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Kingsale is worse than Torres and Lombard as a CF option and isn't much better than Bocachica honestly. I don't see any value here cause Inge was more of a hole at C than Lombard was in CF.
How is Kingsale worse than Torres? Torres couldn't hit his way out of a paper bag, at least Kingsale hit .280 in the majors. Out of Torres, Lombard and Bocachica, none of them has done too much in the majors. The only one who has shown anything with the bat is Lombard and he showed last season that he can't play centerfield.
Torres is just another Brian Hunter.
What is troublesome about this trade is that this makes Inge the catcher for next season. He was supposed to be so good defensively but was horrible last season. Rivera was just as good. AND Inge has shown a propensity to get hurt more than any ability to hit the ball.
There is no way Munson goes back to playing catcher, they're moving him to third. Fick seems destined to play RF (until he's traded) and the only other catcher of any note they have is St. Pierre who is currently lighting up the AFL at a .188 clip.
I think the Tiggers are going to run out of catchers soon. Oh well, there's always Matt Walbeck.
Right now the Tigers stink. They also have limited minor league depth. This would normally elicit an attempt to acquire young quality players in trades and let guys like Dimitri Young head for the exits. Unfortunately the Tigers actually thought they were a contender last season and picked up Young. Complicating matters is the fact that they keep switching all their good hitting, light fielding catchers to less demanding positions where they'll have way less value rather than seeing if they could do tolerably ok as a catcher (Fick and Munson). Throwing Rivera away for a waiver pick-up is just part of this misbegotten concept that if a catcher isn't a catch-and-throw guy he has no value at that position.
I will only be mollified if the Tomko-Giles trade goes through.
And I was so pleased that this money would not be spent on Deivi Cruz...
I think they set a record last year. You can't blame them for hording anyone they could find whose shoulder was within three feet of the rest of their arms.
I'm with dsm. FREE MARCUS GILES!!!!
Yes I can! I can and do!
As I said in another thread, someone's going to have to explain this one for me. You can't flip him to a contender for prospects, and you can't (reasonably) expect him to help you win the division with his LOOGYness against Bonds, et al. So why spend a roster spot on him, let alone $800,000 guaranteed dollars? Maybe he's really coach-errific, but he still ain't worth it.
Like the commentary in the old Bill James books sez ... the 1980s Mets led the league in foreign-looking players who were actually All-American -- Orosco, Ron Darling, Sid Fernandez.
Oops. Guess I was thinking of muralist Jos? Clemente Orozco.
Who, coincidentally, would make an equally worthwhile use of a roster spot.
Towers appears to be a stathead friendly GM, but some of these recent signings (Deivi Cruz, Jesse Orosco) are puzzling. Is Bochy leaning on him to bring in these crusty old types? If Royce Clayton is signed, I will be very disappointed.
Free Cesar Crespo!
If I were more than a casual Padres observer, I'd be pissed if signing Orosco means the team loses Ben Johnson in the Rule V Draft.
Good luck to Cordova, who was a pretty good pitcher when healthy. There's nothing worse than staggering home from a long night of washing dishes at 2AM, except possibly finding out that you completely missed the first no-hitter by your team in a decade.
The money's off, Rube, but I wouldn't mind seeing my Bucs drag Henderson in. They need somebody who can get on base, even if he does look like he just rose from the dead as a plague upon the living.
At least you had one last decade.
What about finding out that your team failed to record a no-hitter for the 5500th time in a row? Meaning since it's inception.
Or this: listening on the radio as your team blows open a laugher. Your favorite player (Tony Gwynn) has already recorded a triple, a homerun, and a double. The game is on the road and it's only the 6th inning, so you look at the batting order and realize he's mathematically guaranteed at least two more plate appearances (could be three the way this game is going). He happens to be the greatest singles hitter of his generation, and your team has never had a player hit for the cycle in its history. You are then forced to listen helplessly as Jim Riggleman decides to rest the starters, including Gwynn.
(grumble)
Heckuva signing, BTW, if they give him 200 PA or so.
Despite the rep, Orosco does not fall off a cliff against righties or against the second batter he faces. In fact, while there is some selection bias and small samples at work here, he has actually better against righties and "deeper" into games the past few years.
Just because he pitched 30 innings for L.A. doesn't mean that he can't be put to better use in San Diego. I doubt his contract guarantees him LOOGY status. I see no evidence he can't be left there for three, four batters at a time, rack up 70+ innings and become a "real" reliever. In that case, he'd certainly be worth $800K.
The evidence: his arm will be 46 freakin' years old and he doesn't possess a knuckleball. That said, I have no problem with the Padres using him that way until his arm falls off (or more likely his back goes out, his knees get arthritic, etc.). If they get significant innings out of him, great. But nobody else was offering him $800k or a no-trade clause, so I don't know what possessed the Padres to offer him both.
Geoff Young, you need to stop posting here and go write something for Ducksnorts. (I'm Jonesing for my fix.)
Ask and you shall receive....
Unfortunately Benny Santiago doesn't get on base all that much.
I'm not sure what will happen when a good Dodger reserve goes to San Diego.
-- Hansen: $550K in '03, $750K in '04.
Jim: You've hit it spot on wrto Nevin. His attitude is wearing very thin. If Burroughs isn't starting at 3B in 2003 there will be some very disappointed Padre fans.
On the bright side, it looks like we won't be getting Royce Clayton.
Nevin's attitude is getting worse. I saw an interview with him yesterday, and it was a thinly disguised cut at the front office for thinking of trading someone so important to the franchise. According to Nevin, he and Klesko ARE the team, and know what is best for everyone, including the minor league pitching development staff. I wouldn't mind seeing him go, but only for equivalent talent - the guy is a heck of a hitter.
Lessee...
Gagne: 27 years old, throws righty
On the other hand, Nevin's not at an age where many players have succeeded behind the plate either. Is it worth gambling with a current franchise bat in order to fit all the future ones into the lineup?
Klesko doesn't have any desire to move off 1B but he tends to keep his mouth shut about it and will do whatever's best for the team. The theory behind moving Nevin to the OF is that then only one of your star players is upset.
As for moving Nevin back behind the plate, no way. The guy who was grateful to even have a career when the Angels dumped him for Andy Sheets isn't the guy who thinks he calls the shots now. If the Padres can get decent value for Nevin, I won't be sorry to see him leave.
Nice knowing you Phil, is what I say.
BTW, good use of Admiral Ackbar; that's the first one of those I've laughed at.
I have no idea what the Brewers pitching staff and official scorer are like ("Is Milwaukee still in the league?"), but Loretta appears to be a short-range-but-sure-hands kind of guy anywhere you put him. I'll take that and a .350+ OBP and be happy.
When I've watched him, Loretta has always seemed to handle 3B better than 2B because of exactly what fracas says, "hes a sure handed, low-range guy" Probably too much to expect the Pads to try Loretta at 3B and Burroughs at 2B since each is coded as a guy who should be at the other position. Then again, they might just do like last year and have everyone play all over. Cruz, Vazquez and Jimenez all played a significant amount of time at 3B, SS, and 2B.
I just hope Loretta plays 15 games at SS cause I have him in a simulation league and need him to reach 15 games at SS to use him there in '04 (based on '03 stats).
Why is Crespo DOB listed in quotes...has there been any rumor that he is significantly older? Although, given that Crespo wasn't really given much of an opportunity as a 22/23 player, maybe there is something to that, I just figured that he was born Crespo, and was hence pre-ordained into the utilityman life.
I'd like everyone's predictions for the lineup and rotation. Here's mine (note pathetically slavish devotion to alternating lefties & righties):
SS L Ramon Vasquez
For the rotation, I'll go with Francisco Cordova as the #5 guy until he gets hurt. Then Dennis Tankersley steps in.
Is there a website with up to date rosters? padres.mlb.com shows them as still having Tomko, and I can't believe Ron Gant still counts as a roster spot just because he hasn't signed elsewhere.
espn.com toys with the idea of having accurate rosters but don't ever actually have it just right.
Vinay,
On the 2B thing, do you think guys who are slotted as 2B (ie. not good enough to play SS but same skill set basically) tend to develop porly because there is already that pre-selection of the best to play SS or do you think there is something about 2B which makes them not develop? Catcher I can understand making guys not develop, 2B doesn't seem any different from SS to me as far as the rigors go (in fact with the shorter throw to 1B its less rigorous).
Sounds like a good way to sprain an ankle - does that never happen to Vidro?
Okay, I guess I'm alright with this. It'll probably come to nothing but what the heck.
Seriously, I agree with fracas. These are low-risk moves. I don't think Nagy's got anything left, but what the heck. Might as well just bring in everybody and their mother to compete for the #5 slot and long-relief job. Maybe one of 'em turns out to be okay.
It also seems that some of these guys might go the Dave Magadan route and end up coaching somewhere in the system. I'm thinking mostly of Orosco and Brady Anderson, but also Hansen and Nagy could fit that description.
Nagy, Anderson, Cordova, Wright have all upside, but mostly only because there was nowhere down to go.
That said, Wright and Cordova could be useful if things roll right. Nagy could be acceptable, and I dunno whats up with Hansen and Anderson signings.
Nagy and Anderson seem like extreme reaches to me. As for Hansen, he's sort of assuming the Dave Magadan role. Veteran left-handed bat off the bench, someone to show the kids how to work the count, etc.
Bush will be competing with Chris Sexton and Jose Flores for the utility infielder spot. I don't like his chances to make the club.
It's a trap!
Will he help the Padres, either on the field or via trade? (and which way?)
Let's set one thing straight: virtually every decent reliever acquired via trade, waiver wire pickup, cheapo NRI and non-tendered FA would have been a better choice for the Cubs than paying a boatload to Alfonseca, so there is no reason to bring it up every time.
Good cheap signing. Could serve as closer in the early going if Hoffman isn't ready to go.
Who would you have close games for the Pads? Witasick looks like as good an option as any to me. More important than my opinion, however, is that of the ballclub:
Towers knows exactly where Witasick will fit in his second stint in San Diego. The right-hander will be the primary eighth-inning reliever if closer Trevor Hoffman's shoulder is fit in 2003. If Hoffman is ailing, Witasick will take much of the ninth-inning load.
(source: http://www.nctimes.net/news/2002/20021224/53318.html)
Look at what Witasick has done since he moved full-time to relief:
IP H ER HR BB SO ERA
For that matter, (heresy alert) the Padres best-case scenario may be a breakdown by Hoffy in this, the final year of his contract. The Padres could buyout his $10M option (what's the buyout amount?) and perhaps resign him for drastically less or just spend the $10M elsewhere. All the better if they gain this payroll flexibility while identifying other bullpen options (one of their not-quite-breaking-out starting candidates who's not even arb eligible?)
Make a virtue of necessity, Kevin!
The buyout amount is $2 million.
Still, I hope he gets nowhere near the roster.
Of course, this Braves fan fully expects the Braves to receive Lockhart as part of a summer trade...
As for "incredible clutch hitter", it's a case of when he was good he was very very good, and when he was bad he was horrid:
Stats as PH:
"He's treated like trash since then."
You'll find no one who was more upset at the Tino signing than me. That said, it's not really a valid comparison. Tino's utter mediocrity came in the first year of a inadvisable contract that, realistically, no one is ever going to take off of the Cardinals hands. Lankford, on the other hand, was near the end of a contract, and wasn't in the team's long range plans.
And while this is conjecture, I just can't see Tino grousing and pouting the way Lankford did when he lost his spot in the starting lineup. I lost all patience with Lankford when he demanded (via the media) to know "why" he'd lost his job. Well, Ray, do you think it might have had something to do with the fact that he was striking out more than once every three at-bats, and had made no adjustment to his oversized swing. Clearly, that was not a swing that was going to cut it when Ray started losing bat speed.
Finally, I know it's taboo to evaluate a trade retroactively, but the results are very hard to argue with. Woody, when healthy, has been nearly as effective as Morris, and Lankford, last I heard, is still waiting for someone to invite him to camp.
Bay started in CF last night, and probably will be there for most of Kotsay's absence. Matthews does give the Pads their first legitimate backup outfielder of the season.
Couple other quick points:
1. Nady is a better defender than Buchanan.
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