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Tuesday, December 15, 2009

White Sox - Acquired Pierre

Chicago White Sox - Acquired OF Juan Pierre from the Los Angeles Dodgers for two unnamed minor league pitchers.

This is Great News!  For John McCain!

Well, it’s certainly not great news for White Sox fans.  True, the White Sox only have to pay roughly $9 million of Pierre’s salary over the next two years, but that’s like getting shot 4 times instead of 8 times.  Pierre did contribute in 2009 and fill-in pretty decently for Ramirez during the suspension, but the smart money is him returning to being the same crappy punch-and-judy hitter he’s been for years.  It’s made even worse that while he has the speed to play centerfield, he’s a weaker thrower with his good arm than Pete Gray was with his bad one.

No pitchers have been named as of yet, but considering the Dodgers are essentially gaining $9 million for a 5th outfielder, the minor league pitchers would have to be serial killers or fullonrapists to make this a poor move for the Dodgers.

ZiPS Projection - Juan Pierre (LF)
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          AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA OBP SLG OPS+ 
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2010       434 65 125 17   5   1   33 28 29 38 .288 .339 .357   85  
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Top Near-Age Offensive Comps:  Luis Polonia, Dave Collins, Eric Owens

ODDIBE

Offense
Top Quintile   0%
2nd Quintile   4%
Mid Quintile   9%
4th Quintile   21%
Low Quintile   65%

OPS+              OBP           3B         Hits
160+        0%    .400+    1%    10+    4%    200+  0%
140+        0%    .375+    8%    5+    41%    150+  3%
130+        0%    .350+    34%
120+        0%    .325+    71%    2B
110+        3%    .300+    93%    45+    0%
100+        11%                30+    1%
90+          31%
80+          63%
60+          89%

BA               SLG           HR         SB
.350+        2%    .550+    0%    50+    0%    70+    0%
.325+        10%  .500+    0%    40+    0%    50+    14%
.300+        34%  .450+    0%    30+    0%    30+    84%
.275+        69%  .400+    9%    20+    0%    10+    100%
.250+        93%  .350+    58%    10+    0%

(Based on Projected PA)

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 15, 2009 at 05:48 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: December 15, 2009 at 06:07 PM (#3413422)
Wow. 2 of the comps are luminaries the A's tried to plug into left while Rickey was wandering the desert in pinstripes. That's not good!
   2. Al Kaline Trio Posted: December 15, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3413432)
I'd like to see a throw off between Damon and Pierre.
   3. Steve Treder Posted: December 15, 2009 at 06:15 PM (#3413444)
I'd like to see a throw off between Damon and Pierre.

That would be a throw off ... that would make you throw up!

/McCarver
   4. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 15, 2009 at 06:26 PM (#3413481)
Dan, I must say you're hammering out TOs at a maniacal pace this morning.

As sad as this sounds, I'd definitely take that projection for Pierre. That .340 OBP is likely well above the Sox' current (projected) lineup.

I'd be interested in knowing -- if Pierre rates as +5 or +10 defensively in LF and puts up that line, where does that put him in comparison to an average LFer? Somewhere between replacement level and below average, I hope?
   5. aleskel Posted: December 15, 2009 at 06:59 PM (#3413559)
dang, I clicked on this thread hoping for a snarky photoshop joke. Oh well, I'll settle for the verbal jabs.
   6. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 15, 2009 at 07:21 PM (#3413589)
Heh, using the #s from baseballprojection, he's almost a dead match for Scott Podsednik (one less run of offense, two more runs of defense).
   7. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: December 15, 2009 at 09:02 PM (#3413785)
Hey Dan, your SLG number looks off. Not "Pierre sucks even worse than that" off, but "I add up the numbers and get .357" off. Yes I know rounding and everything, but that still seems like a big discrepancy.
   8. 100 Years is Nothing Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:15 AM (#3414102)
When all you can really do is hit singles, how hiogh should his slugging be? To get to a .400 slugging, He would have to hit .375. Good luck with that happening.
   9. SG Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:26 AM (#3414111)
I'd be interested in knowing -- if Pierre rates as +5 or +10 defensively in LF and puts up that line, where does that put him in comparison to an average LFer? Somewhere between replacement level and below average, I hope?


Depends a bit on the SB%, but assuming Pierre remains a high-percentage stealer, that projection's around 5 runs better than a replacement level LF offensively. So he'd project around a half win above replacement level before you add in defense. Give him +5 and he's about one win above replacement, one win below average. Give him +10 and he's a half win better.
   10. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:40 AM (#3414122)
100 years,

I mean that if you add up the total bases in the above projection and divide it by at bats, you get ".357". Dan has ".387".
   11. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:42 AM (#3414124)
In a perverse way, I am actually looking forward to Plaschke's take on this trade.
   12. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:43 AM (#3414125)
Depends a bit on the SB%, but assuming Pierre remains a high-percentage stealer

He's not a high % basestealer, unfortunately.
   13. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:45 AM (#3414129)
Fixed. Hit 8 on the numpad instead of 5.
   14.     Hey Gurl Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:52 AM (#3414132)

In a perverse way, I am actually looking forward to Plaschke's take on this trade.


He hustles.

First, he hustles onto the field.

Then, he hustles to the batter's box.

He hustles to first.

Hustles to second.

To third.

Home.

And now, he's hustling to the White Sox.

...

There, I started it for him.
   15. SG Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:53 AM (#3414133)
He's not a high % basestealer, unfortunately.


He's around 77.5% the last three years, that's not too bad. If he's 38 SB/11 CS with that projection, then yeah, he's still around +5 above a replacement LF. He would lose around .4 runs of value for each extra CS above that.
   16. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:59 AM (#3414139)
Thanks SG.
   17. Zipperholes Posted: December 16, 2009 at 01:04 AM (#3414140)
Just watched MLB Network's (Reynolds & Williams) take on it. The analysis on that station is worthless when it comes to transactions and player evaluation. Mostly about how Pierre is a winner, he improves the OF defense, and he'll be a great leadoff hitter now that he doesn't have to hit behind a pitcher. They need to stick to on-the-field stuff, though nobody's interested in learning how to do a slide step at Christmastime.
   18. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 16, 2009 at 01:05 AM (#3414142)
After his first year, Pierre's most similar by age was named Ginger. He moved up to Buttercup the next year.
   19. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: December 16, 2009 at 01:16 AM (#3414154)
Typing Dan?

I thought you'd have a HAL like super computer cranking all that out by now. In fact, I had assumed you were already in suspended animation while having your thoughts transmitted via wires in your cerebral cortex to the internet via said computer.

Like the borg, only funnier. The Szymborg.
   20. tomdaddydollars Posted: December 16, 2009 at 03:39 AM (#3414287)
Surprised not to see anything about the Halladay/Lee trade yet.
   21. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: December 16, 2009 at 03:52 AM (#3414293)
That trade isn't done yet.
   22. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 16, 2009 at 04:17 AM (#3414318)
Yeah, I'm not touching a trade that complex until everyone's done and all the names are official.
   23. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 17, 2009 at 11:31 PM (#3416402)
This means the White Sox have acquired two of Colletti's three free agent debacles this offseason. I hope they sign Jason Schmidt to complete the trifecta.

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