be removed another year from his car accident and it was hoped that he'd start to get back to where he was. Even if he didn't, it was reasonable that he'd at least match the 276/355/367 of last season with better defense at 2B than he displayed at short. He's hitting 230/302/302.

SS - Padres got nothing out of short this year and Vazquez, sans further development, should have been hitting like a typical Luis Alicea year. Got off to a horrific start, lost his job to Deivi Cruz for no particular reason and is only now still starting to hit and is at 254/313/323. Cruz is his typical 262/301/388 level of bland crapiness with his defense still in decline.

3B - Not unreasonable for Burroughs to not develop power yet and hitting 250/350/400 would have been reasonable and a bit disappointing. 221/261/282 with a bum shoulder is pretty much worst-case.

OF - Klesko had pretty well established himself at 285/380/530 and he's been better than that this year. Now back at 1st and leaving Lankford, Trammell and Kotsay getting the most at-bats in the outfield. Lankford was expected to continue his long, slow decline but has a .689 OPS. Trammell was established pretty much at league average and is at .699, just above Lankford. That leaves Kotsay, who has been better than expected at 387/473.
   71. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 17, 2002 at 02:44 PM (#557165)
I thought Jimenez was a better prospect, too, and I still believe that was justified at the time. I think it very likely that without the car accident, which Jimenez was lucky to even survive, let alone have use of his limbs, that Jimenez would be the better player.

Soriano is still a bad defensive player and remains a good Wil Cordero comp to me He's getting an increasing diet of pitches out of the strike zone and he's swinging at them more and more often.
   72. Klobedanz Posted: June 21, 2002 at 04:45 PM (#557272)
The 'roids are kickin' in. Flexibility ... gone.
   73. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: June 21, 2002 at 05:13 PM (#557274)
I hope it wasn't his signing wrist.
   74. Colin Posted: June 21, 2002 at 05:25 PM (#557275)
This Braves fan remains extremely ticked at that trade. Grrrr... Thanks for bringing that up, Dan. Now why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice in it.
   75. Geoff Young Posted: June 21, 2002 at 06:16 PM (#557276)
Matt, that was a scary moment. When Klesko went down, it reminded me a lot of when Nevin broke his arm.

As for the Braves, hey, they're getting pretty good use out of Joyner, Sanders, and Veras. Oh, wait.... ;-)
   76. Geoff Young Posted: June 26, 2002 at 04:27 PM (#557280)
I don't believe Loewer is in the organization any longer. There is talk that Eaton might pitch in August.
   77. Darren Posted: July 15, 2002 at 12:45 AM (#557708)
Dan--

Are you saying Kotsay now has a 5 year contract for around $22.5 to $25 mil? Or did they tear up the old contract?

What are your defensive comments based on? Stats? Scouting? First hand?

Just wondering?

Kotsay and Damon sound like a good comparison, but not knowing much about Kotsay, I doubt he could match Damon's glove.
   78. Darren Posted: July 15, 2002 at 03:35 AM (#557710)
Their OPS+s for age 24 and 25 are extremely close. It's funny, Kotsay seems like he's been around forever and is still so young. I have no real sense of him.

I agree with you on ZR, I just wish it were easier to find.

Thanks for the info.
   79. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 15, 2002 at 01:58 PM (#557711)
Kotsay's looked really good in center the couple of times I've seen him in person. Good jumps, good lines, and nice range.
   80. Scott Posted: July 15, 2002 at 05:40 PM (#557692)
As a Padres fan, I hate the Jimenez deal. Organizationally, the Padres have had little success developing a keystone players since Alomar.. If it's my team, I would have put Vazquez at SS and Jimenez and 2nd and given them a full year...but instead Deivi Cruz is the new Chris Gomez and we gave away Jimenez for a song...
   81. Greg Franklin Posted: July 15, 2002 at 08:59 PM (#557693)
Does Ken Williams know which Alex Fernandez he was giving up? There is precedent (Jeff Barry).
   82. Geoff Young Posted: July 16, 2002 at 10:46 PM (#557715)
Kotsay is better than quite acceptable in center, IMO. I don't have any stats handy, but he reminds me of Steve Finley when he was here, only with a better arm.

As for Buchanan, all indications are that the deal was more about moving Jason Bartlett, who was about to be run over by Khalil Greene.
   83. Shredder Posted: July 22, 2002 at 03:49 PM (#557833)
I went to school for 13 years with a kid named after his mother, Robin, and his dad, Bill. That's right, folks. The guy's name is Robill. It's a lot funnier now than when I was in second grade. And that was when The Hamburglar was making regular appearances in television commercials.
   84. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: July 22, 2002 at 10:06 PM (#557840)
   85. Geoff Young Posted: August 29, 2002 at 11:33 PM (#558594)
The Padres sour awfully fast on left-handed relievers

I think the problem is, they keep expecting another Kevin Walker or Jose Nunez, and when it doesn't happen right away, they try someone else who doesn't fit that description. Wash, rinse, repeat. Hopefully Walker's return next year will put an end to that cycle.
   86. Geoff Young Posted: September 04, 2002 at 07:33 PM (#558700)
Oliver Perez and Adam Eaton are off the DL, too. This rotation is going to be a lot of fun to watch next year.
   87. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 05, 2002 at 01:34 PM (#558707)
"I hope he passes on Woody Wiliams and instead spends the new revenue sharing checks on the Smartest Pitcher Ever."

I thought Bill Lee was retired...
   88. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 05, 2002 at 05:24 PM (#558711)
"The Reds are trying this Brandon Larson too. He's playing 2B in some instructional league over the winter."

...assuming that Larson recovers from his broken hand in time, that is. While sitting in the dugout, Larson was hit in the head with a line drive, and fell onto his hand, breaking it. The good news is that there was no skull fracture or concussion.

-- MWE
   89. Geoff Young Posted: September 05, 2002 at 07:27 PM (#558713)
Keith Ginter was DFA by the Astros. Anybody think he'd be a viable option at 2B for the Pads? I'm trying desperately to come up with any scenario that doesn't have Deivi Cruz getting 500 at-bats in SD again next year.
   90. NTNgod Posted: September 05, 2002 at 08:37 PM (#558714)
Brewers already grabbed Ginter the other day...
   91. Geoff Young Posted: September 05, 2002 at 09:02 PM (#558715)
Just saw that. Bummer....
   92. NTNgod Posted: September 05, 2002 at 09:29 PM (#558716)
Yeah, it just happened officially today, but it was kind of an open secret that that was what was going to happen.

Baseball America and a couple of other sources had reported a couple of days ago that he was going to the Brewers when he was DFA'd.

Sorry to get your hopes up :)
   93. Greg Franklin Posted: September 05, 2002 at 10:46 PM (#558717)
Trenidad Hubbard just got released, too. The path is clear for Kingsale to be a major OF sub in 2003.
   94. Greg Franklin Posted: September 06, 2002 at 07:48 PM (#558719)
Christy is a free agent but quite inactive. Hasn't touched a ball in years.
   95. Buddha Posted: November 15, 2002 at 11:11 PM (#559413)
As a Tiger fan, let me just say:

sigh.

Thank God for hockey season.

Is this a sign that they think Brandon Inge and Maxim St. Pierre are the dynamic duo for the future? I think that St. Pierre (like all the other Tiger prospects in the AFL) is hitting a robust .188.

Ugh. Kingsale will fit right in on a team that can't get on base or score.
   96. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: November 16, 2002 at 12:06 AM (#559415)
For a catcher, those are some pretty good MLEs.

Kingsale has out-hit Rivera in the majors, but Rivera has better career hitting stats at AA and at AAA. They're the same age, and one is a catcher and the other one is a centerfielder. Huh?

I have heard that Kingsale looks like the second coming of Gary Pettis, but his numbers indicate that he can't run like Pettis could - few can. Besides, as others have pointed out, the last thing the Tigers need is a Gary Pettis.

That said, if Rivera really was deemed surplus to requirements, at least they got something for him rather than lose him on the waiver wire in April.
   97. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: November 16, 2002 at 12:21 AM (#559416)
For a catcher, those are some pretty good MLEs.

Those are MLEs? I though those were untranslated minor league stats. Seriously, if those are MLEs, then he's a decent-hitting catching option. I wouldn't mind him sharing time, especially if Magadan hands him a clue.
   98. Geoff Young Posted: November 16, 2002 at 12:53 AM (#559417)
Now Kotsay can stay in CF and the Padres might actually get decent production out of their catchers. Those MLEs of Rivera's scream Bobby Estalella. That may not be exciting to most of the country but for Padre fans it's a beautiful thing.

Funny how now that Randy Smith is back in San Diego, he's able to identify the useful guys in the Tiger system. ;-)
   99. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 16, 2002 at 01:35 AM (#559418)
Good move by Towers, getting a starting catcher for a waiver-wire pickup.
   100. Ned Garvin: Male Prostitute Posted: November 16, 2002 at 03:37 AM (#559420)
I like this (as a Padre fan that is). Not that Rivera is a world-beater, but he and Wiki should be able to hold down the fort decently enough. I love the way Towers constantly picks up guys for free, then turns them into a little something down the road.
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