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Saturday, January 10, 2004

San Francisco Giants

Signed P Brett Tomko to a 1-year contract, $1.5 million contract.

Good thing Brian Sabean didn’t waste $1.5 million on one of those evil, child-molesting draft picks when a player the caliber of Tomko can be acquired for the same price.  If Sabean’s really having trouble figuring out what to do with the saved draft pick money, I can think of better uses than Brett Tomko, such as hiring someone to dub the entire run of Mama’s Family into Mandarin Chinese.

Most mediocre pitchers are able to sneak above league-average once in a while, but Tomko’s proven devilishly skillful at avoiding that nasty fate since his rookie year, maxing out at an ERA+ of 97 in 1998.  Tomko has even proven impervious to ballpark effects, allowing 66 homers in the last 2 years playing at Qualcomm and Busch.

People say that ballplayers are spoiled nowadays, especially the stars.  Brian Sabean has decided to change that and has dedicated the 2004 season to making sure Barry Bonds knows what it feels like to be working in a waste treatment plant.

Tomko, Brett - 2004 ZiPS Projection
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W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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9 11 31 30 196 208 102 29 58 113 4.68

Dan Szymborski Posted: January 10, 2004 at 05:41 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Jason JL Posted: November 21, 2002 at 03:50 PM (#559654)
oh dear god no.
   102. jwb Posted: November 21, 2002 at 07:04 PM (#559656)
Don't bleepin' touch Aurilia. Perez as UT INF and can't-sign-Kent insurance (or won't-sign-Kent insurance) at 2B.
   103. Michael Posted: November 21, 2002 at 07:17 PM (#559658)
Except that the lottery ticket might be a winner...
   104. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 21, 2002 at 08:37 PM (#559660)
You know what doesn't make sense is that Neifi was three teams away from becoming a free agent, thus making him less of a waste of money to sign. Why wouldn't San Fran just wait?

I think the Olperfesser nailed this one - they get a chance to see if they can negotiate a reasonable deal with him, and if not they just non-tender him and he's back on the open market.

-- MWE
   105. Cris E Posted: November 21, 2002 at 10:35 PM (#559668)
Grabbing Ortiz would be a good idea in MN, where the dropoff in MI after Guzman-Rivas is precipitous.
   106. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: November 21, 2002 at 10:53 PM (#559669)
Grabbing Ortiz would be a good idea in MN, where the dropoff in MI after Guzman-Rivas is precipitous.

Grabbing Ortiz would be a good idea in SD, where the dropoff in MI after Alomar-Templeton is precipitous.
   107. NTNgod Posted: November 21, 2002 at 10:54 PM (#559670)
Grabbing Ortiz would be a good idea in MN, where the dropoff in MI after Guzman-Rivas is precipitous

Ortiz is supposed to get sold to Japan (Orix).

Denver Post
   108. Elijah Posted: November 21, 2002 at 10:55 PM (#559671)
The Denver Post says that Ortiz was put on waivers so his rights could be sold so he could go to Japan to play for the Orix Blue Wave.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~96~1004027~,00.html
   109. NTNgod Posted: November 21, 2002 at 11:59 PM (#559674)
But he is still be available for any ML team to claim off the waiver wire, and nothing Colorado could do about it.

True, but you see players sold off to Japan quite frequently with no claims being put in.

That would lead me to believe one of two things is true:
   110. Walt Davis Posted: November 22, 2002 at 05:50 AM (#559675)
Well, Paul, one of us has the wrong understanding. The Royals were the ones with the choice of arbitration or not, and they chose to release him which ends Perez's arbitration status. This is similar to Hatteberg and Reese last year...

except I'll admit to being a smidgen confused. Usually such a player is "non-tendered" and then becomes an FA. Perez was waived and is not an FA (since he's been claimed). Maybe there's always been a waiver step between non-tendering and FA, and I never noticed. Anyway, if this is different than a standard non-tendering, then you may be right. If the Giants put themselves in an arbitration bind with Perez, they're idiots.
   111. Christian (ruz) Posted: November 22, 2002 at 07:43 PM (#559677)
I'm glad I'm not the only confused one. I was baffled enough when Sabean actually made the waiver claim, but the fact that he might actually be on the hook to pay Perez anything more than, oh $500K next year shocks me.

I still believe that Sabean is, in his own words, not an idiot. But Neifi Perez in a Giants uniform is going to erode that belief quite a bit.
   112. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: November 22, 2002 at 08:12 PM (#559678)
There is a unspoken rule that if a GM signals his intention to sell one of his players to Japan, you don't block the deal.

This makes sense to me. If a player is being sold to Japan, this means he has agreed to go there. I can't imagine another team trying to block that through a waiver claim.
   113. Joe Morgan Posted: December 07, 2002 at 09:48 PM (#560293)
I really like this move by the Giants. They get a solid bat off the bench, and they get a solid veteran presence. Don't forget what an asset Shawon Dunston was for them these past couple years. Dunston was great for them because he showed the younger players how to hit in key situations: you need to always make contact. In the top of the eighth, down by two, man on first, you don't want a walk. You want a productive out, and outs are what Dunston and Grissom give you.
   114. Floyd Thursby Posted: December 07, 2002 at 09:54 PM (#560294)
He sucks, but could always hit lefties. If Alou puts a Grissom/Benard platoon out there, that'll be at least an average CF combo. In terms of offense, at least.

It ain't pretty, but it would be effective.
   115. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 07, 2002 at 10:01 PM (#560295)
Yeah, but for the money, they could have had Todd Hollandsworth.
   116. Danny Posted: December 07, 2002 at 10:55 PM (#560299)
"Surely there's someone he can put back there so oppoainf teams will walk Barry 20-30 times less per season. Those atbats matter. You're paying him near 20 million, you want him swinging the bat in as many AB's as possibly."

Actually, as many studies have shown, Barry would be even more valuable if he was walked every plate appearance. What the Giants really need is someone who can drive Barry in after he walks. Someone like Kent, Alfonzo, or Floyd.
   117. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: December 07, 2002 at 11:42 PM (#560300)
I wake up today with the flu, and now this.

Oh well, at least I can be ill all in one day now. It might work out OK depending on how he's used, but it seems like they could have at least waited on this and seen who was non-tendered, etc. Was there really that much demand for Grissom?
   118. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 08, 2002 at 12:41 AM (#560304)
"Grissom can.. he can.. well, he can bug his eyes out real good."

That's one of the funnier things I've read in a while. Thank god someone can make me laugh about this. My favorite team just signed my least favorite player.

:-(

A.
   119. Christian (ruz) Posted: December 08, 2002 at 02:22 AM (#560312)
The plan is to put Finley in center

Back to the drawing board on that one. Finley just re-upped with Arizona.

Grissom: bad pickup. Too much money to spend on the short end of a platoon. As Michael said further up, if they wanted a light-hitting righty to play center, they should have stuck with Shinjo.
   120. John Posted: December 08, 2002 at 05:27 AM (#560322)
I think if Kent stays you'll see him at 3B, Durham at 2B, and Grissom/Goodwin (shudder) in CF. Snow will still patrol 1B because he's likely to outhit Pedro Feliz by a mile. Then again, Felipe does like those Latin prospects sometimes.
   121. Ned Garvin: Male Prostitute Posted: December 08, 2002 at 05:42 AM (#560325)
I like Durham and all, but methinks the Giants would be best served by getting leadoff hitters who specialize in getting on base. They have one of the most potent weapons in baseball history - they ought to think about trying maximize that asset.

Of course, they have plenty of room for upgrade, but I don't forsee any high-OBP guys coming anytime soon, nor sluggers to bat behind Bonds. What is the over/under for Bonds' walk total in 2003? 200?
   122. Darren Posted: December 08, 2002 at 06:13 AM (#560328)
Is it 3 years, plus a player option? Or including the player option?
   123. Fog City Blues Posted: December 08, 2002 at 06:58 AM (#560329)
3 years $20.1 million, with a player option for a fourth year worth $7 million
   124. Lujack Posted: December 08, 2002 at 02:46 PM (#560314)
Not to hijack the thread, but has anybody ever figured out a run expectancy table for 2002 Bonds batting in an average lineup?
   125. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 08, 2002 at 04:42 PM (#560331)
That selfish Barry Bonds. Declaring himself the designated driver so that he can get free soda.

Given Alou's handling of Fullmer/Stevens, I don't think Snow's in much danger at all.
   126. John Posted: December 08, 2002 at 11:42 PM (#560337)
Dan,

What did Alou do with Fullmer/Stevens other than ask that Fullmer be traded for Stevens after he fractured a coaches face swinging a bat around at the end of the prior season. Fullmer got a fair shake with the Expos....Shane Andrews was the guy who never did.

Alou is maligned unfairly. Alot of his pushing situational hitting in Montreal from '95 on was because that was the type of hitter he had. From '92 to '94 the Expos had a number of high-walk guys like Walker and DeShields. Once the firesale happened in '95 the Expos had to switch gears and change their concept because no matter how much you preach plate discipline, a guy like Orlando Cabrera or Vladimir Guererro is not going to pick it up....they like to swing the bat too much.
   127. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 09, 2002 at 02:45 AM (#560338)
1) Repeatedly called Fullmer selfish to the press including once after Alou judged that Fullmer didn't look upset enough after an interference call.

2) Harped endlessly about Fullmer's defense.

3) Complained about Fullmer's attitude when Fullmer had a knee injury and wanted to have it a second opinion before reporting to Ottawa.

Fullmer even had "Can't Break Me" tattooed on his bicep to celebrate getting away from Alou and Beattie.
   128. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: December 09, 2002 at 06:16 PM (#560343)
Harped endlessly about Fullmer's defense.

To be fair, Fullmer's defense is bad. Still, what Felipe did with Fullmer was the cardinal sin of talent evaluation... focusing on what a player can't do to the complete exclusion of what the player can do. Or vice versa. Felipe also loved to make player evaluations based on a single skill. The endless post-White parade of crappy centerfielders in Montreal was largely due to the fact that Felipe was desperately in love with speedy outfielders, and wanted fast players without thinking for a minute whether all that speed did him any good if the player couldn't hit or field well.

Fullmer, for all that he is a deeply flawed player, is also a very useful player because he can absolutely kill rghthanded pitching, and fake first base while doing it. He can be inattentive... he even looks narcissistic to me... and he doesn't hit lefties. But even an NL team can use Brad Fullmer.

Fans in San Francisco, unless Felipe changes his act, are going to tire very quickly of his snap judgments of players.
   129. NTNgod Posted: December 16, 2002 at 03:28 AM (#560761)
Oh, I think this means Neifi gets tossed back into the sea....swim, little fishie, swim...
   130. Danny Posted: December 16, 2002 at 04:00 AM (#560766)
"Certainly not in Fresno or at Pedro Feliz's house."

First time I've laughed out loud at Primer, excellent line. As much grief as Sabean gets, I cannot think of any free agents that would help the Giants more than Durham and Alfonzo. Great OBP's and solid power. I would rather Neifi be on the roster than Feliz, if only for defense. Now its time to unload Livan and either Ortiz or Rueter. I would even be happy with the Ortiz + Ainsworth for Drew rumor. Do most people believe Foppert is ready? Bonser?
   131. MM1f Posted: December 16, 2002 at 04:14 AM (#560769)
Where's he from?
   132. Floyd Thursby Posted: December 16, 2002 at 05:11 AM (#560772)
I think the best part of this deal is that it allows them to *keep* Ortiz. They were planning to trade Ortiz because he would bring value back, not because he's a budget buster. Now that they're less concerned about bringing in a bat, they can just trade Livan to Tampa or Baltimore for tickets to Creedence Clearwater Revisited. That's about 4M off the books, and then they'll see what to do with Snow.

If Kent signs with San Francisco, that means they've found a taker for Snow. Bow your heads in prayer, Atlanta fans.
   133. Floyd Thursby Posted: December 16, 2002 at 05:14 AM (#560773)
And I think Foppert goes Oswalt on the league, with help from Corporate Takeover Park.
   134. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: December 16, 2002 at 03:37 PM (#560781)
That's because he WAS in pain, Original Mets Fan. The problem is that his bad back didn't disable him, but merely made him a punch-n-judy hitter who couldn't bend over for ground balls. But he stayed in the lineup, so incentives based on PAs could've been a worst case scenario for the Mets. They should have DL'd him just to keep him healthy.
   135. Fog City Blues Posted: December 23, 2002 at 01:52 AM (#561747)
I don't understand the Giants' obsession with Neifi Perez. I'm guessing that Neifi will be a utility infielder since they have Aurilia at SS and Durham/Alfonzo to play 2B. So how is Neifi any better than Ramon E. Martinez? Meanwhile, Jose Cruz, Jr. is looking for a job and the Giants still need an outfielder (or two).
   136. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 23, 2002 at 03:41 AM (#561751)
How much $$?
   137. MM1f Posted: December 23, 2002 at 03:43 AM (#561752)
What's the money?

It's not that bad a deal if he comes cheap...
   138. Fog City Blues Posted: December 23, 2002 at 06:00 AM (#561756)
I hope it's number 1 as well. I don't mind this signing if Perez was signed cheaply and the Giants go out and get a good hitting outfielder. Although I can't imagine Neifi being that much cheaper than Martinez.
   139. Mikαεl Posted: December 23, 2002 at 02:46 PM (#561761)
An over-the-hill defensive replacement: $4.25 million
   140. Fog City Blues Posted: December 23, 2002 at 05:50 PM (#561766)
...telling the former Colorado Rockies shortstop he'll have a shot to replace Jeff Kent at second base.

How many second baseman do the Giants plan on signing this offseason?

2 years $4.25 million? Martinez would certainly be cheaper than that. Between Neifi and Grissom the Giants spent over $8 million over two years. That money would be better spent Cruz, Jr.
   141. Jefferson Posted: December 23, 2002 at 07:08 PM (#561770)
How does the money break down for 2003 as opposed to 2004? If Perez is getting paid not much for 2003, it could still give the Giants a little more short-term flexibility.

I'm grasping at straws, I know. I mean, Dunston would have come back for nothing...
   142. Fog City Blues Posted: December 23, 2002 at 07:27 PM (#561771)
I'm trying to block out the Neifi and Grissom signings. Here's an alternative lineup for the Giants if they signed Mueller instead of Neifi, and Cruz, Jr. instead of Grissom.

The Giants lineup would be:

Durham RF/CF
   143. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 23, 2002 at 09:04 PM (#561773)
Be very scared. It seems the possibility still exists that Neifi will be the starting first baseman for the Giants.
   144. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 23, 2002 at 09:05 PM (#561774)
Err, make the starting second baseman, obviously.
   145. Jimbo Jones Posted: December 26, 2002 at 09:49 PM (#561784)
Between Neifi and Grissom the Giants spent over $8 million over two years. That money would be better spent Cruz, Jr.

That money would have been better spent on magic beans.
   146. MM1f Posted: January 29, 2003 at 12:15 AM (#564428)
" beats...Livan Hernandez out of the All-Star Break."

Will Livan even be on the roster Opening Day?

After all, he (via his golf clubs) provided a nice little excuse to get rid of him...
   147. Floyd Thursby Posted: January 29, 2003 at 12:45 AM (#564433)
Here's how I'd write out the lineup:

Durham
   148. bhoov Posted: January 29, 2003 at 01:06 AM (#564438)
"I'd rather have Kent."

Yeah, but I don't think Kent signs the same contract with San Francisco. He gave the Astros the hometown discount (he has a ranch in Texas) and he got away from Barry so he could play with some "gamers" in a right handed hitter's dream park. I base that on what he said in the post trade interviews and what Alfonzo got (more money, longer contract, much less deferred dollars).
   149. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 29, 2003 at 01:40 AM (#564442)
Feliz and Torcato only really look impressive if you ignore where they played. The Fresno--->San Francisco offensive translation is the most extreme AAA translation to the majors with Albuquerque not feeding players to the Dodgers anymore. A mere .760 OPS like Torcato hit in Fresno looks something like .650 at Pac Bell.
   150. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 29, 2003 at 01:43 AM (#564443)
Budgets are a myth. When push comes to shove, a team not trying to slash and burn and that can compete will usually recognize that players are revenue-generating assets, not fixed costs.
   151. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 29, 2003 at 02:07 AM (#564447)
Tucson->Arizona's pretty fierce as well, and I'd imagine that Calgary->Wherever might be the real king.
   152. stephen Posted: January 29, 2003 at 05:41 AM (#564460)
"Ten bucks says that Neifi gets 400 or more AB's, and Felipe will bat him #1 or #2."

As a Diamondback fan, I damn-well hope you are right!
   153. Clemenza Posted: January 29, 2003 at 08:10 AM (#564462)
That might be the best Bonds lineup since the Pittsburgh days...hmmm, never mind. I just checked the sister site and the 90-92 lineups weren't so hot, although pretty solid considering the post-1987/pre-1993 low hitting era.

Cruz the Junior is a classic candidate to be a better hitter in his 30s than he was in his 20s, just like Daddy Cruz. By the way, Cruz Jr. is a better player than Daddy Cruz was at the same age...so there is hope.

Daddy Cruz = Poor Man's Bobby Abreu (or Bobby Abreu 80s-ified).
   154. studes Posted: January 29, 2003 at 12:21 PM (#564464)
I'm a Met fan, and I've got say to that Fonzie really should bat in front of Bonds. His biggest batting strength is OBP; he's not likely to match his 1999/2000 slugging seasons. And while he's a very good clutch hitter, his skills were wasted in the five spot for the Mets last year. Fact: he led the Mets in runs scored last year mostly batting fifth. Would have had 100 runs scored batting second.
   155. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: January 29, 2003 at 02:49 PM (#564465)
Don't worry about Livan being on the Opening Day roster: he'll probably be a Yankee soon enough, as every starting pitcher on Earth will be eventually...
   156. Mikαεl Posted: January 29, 2003 at 02:56 PM (#564466)
Regarding the Giants lineup...

They'll have three great OBPs at the top of the lineup, with power ranging from solid to noo-kew-lar. The rest of the lineup may struggle to post a combined OBP above .320. The first three hitters will comprise an insanely huge chunk of the offense. That being the case, why would you have the pitcher bat directly ahead of the offensive core? I might go all LaRussa and stick a guy like JT Snow in the 9th spot, so after the 1st, you don't lead into the murderer's row with a near-guaranteed out.
   157. Steve Posted: January 29, 2003 at 04:22 PM (#564469)
The reason noone has done that is because it's against the rules. In the late 70's / early 80's Earl Weaver would put a starting pitcher into the lineup as a DH with the idea of lifting him for a pinch hitter when his lineup slot came to bat. MLB ruled this was illegal and changed the rule to say that antone in the starting lineup had to have a plate appearance, barring injury. See Weaver on Strategy for more details.
   158. John Posted: January 29, 2003 at 05:04 PM (#564517)
The big cat still looked ok last season when he was healthy. Vitiello might be better, but by how much? The diference is like the difference between Shawon Dunston's hitting and Neifi's hitting, not a heck of alot. I'd be happy if Andres makes the team cause hes enuf of a proven vet guy to actually make Snow sit vs lefties (while Vitiello would be PH only).
   159. Scott Posted: January 29, 2003 at 06:28 PM (#564520)
Galarraga hasn't had any consistent platoon split, either way, over the past three years. So he'd be miscast as a lefty-masher -- which limits his value even further.
   160. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: January 29, 2003 at 07:08 PM (#564474)
Jose Cruz Career OPS+ : 103
   161. studes Posted: January 29, 2003 at 07:54 PM (#564476)
Don't get me wrong, dp. I think the Mets made one of the worst mistakes in their storied history of mistakes by letting Fonzie go. I'll be surprised if he slugs above .500 in Pac Bell, but I think he'll have a very good year there. I'm just saying he works better in front of Bonds instead of behind him.

If the Mets let him go because of his "counting stats," then they are even bigger fools than they appear.
   162. Jason Posted: January 29, 2003 at 08:31 PM (#564479)
This might be a little radical:

Durham
   163. Jason Posted: January 29, 2003 at 08:36 PM (#564480)
One more thing. The lineup gives you a right-left-right-left-right ordering.
   164. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: January 29, 2003 at 08:38 PM (#564481)
JCL, how does age difference matter in a year-to-year comparison? I said Cruz 2003 wasn't likely to do better than Sanders 2002, I didn't suggest he was a better player.

Points 2 and 3 are good ones, though. Cruz was not a good CF, but he'll be good in right. And he's pretty durable overall.
   165. Danny Posted: January 29, 2003 at 09:46 PM (#564482)
What about...

1)Durham
   166. Jason Posted: January 29, 2003 at 09:55 PM (#564483)
but why give them to the pitcher?
   167. Walt Davis Posted: January 29, 2003 at 10:12 PM (#564522)
Dan, the argument is that he's a better answer than Snow, not that he's a good answer. Granted, the first is debatable.

And who is the better hitter, Dunston or Perez? I'm genuinely stumped. :-)

Speaking of RH hitters, isn't Reggie Sanders still floating around out there and wouldn't he cost about $800 k right now or even accept an NRI?
   168. Fog City Blues Posted: January 29, 2003 at 10:16 PM (#564484)
I like a lineup where Aurilia is batting fourth or fifth. I've always thought Aurilia would be better suited for a run producing role than a table setting role.

Also, I'm not sure that Grissom and Benard will be a straight platoon. Alou *loves* the Marquis de Hack. I think Grissom will get the majority of playing time in CF and I wouldn't be shocked if Alou batted Grissom second in the lineup.
   169. Danny Posted: January 29, 2003 at 10:47 PM (#564486)
but why give them to the pitcher?

1) The only way the picther could take a PA away from Snow would be if the pitcher made the last out of the game. Alou would have to be the dumbest manager in the history of baseball to not pinch hit for the pitcher in this situation if the game was still in doubt.

2) With Snow batting 2nd, Alfonso 3rd, and Bonds 4th Snow would take away (162/9) 18 PA away from Alfonso and 18 more from Bonds. If Alou turned out to be the dumbest manager in the history of baseball, the pitcher would just take away 18 PA from Snow.

3) The difference between Bonds and Snow is larger than the difference between Snow and an average pitcher.
   170. Scott Posted: January 29, 2003 at 11:35 PM (#564524)
Nobody thinks it's funny, Yun. I could respect "annoying but clever," but you're not even that. And it's not even that annoying; we just scroll past the pointless repetition of uninsightful statements.
   171. John Posted: January 30, 2003 at 12:07 AM (#564525)
Walt,

I'm not sure who is better Dunston or Perez....

I guess I'd go with Perez as actually a better hitter cause of his higher walk rate If I was pressed to pick one.

My point was that they are nearly indistinguishable like Vit and the Big Cat. But honestly, who cares of Vitello and the Big Cat who is better? Neither is good for much of anything if they aren't even good enough to send Snow to the bench and Vitello doesn't carry the ML rep to bench even Damon Minor.
   172. Enrico Palazzo Posted: January 30, 2003 at 02:11 AM (#564494)
Another reason Aurilia would be a good fit behind Bonds is his extreme fly-ball-hitting tendencies. Giants fans won't have to cringe through another season of Santiago GIDPs following Bonds walks again.
   173. John Posted: January 30, 2003 at 08:22 AM (#564529)
td,

Of course its unfair to his career value to compare Dunston and Neifi. btw -- Neifi swings hard all the time too....he just doesn't have any power. I still would take Neifi over Shawon now cause Neifi is likely to have an OBP over .250, Dunston isn't and I couldn't stand to put a guy out there who can't get a .250 OBP even if he does slug like .350 (vs. Neifi's .275 or so).

As to Dunston as a reliever....it would have been interesting. I think a black guy would have had a harder time pulling off the Mitch Williams wild thing routing though so I'm not sure it would have been all that long of an experiment. The guy I more wonder about is Mark Whiten. He is one of a very select group of guys to strike every batter he ever got out with 3 or more Ks.
   174. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 30, 2003 at 01:23 PM (#564530)
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm pulling for Vitiello.
   175. Bill Posted: January 30, 2003 at 07:58 PM (#564531)
Vlad, I can't help but pull for Andres. He's been a class act who has overcome a number of crisis. But perhaps I just have a taste for the has-been who once was over the never-was who might have been.

In all of the dozens of articles that were written last year on the theme of "to whom do we compare Soriano?" I did not see anyone mention Andres, perhaps because he's a slow cornerman. But if you run your database looking for guys who hit .300 several times with awful K/BB ratios, it's Andres who keeps coming up.
   176. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: January 30, 2003 at 10:54 PM (#564633)
If his defense is still as good as it was with the Padres, the Giants just picked up a terrific defensive replacement centerfielder for chump change. Considering the dimensions of their park, instead of inviting him to spring training, they should just send him to PacBell and have someone hit him fungoes all March. Used correctly, he'll save the Giants 15 runs.

You know, Felipe Alou must be Rivera's first Latino manager in the majors. Maybe he can get through to him...

Damn! That kid's tools are seductive.
   177. Eugene Freedman Posted: January 30, 2003 at 11:50 PM (#564639)
I think this will only lead to anti-Barry Bonds articles. I can see the idiot in the back of Sports Illustrated writing how Bonds keeps his teammates at a distance and won't let young players like Rivera anywhere near his suite of lockers, how he has a personal security detail to keep Rivera away from his valuables and has hired his own equipment manager who inventories items nightly.
   178. Joe Morgan Posted: January 31, 2003 at 12:01 AM (#564643)
"With his speed Rivera is always a threat to steal"
   179. J. Michael Neal Posted: January 31, 2003 at 12:11 AM (#564644)
The general consensus around here is that Jeter's glove isn't worth anything.
   180. Andrew Edwards Posted: January 31, 2003 at 12:51 AM (#564646)
Maybe, if it's not too much trouble, could you, like, maybe just make up some transactions?

Toronto Blue Jays acquire Juan Gonzalez and Hank Blalock from the Texas Rangers for Orlando Hudson and a PTBNL.

The Rangers pick up a nice 2B prospect to fill the hole once they finally give up on Young, dump an unwanted salary, and deal from excess in 3B prospects.

The Jays fill a hole in RF (Cat don't got the arm) for at least the time Juan's not broken (and are no weaker when he breaks) while they wait for Werth to prove himself, and can move F-Cat in to 2B, where he's much more valuable.

Discuss.
   181. Andrew Edwards Posted: January 31, 2003 at 01:02 AM (#564647)
I'm not sure about this latest move from the Jays. Blalock is a great prospect, but with Hinske already at third, I'm not sur ewhat they're going to do with him. Once Delgado's contract is up, sure, Hinske can move to first. But that's not for a while yet.

Moreover, they only have F-Cat for a year - they could have controlled Hudson for much longer.

In total talent, the Jays are clear winners, but in terms of positional need, I say this one is a bust.
   182. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 31, 2003 at 03:32 PM (#564655)
Rivera's more consistent and durable and has better defense, though he has more contact problems and less power, and isn't exactly popular in the clubhouse.
   183. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 31, 2003 at 03:33 PM (#564656)
Down's comment was also a joke, Dave. It's a takeoff on the old RSBB Chris Truby gag.
   184. bhoov Posted: January 31, 2003 at 05:21 PM (#564659)
Hey,
   185. bhoov Posted: January 31, 2003 at 08:18 PM (#564664)
Thanks Rob! Without seeing the original line I got the jist of the Albert Belle joke, but seeing the original takes it from just funny to hilarious. I mean Chris Truby, satanic dismemberment and Albert Belle. LOL! So, my first foray into the Albert Belle joke.

I'm sick of ballplayers like Kevin Millar and Albert Belle refusing to be sold to a team halfway across the planet!
   186. Shredder Posted: January 31, 2003 at 10:14 PM (#564666)
Actually, bhoov, its more correctly your first foray into the Chris Truby joke, as that has been much more popular for the last year or so. Belle was really a throwaway until the last few weeks.
   187. Mike Posted: February 13, 2003 at 06:12 AM (#564532)
I went to high school with Joe Vitiello (aka "Vit"). He was the greatest high school hitter that I ever saw. In addition, he threw 90 mph heat in high school (and was compared at that time to a then-young Roger Clemens). Also, he was an all-league center in basketball, known throughout the region for his windmill dunks.

Spectacular career at Alabama ... selected 7th in the draft by the Royals and bought a SAAB 9-5 drop-top with his $300k bonus. Never really paned out with the Royals although he did hit a couple of homers at Yankee Stadium off of Jimmy Key back in 1996. Played briefly for the Padres back in 2000 - the same year that he was MVP of the Triple A All-Star game. Spent 2001 dominating in Japan with the Orix Blue Wave. My friends tell me he was just as good a power hitter as Mitsui over there. Spent the entire year with Montreal last year -- leading them in all offensive categories.
   188. Mike Posted: February 13, 2003 at 06:13 AM (#564533)
I went to high school with Joe Vitiello (aka "Vit"). He was the greatest high school hitter that I ever saw. In addition, he threw 90 mph heat in high school (and was compared at that time to a then-young Roger Clemens). Also, he was an all-league center in basketball, known throughout the region for his windmill dunks.

Spectacular career at Alabama ... selected 7th in the draft by the Royals and bought a SAAB 9-5 drop-top with his $300k bonus. Never really paned out with the Royals although he did hit a couple of homers at Yankee Stadium off of Jimmy Key back in 1996. Played briefly for the Padres back in 2000 - the same year that he was MVP of the Triple A All-Star game. Spent 2001 dominating in Japan with the Orix Blue Wave. My friends tell me he was just as good a power hitter as Mitsui over there. Spent the entire year with Montreal last year -- leading them in all offensive categories.
   189. Mike Posted: February 13, 2003 at 06:14 AM (#564534)
I went to high school with Joe Vitiello (aka "Vit"). He was the greatest high school hitter that I ever saw. In addition, he threw 90 mph heat in high school (and was compared at that time to a then-young Roger Clemens). Also, he was an all-league center in basketball, known throughout the region for his windmill dunks.

Spectacular career at Alabama ... selected 7th in the draft by the Royals and bought a SAAB 9-5 drop-top with his $300k bonus. Never really paned out with the Royals although he did hit a couple of homers at Yankee Stadium off of Jimmy Key back in 1996. Played briefly for the Padres back in 2000 - the same year that he was MVP of the Triple A All-Star game. Spent 2001 dominating in Japan with the Orix Blue Wave. My friends tell me he was just as good a power hitter as Mitsui over there. Spent the entire year with Montreal last year -- leading them in all offensive categories.
   190. The Artist Posted: July 14, 2003 at 02:55 PM (#566512)
A decent move, all the more amusing for me knowing that Towers pulled of his usual acquire an MR on a minor league contract, trade him for prospects at deadline. Im curious who drops out of the bullpen for SF though- it can't be Brower (long reliver, needed starter), nor Worrell, Christaensen, Rodriguez- can't be Nathan can it ?
   191. Darren Posted: July 14, 2003 at 04:38 PM (#566514)
Moneyball made "sell the closer" a popular party game, how about "sell the overrated by a half-year in our pitcher's park middle reliever?"

It worked for Embree, Witasick, Reed (and others?). Now it's Herges's turn:

Home: 21.1 IP, 24 Ks, 8 BBs, 0 HR, 1.69 ERA
   192. wcw Posted: July 14, 2003 at 04:52 PM (#566516)
in my off-the-cuff prospect/project/suspect listing of Giants prospects a few weeks back, Hensley came in at suspect, mainly because he's not just-turned 23, but almost 24 and only just promoted to high A. good control and a great slurvy breaking pitch, but I hear his fastball is the kind that gets hit hard if he falls behind and has to come in with it.

looks like a win-win trade; the Giants were scrabblingly desperate for pitching help, and the Padres get a nice long-shot lottery ticket for essentially nothing.
   193. zen bitz Posted: July 14, 2003 at 05:28 PM (#566518)
oddly, fracas and I just saw Mr. Hensley's last start vs. the stockton ports (fri. night). Not bad, but nothing special.

Q: what do you call a Primate after his first A-ball game?

A: A scout
   194. JMM Posted: July 15, 2003 at 02:11 AM (#566522)
zbitz wrote:
   195. Jason Posted: July 31, 2003 at 08:27 PM (#567197)
I like Ainsworth too. Being a Giants fan, my hope is that Brian Sabean uses his eye for unloading injured arms for talent (ala Vogelsong for Schmidt.) I have nothing against Ponson and I'm glad the we filled our most glaring hole for the playoffs, but Ainsworth looked liked he'd be good for awhile and cheap at that. As a side note, the Sabean has traded Ortiz and Ainsworth for Ponson and Merkin Valdez (who's looking good at single A.)
   196. NTNgod Posted: July 31, 2003 at 08:39 PM (#567199)
Ryan Hannaman this year:
   197. Dan Szymborski Posted: July 31, 2003 at 08:50 PM (#567200)
Ray! Fancy meeting you here! How long has it been? 5 years or something?
   198. Dan Szymborski Posted: July 31, 2003 at 08:54 PM (#567201)
I'll miss Ponson, too, but I was all set for the Orioles to get nothing. Thrift would have traded him even up for <S>Jeff Ballard</S> Damian Moss. Hannaman was announced since I jumped the gun quickly and that just sweetens the deal even if he's not the prospect Matt Riley was a few years ago.

A part of me really hopes that the Orioles offer Ponson the deal he wants when he hits free agency.
   199. RP Posted: July 31, 2003 at 09:12 PM (#567203)
Greg -- why is that so far-fetched? The one thing the Orioles have is money.
   200. Jason Posted: July 31, 2003 at 09:21 PM (#567206)
I like the fact that Sabean is willing to cut his losses with Moss. Yeah, he looks bad but at least he is doing something about it. Moss is pretty much useless to the Giants now and in the future- 4.70 ERA in PacBell and more walks than K's. At least the Giants will be saving themselves a first rounder if they resign Ponson.
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