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Friday, January 13, 2006

The Relocation Bible

Everybody seems to want to move in baseball.  With the Marlins, Twins, Royals, and A’s being denied in their attempts to gain

a nice, pretty stadium at taxpayer expense and Portland’s mayor not being keen on the idea, baseball’s

relocation options are limited.  This is even before considering a team like the Devil Rays that has been hinting at a

move if they don’t get everything they want.  So, here’s a quick guide to the possibilities, more than enough to handle everybody’s relocation needs.

Las Vegas

Pros

Lots of money and a large potential luxury box clientele.

Busy MLB executives can use casinos as an opportunity to take a break from their jobs and get to make stupid decisions and

spend recklessly for a change.

Large population growth

Cons

Combination of hookers, nightlife, and drinking provide a daily opportunity for baseball star to end up on front pages for

the wrong reason.

Large population growth of Las Vegas is predicated on the notion that future generations of new residents won’t be interested

in having access to water.

Very small television market.  2 AM public access in New York probably has more eyeballs than Las Vegas games would.

Cedar Rapids

Pros

Large Eastern European population to worship Eastern European baseball players of limited ability.

Cedar Rapids is home to some paved roads.

Low minority population to keep Old Timey Southern Conservatives and Elitist Liberals from feeling too creeped-out.

Cons

In Iowa.

Only 120,000 people, none of them billionaires.

‘Jimmy’s Garage/Notary/Dairy Queen’ might not provide the advertising dollars Cedar Rapids would need to compete.

Rome, Italy

Pros

Metropolitan population of 4,000,000.

Growing baseball’s popularity in Italy has side effect of next World Baseball Classic team containing at least a few players

that are from Italy or have been to Italy or can speak Italian.

If an Italian government doesn’t give into various MLB demands, all MLB has to do is wait 3 months for the next time the government

falls.

Cons

The religion of Catholicism has a large head-start in marketing over religion of baseball.

American baseball fans frequently confused by existence of foreigners.

Rome isn’t used to being looted by barbarians anymore, thus frustrating any attempts by Bud Selig and Bob DuPuy.

12th Century England

Government rather unfriendly towards unions.

Life expectancy in the 30s would provide a great help to teams wanting to get out of bad contracts to veteran players.

No steroids.

Cons

Concession stands of 12th century English food probably not of the highest quality.

Populace may not have heard of sport not invented for 700 years.

 
Possible timeline changes, like Arthur of Brittany becoming king or Ozzie Guillen becoming evil dictator of a

post-apocalyptic 20th century society.

Mordor

Pros

Very low real estate costs.

Middle-earth residents already familiar with the grand, bombastic, cliche-ridden phrases that are preferred by athletes when
speaking to the media.

With hobbits and dwarves running around, David Eckstein will finally be taller than someone.

Cons

Seismically unstable region.

Lots of corpses to clean up before stadium construction begins.

Rather small television market.

Fictionia

Pros

You don’t have to pay a team made up of fictional people.

If you don’t generate any revenue, you get a lot of revenue-sharing dough.

If imaginary city doesn’t give into your demands, you can easily move team to new imaginary city.

Cons

John Kruk already appears to live there, thus ensuring he’ll be hanging around.

Extorted Imaginary Dollars don’t convert easily into US Dollars - only Congress can do that.

Do you want to go somewhere a baseball owner imagines?

 

 

 

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: January 13, 2006 at 04:28 PM | 71 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 13, 2006 at 04:56 PM (#1819626)
And yes, I realize that I have a Kevin Millar signing to complain about...
   2. Joel W Posted: January 13, 2006 at 04:57 PM (#1819629)
And a Julian Tavarez signing to make ugly jokes about.
   3. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: January 13, 2006 at 04:59 PM (#1819633)
I think they'd be right at home in Freedonia, though.
   4. Joey B. Posted: January 13, 2006 at 05:01 PM (#1819637)
This is "baseball for the thinking fan"? The offseason really sucks.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 13, 2006 at 05:02 PM (#1819639)
Maury will be upset that you listed Mordor, but not Portland. Is it because Mordor already has a MLB ready facility (Sauron Stadium)?
   6. fra paolo Posted: January 13, 2006 at 05:10 PM (#1819653)
The Mordor Marlins has a nice 'ring' to it, but John Brattain would be annoyed as it would take all his short jokes away from him.
   7. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: January 13, 2006 at 05:14 PM (#1819663)
I think they'd be right at home in Freedonia, though.

Ciccolini and Pinky did follow Firefly to the ballgame one day, so they must like baseball there.

And Cedar Rapids already has a stadium where the Kernels play (yeah, it's kind of a dump, but a few million for renovations is all it needs to make it better than Shea). Plus Iowa City is right up the road, so that almost doubles the population.
   8. H. Vaughn Posted: January 13, 2006 at 05:53 PM (#1819710)
Wasn't there an incident involving the Cardinals in the darkest depths of Mordor, something where gollum and the evil one crept up and slipped away with Herr?
   9. Uncle Willy Posted: January 13, 2006 at 06:00 PM (#1819717)
This was one of the few times I've laughed out loud reading this site. Not too good at work.

This article does highlight a strange situation - there a several teaam that might at least be interested in moving, but only 2 somewhat realistic destinations (Vegas and Portland). New Jersey would probably be the best, but I wouldn't count on Steinbrenner ever allowing that.

You would think that this would give the existing cities some leverage to not pay for new stadiums. But we'll see...
   10. Loren F. Posted: January 13, 2006 at 06:09 PM (#1819729)
The geniuses at MLB probably think Vegas can support one NL team and one AL team...
   11. sasquatch83 Posted: January 13, 2006 at 06:11 PM (#1819736)
You forgot Poland
   12. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 13, 2006 at 06:29 PM (#1819754)
Ciccolini and Pinky did follow Firefly to the ballgame one day, so they must like baseball there.


Not so. Here's the exact bit of dialogue from "Duck Soup":

All right, I tell you. Monday we watch-a Firefly's house, but he no come out. He wasn't home. Tuesday we go to the ball game, but he fool us. He no show up. Wednesday he go to the ball game, and we fool him. We no show up. Thursday was a double-header. Nobody show up. Friday it rained all day. There was no ball game, so we stayed home and we listened to it on-a the radio.

-- MWE
   13. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: January 13, 2006 at 06:33 PM (#1819759)
New Jersey would probably be the best
You forgot Poland

I thought these were both covered by the Mordor survey/analysis, no?
   14. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: January 13, 2006 at 06:37 PM (#1819764)
Large Eastern European population to worship Eastern European baseball players of limited ability.

I don't think the White Sox are going anywhere.
   15. sliver7 Posted: January 13, 2006 at 06:50 PM (#1819781)
...a team like the Devil Rays that also has been hinting at a move if they don’t get everything they want.


Not for quite a long time, and certainly not since the new managing ownership group has taken over.
   16. bookbook Posted: January 13, 2006 at 07:08 PM (#1819803)
How about Vancouver? It's essentially Seattle - and we all know that's been firing on all cylinders financially.

Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill? Or is that part of the Braves territory?

Oahu or Juneau? The road trips would be devastating.

Montreal would work without Loria. Heck, Miami would work without Loria.

The bottom of the grand canyon. Would there be an anti-Denver effect? Somewhere Jose Lima could pitch!
   17. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: January 13, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#1819814)
The bottom of the grand canyon. Would there be an anti-Denver effect? Somewhere Jose Lima could pitch!

You mean, aside from San Diego?
   18. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 13, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#1819824)
Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill? Or is that part of the Braves territory?

Oddly, I think we're Nationals territory. However, Charlotte is Braves territory.
   19. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: January 13, 2006 at 07:27 PM (#1819834)
Wasn't there an incident involving the Cardinals in the darkest depths of Mordor, something where gollum and the evil one crept up and slipped away with Herr?

Tom Herr?
   20. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: January 13, 2006 at 08:23 PM (#1819913)
Oh, and BTW...

Combination of hookers, nightlife, and drinking provide a daily opportunity for baseball star to end up on front pages for the wrong reason.

There is no such thing as bad publicity.
   21. Barca Posted: January 13, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#1819926)
"This article does highlight a strange situation - there a several teaam that might at least be interested in moving, but only 2 somewhat realistic destinations (Vegas and Portland). New Jersey would probably be the best, but I wouldn't count on Steinbrenner ever allowing that."

Don't forget Albuquerque!
We have the 'step below' in every sport. What we want is to be major in something. We already hate Portland, so asking us to bid against them is not a problem.
We should be considered as a destination in any serious analysis for a MLB team.
   22. Flynn Posted: January 13, 2006 at 08:32 PM (#1819932)
When did Szymborski become really funny?
   23. Adam S Posted: January 13, 2006 at 08:36 PM (#1819938)
I will make the traderdave post, since he soesn't seem to be around, and mention the ever-growing Sacramento as a possible market. From third hand knowledge, i doubt they wil pay for a stadium. but they might help with land, infrastructure etc.

Mordor sounds more fun, though.
   24. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 13, 2006 at 08:58 PM (#1819955)
When did Szymborski become really funny?

Thanks, uhhh, I think.
   25. Maury Brown Posted: January 13, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#1819968)
Maury will be upset that you listed Mordor, but not Portland. Is it because Mordor already has a MLB ready facility (Sauron Stadium)?
The Mordor facility is a model that MLB won't go down again. Mordor's model simply can't be replicated. Why? Labor costs in Middle Earth are simply lower. Yes, there's trouble with the Maples, and they're quite convinced they're right, but Sauron is keeping the help in line.

The problem with Mordor, as I see it, is the concessions... Middle earth grub simply isn't a hot seller. That, and the weather seems bad. Need a facility with a roof.

Dan, this is priceless stuff. I'll be emailing this link around.
   26. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 13, 2006 at 09:28 PM (#1819989)
Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill? Or is that part of the Braves territory?


Not gonna happen. The metro area is too small to support a major league team.

This article evaluates some of the real possibilities.

-- MWE
   27. Maury Brown Posted: January 13, 2006 at 09:38 PM (#1820008)
We already hate Portland, so asking us to bid against them is not a problem.
Yes, Portland is a serious threat to... to... I'll have to get back to you on that.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: January 13, 2006 at 09:46 PM (#1820021)
I'm pretty sure those big-ass Orcs were on steroids though.

Large Eastern European population to worship Eastern European baseball players of limited ability.

You hoping for a contract Dan? :-)

Now Dan's always been funny, but this offseason has inspired his best comedic work (and more of it). But he's still not as laugh-out-loud funny as the O's front office.

Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill? Or is that part of the Braves territory?

Depends. The largest contingent of fans are Braves fans but that's still not a large contingent. Fox national broadcasts treat the Triangle like Braves territory. But Fox Sports cable shows O's games. The extra innings package blacks out all O's games, even if they're not on Fox Sports. Or at least that's how it worked in 2004. One of the regular TV stations used to carry O's weekend broadcasts, but that stopped a few years ago. To my knowledge, the Braves have never been available on regular TV there.

Anyway, the Triangle doesn't have the population or the population density to support an MLB team. Charlotte would be better, but probably still not viable. The Triad (Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem) actually was semi-serious about it a few years ago (they were a "possible" Twins destination I think), under the notion that it's close enough to the Triangle and Charlotte that it would draw fans from there, but the voters had sense.

Another problem is that a MLB team in NC would drive half the teams in minor-league baseball out of business. :-)
   29. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 13, 2006 at 09:48 PM (#1820024)
Cedar Rapids already has a stadium where the Kernels play (yeah, it's kind of a dump, but a few million for renovations is all it needs to make it better than Shea). Plus Iowa City is right up the road, so that almost doubles the population.

UCCF, Cedar Rapids replaced Veterans Memorial Stadium for the 2002 season. They built a new park. They call it Veterans Memorial Stadium.

The new park is pretty nice. I haven't been to many mLB parks, so I can't really say how it compares.

http://www.mwlguide.com/cities/cedarrapids/park.html
   30. Maury Brown Posted: January 13, 2006 at 09:56 PM (#1820036)
Stockton? Stockton? Stockton? [/Ben Stein]
   31. The Cactus Leaguer Posted: January 13, 2006 at 10:03 PM (#1820046)
Mike Emeigh Posted: January 13, 2006 at 03:28 PM (#1819989)

Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill? Or is that part of the Braves territory?


Not gonna happen. The metro area is too small to support a major league team.

This article evaluates some of the real possibilities.

-- MWE
Please tell me you are kidding... That was one of the worst "MLB relocation possibilities" articles I have ever read (and I have read a lot of them). The author actually claims that Indianapolis metro/fan base is 6 million and Portland is only 1.2 million. And no mention of the fact that Indy is about to spend over a half a billion dollars on a new football stadium for the Colts, so where on earth would they get the dough for a baseball stadium as well??? The discussion above made more sense, and it wasn't intended to make sense.
   32. Maury Brown Posted: January 13, 2006 at 10:24 PM (#1820084)
I love it when pure comedy mixes with the seriousness.

Dan, how did Ray Cansella's cornfield not make the list?
   33. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: January 13, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#1820117)
Dan, how did Ray Cansella's cornfield not make the list?

I've been there - it would make the Rockies' home stadium look like a pitcher's paradise.
   34. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: January 13, 2006 at 10:57 PM (#1820121)
Dan, how did Ray Cansella's cornfield not make the list?


People would come, Dan. People would most definitely come.
   35. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: January 13, 2006 at 11:00 PM (#1820122)
Ain't visual aids a blast?

Best Regards

John
   36. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: January 13, 2006 at 11:05 PM (#1820130)
With hobbits and dwarves, David Eckstein will finally be taller than someone.


And David Samson will have someone to relate to in negotiating a stadium deal.

Best Regards

John
   37. Old Matt Posted: January 13, 2006 at 11:10 PM (#1820134)
The Mordor Smeagols. I like.
   38. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: January 13, 2006 at 11:11 PM (#1820136)
I must say, John, your current handle is one of your better ones.
   39. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 13, 2006 at 11:33 PM (#1820161)
This article evaluates some of the real possibilities.

I can't take this article seriously either if Charleston, SC, Indy and Memphis are considered more viable than Portland or Vegas.
   40. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: January 13, 2006 at 11:38 PM (#1820170)
UCCF, Cedar Rapids replaced Veterans Memorial Stadium for the 2002 season. They built a new park. They call it Veterans Memorial Stadium.

The new park is pretty nice. I haven't been to many mLB parks, so I can't really say how it compares.


New park, eh? I didn't make it in 2002 (my last half-year in Iowa City).

Maybe it's already nicer than Shea.
   41. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: January 13, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#1820174)
I honestly don't see any market as being an upgrade over any current MLB market, and I'm not convinced that any team is really that serious about changing markets.
   42. base ball chick Posted: January 14, 2006 at 12:14 AM (#1820231)
no, they just serious about trying to screw more $$$ out of the locals so that hte roads, schools and hospitals can all go without
   43. Maury Brown Posted: January 14, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#1820255)
I honestly don't see any market as being an upgrade over any current MLB market, and I'm not convinced that any team is really that serious about changing markets.

[serious]You don't try to get out of a lease in Minnesota, nor go traipsing 7 hours on a plane to Portland, if options aren't being looked at.

At all times, this is about leveraging, but these types of actions that the Marlins and Twins are embarking on could be precursors to relocation.

Hey, in an extreme example, Mayor Wagner said the same thing just before the Dodgers moved to LA. That seemed impossible at the time.[/serious>]
   44. Anthony Giacalone Posted: January 14, 2006 at 12:28 AM (#1820261)
Oddly, I think we're Nationals territory. However, Charlotte is Braves territory.

Technically, here in Charlotte we are Braves, Orioles AND Nationals territory. Or so my MLB.com tells me. Bastards.
   45. Anthony Giacalone Posted: January 14, 2006 at 12:33 AM (#1820275)
The funny thing is that the MOST viable market for a(nother) baseball team is probably New York City.
   46. villageidiom Posted: January 14, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#1820301)
Dan, how did Ray Cansella's cornfield not make the list?

People would come, Dan. People would most definitely come.


No, you're still thinking of Vegas.
   47. caprules Posted: January 14, 2006 at 12:58 AM (#1820306)
Dan, great work. I'm spending far too much mental energy trying to determine if there is a funny reason that a picture with Siegfried and Roy are included. Of course, the whole process could be described as a circus, so good job!
   48. Not Marv Cook Posted: January 14, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#1820310)
I pity you Anthony, only 3 home teams? Here in Eastern Iowa we're in Cubs, White Sox, Twins, Brewers, Cardinals and Royals territory.
   49. Not Marv Cook Posted: January 14, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#1820312)
Also, the new ballpark in Cedar Rapids is indeed very nice, although I fear that and MLB team would put an end to $1 beer Wednesdays...and nobody wants that.
   50. Dan Evensen Posted: January 14, 2006 at 01:36 AM (#1820337)
I vote that we just eliminate a team and import the "Lovely Ladies" franchise from Baseball Stars. They always drew big crowds on my cartridge.
   51. zonk Posted: January 14, 2006 at 02:28 AM (#1820372)
Heh-heh.

Dan should post more TO entries stoned!
   52. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: January 14, 2006 at 02:33 AM (#1820375)
Why didn't you put Toowoomba in there?
   53. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: January 14, 2006 at 05:38 AM (#1820537)
#16 Oahu or Juneau? The road trips would be devastating.

Montreal would work without Loria. Heck, Miami would work without Loria.


Road trips, in Juneau ? Man, there are no roads leading to Juneau... Anchorage might do, only in July, though.

Montreal won't ever work anymore... Forget that.
   54. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: January 14, 2006 at 06:30 AM (#1820579)
It's about time MLB returned to Troy, NY. It's been more than a century.
   55. Andere Richtingen Posted: January 14, 2006 at 03:17 PM (#1820715)
Dan, how did Ray Cansella's cornfield not make the list?

People would come, Dan. People would most definitely come.

No, you're still thinking of Vegas.


An Iowa-themed Las Vegas casino? Genius!

My billion-dollar idea of a Vatican-themed Vegas casino was spoiled when they built the Venetian (too close), but the Iowa theme is a winner.
   56. Styles P. Deadball Posted: January 14, 2006 at 05:03 PM (#1820776)
After reading post #33, I don't feel as puffed up about one-hopping one into the corn three years ago. Of course, now that I'm older, I fully believe that the gap power I showed back then (at age 31) has translated into legitimate HR power.
   57. Quinton McCracken's BFF Posted: January 14, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#1820861)
I think the Rangers beat everyone to Vegas already - see if you can spot their logo on the pic.
   58. Andere Richtingen Posted: January 14, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#1820865)
I've been as skeptical as the next guy (thinking Mabry would platoon with Murton, for instance), but I didn't think this.

That's for Madame Tussaud's. It only seems like the Rangers are fielding a lineup of wax dummies when they're in the field.
   59. ligtreb Posted: January 15, 2006 at 12:15 AM (#1821161)
No Atlantis?
   60. zizek Posted: January 15, 2006 at 02:41 AM (#1821478)
"Low minority population to keep Old Timey Southern Conservatives and Elitist Liberals from feeling too creeped-out."

That's only a problem for conservatives. That's why there aren't any black GOP congressmen.
   61. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 16, 2006 at 02:47 AM (#1822882)
<i>This article evaluates some of the real possibilities.<i>

That guy's estimation of Portland's population is low, largely because he didn't even consider Clackamas County, where nearly a third of the metro area's population resides. Dumbass.
   62. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: January 16, 2006 at 02:50 AM (#1822890)
Dumbass.

Clacka-dumbass, even.
   63. ElBirdoLoco Posted: January 16, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#1824210)
i live in CR, it is got to be one of the ugliest and smelliest towns you could imagine. there are like 6 factories right in town that emit some of the most putrid odors, not to mention they have a giant mountain of garbage right in Czech Village...
   64. Christi Chung Posted: January 17, 2006 at 05:11 PM (#1825004)
The serious options as in my mind:
1. North New Jersey
2. Connecticut
3. Porland
4. San Antonio
5. Indianapolis
6. Vancouver
7. New Orleans (not now)
8. Las Vegas
   65. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 17, 2006 at 05:25 PM (#1825026)
i live in CR, it is got to be one of the ugliest and smelliest towns you could imagine. there are like 6 factories right in town that emit some of the most putrid odors, not to mention they have a giant mountain of garbage right in Czech Village...

The City of Five <strike>Seasons</strike> Smells
   66. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: January 17, 2006 at 06:06 PM (#1825097)
This was one of the few times I've laughed out loud reading this site. Not too good at work.

Do you work at a funeral parlor?

I would vote for Buffalo, if they'd build a domed stadium. Or Phoenix, if they built a retractable-roofed stadium.
   67. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: January 17, 2006 at 06:20 PM (#1825124)
[serious]You don't try to get out of a lease in Minnesota, nor go traipsing 7 hours on a plane to Portland, if options aren't being looked at.

At all times, this is about leveraging, but these types of actions that the Marlins and Twins are embarking on could be precursors to relocation.

Hey, in an extreme example, Mayor Wagner said the same thing just before the Dodgers moved to LA. That seemed impossible at the time.[/serious>]


Anything's possible, but MLB owners have got to understand that any viable move would represent a downgrade in terms of earnings potential. The only way such a move is happening is if a MAJOR sweetheart deal is offered by one of the potential cities - something that doesn't seem to be in the cards at the moment.

This isn't like the Dodgers moving to LA - they moved out of a lucrative but crowded market into a huge market that was baseball-starved and growing by leaps and bounds. To borrow an oil term, LA was an untapped elephant field. There are no more elephant fields out there for baseball to tap into.

I think it's far more likely that the Twins get contracted than they end up moving out of Minnesota.
   68. Flynn Posted: January 18, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#1825965)
There are no more elephant fields out there for baseball to tap into.

There's one that would be a significant upgrade from almost anywhere, but no one wants to talk about it because of useless crap like "territorial rights".
   69. Nuclear Dish Posted: January 19, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#1828531)
Oddly, I think we're Nationals territory. However, Charlotte is Braves territory.


I'm relatively sure this is no official Nationals territory. Any territory that is Nationals territory is also Orioles territory, by agreement between the Orioles and MLB as part of the relocation. The Orioles own 75% of MASN, which owns the rights to both Orioles and Nationals broadcasts. MLB bought the other 25% of the network for about $700M.

Thus, the Triangle, which was Orioles territory until the Expos relocated, is still Orioles territory, but also includes the Nationals now.

Charlotte was considered the border between the end of the Orioles territory and the beginning of the Braves territory. That's why it's now listed as being in the territory of all 3 teams now.
   70. Barca Posted: January 19, 2006 at 06:30 PM (#1828543)
<<The serious options as in my mind:
1. North New Jersey
2. Connecticut
3. Porland
4. San Antonio>>

Obviously the New York area, although probably pretty viable, has territorial rights issues. But otherwise you are right.
Everytime the issues comes up locally, the competitors for Albuquerque are Portland and San Antonio. For Football, it is Albuquerque, Portland, San Antonio, and that little town of Los Angeles.
The Mayor and Governor have sworn never to let Portland outbid Albuquerque again.
Looking at the problems other teams have with their cities, someone should take advantage of that promise before it fades.
   71. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: January 19, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#1828590)
The Mayor and Governor have sworn never to let Portland outbid Albuquerque again.
Looking at the problems other teams have with their cities, someone should take advantage of that promise before it fades.


Given that Portland's bid for an MLB team seems to be zero, I don't think it would be hard for them to keep that promise.

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