White Sox - Acquired Quentin
Chicago White Sox - Acquired OF Carlos Quentin from the Arizona Diamondbacks for 1B Chris Carter.
Some people may fret that this is all the Diamondbacks could get for Quentin, but I just don’t see it. While I think Quentin will be a good solid player, but he’s also coming off shoulder surgery for two outstanding issues (labrum and rotator cuff) and isn’t as young as many people might think (he’ll be 26 before the season ends). The Diamondbacks are in competition for the playoffs again in 2008 and they have a lot of players that need playing time, so it makes sense to trade for a player that might help down the road, especially with Byrnes absolutely not going anywhere.
The White Sox think they’re competing in 2008, but they’re really not. But Quentin still helps them as the team has gotten very little out of left the last few years and even a disappointing Quentin recovering from shoulder problems would be an upgrade. I’m assuming Quentin’s in left because I doubt they’re going to move Dye out of right.
The Diamondbacks have been acquiring and trading away Chris Carters, so for those that haven’t seen either of them, the Diamondbacks now have Black Chris Carter while the Red Sox have White Chris Carter. There should be a rule in baseball that people with identical first and last names should either be different races, play different positions, or be drastically different in quality and if they’re not, the younger one should be forced to change their first name. I could handle Good Jeff D’Amico and Bad Jeff D’Amico and 3B Josh Fields/Ryan Braun and P Josh Fields/Ryan Braun, but I still have nightmares about the two white journeyman hurler Steve Montgomerys (Montgomeries? Montgomerii?)
Both projections surprise me quite a bit. The Quentin one shouldn’t - ZiPS has no idea that Quentin was playing throw a shoulder problem. The Carter one is downright shocking since ZiPS is almost always quite cruel when projecting major league numbers for someone way down in the Sally League. Maybe Levski snuck into my house and did some reprogramming?
2008 ZiPS Projection - Carlos Quentin
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
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Projection 418 62 104 30 3 13 60 36 79 4 .249 .342 .428
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Opt. (15%) 485 85 132 37 4 19 83 48 83 9 .272 .372 .482
Pes. (15%) 358 46 81 23 1 9 45 27 77 2 .226 .298 .372
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Top Comps: Jermaine Dye, Darnell Coles
2008 ZiPS Projection - Chris Carter, the Right One
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
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Projection 503 42 120 25 2 25 80 48 127 2 .239 .311 .445
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Opt. (15%) 538 53 145 30 3 30 99 56 122 5 .270 .345 .504
Pes. (15%) 471 35 105 21 0 21 68 40 127 0 .223 .287 .401
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Top Comps: Hawk Harrelson, Tom Brunansky
Dan Szymborski
Posted: December 09, 2007 at 08:34 PM |
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1. joshtothemaxx Posted: December 09, 2007 at 09:26 PM (#2639561)Sheeet. Micah in LF, Byrnes to splinter-picking duty on the bench.
Quentin is an excellent defensive right fielder.
Most intelligent Sox fans would move Dye to LF in an instant, as at this point in his career he seems to be running in sand out there. Unfortunately, I think Dye will ultimately stay in RF because they're not going to ask the veteran to move for the 'young kid'. That's a real shame, too, because I'm pretty sure Dye was among the worst RFers based on UZR. His (Dye's) arm would play well above average for LF and his slow-feet wouldn't be that big of an issue.
How about 3B Steve Ontiveros and P Steve Ontiveros?
That, or the D-backs have found the position player equivalent of Liriano.
A man can dream.
A man can dream.
Atleast there were no TD or recv yards column in the projection.
So basically the "right" Chris Carter is already a better hitter than Richie Sexson. I'll take that.
The AAA Carter didn't have a position to play for the D-backs. What they've done is basically gotten Conor Jackson's replacement when he gets more expensive several years down the road, as well as add a prospect with plus power in the system after the graduation of Young, Reynolds and Upton. A- Carter's 25 homers were more than any D-back minor leaguer hit last season.
And how often does that work? Most young right-handed players don't play first base unless they are slow, awkward, and/or can't throw (and often all three). Most right-handed first basemen in the majors played third, caught, or played the outfield in the minors. In fact, I think all of the regulars at first in 2007 who threw right-handed played C, OF, 3B in the minors.
A 20-year-old kid playing first is a yellow flag unless he's left-handed.
If Carter can learn to be a decent first baseman, then he has some value because he can drive the ball, but if he can't, he's worth a lot less, frankly.
One is Alex Gonzalez and the other is Sea Bass Gonzalez.
But nothing will ever top =6236"]Greg Adams (mid-20s, from British Columbia) and <a >Greg Adams (mid-20s, from British Columbia)</a> both playing on the same line for the Vancouver Canucks for part of the 1988-89 season.
That's just crazy.
For a while, we thought we could get away with the bad Alex Gonzalez and the worse Alex Gonzalez, but bad went to worse awfully quickly. Expensive Alex Gonzalez vs. cheap Alex Gonzalez worked for a while, but the cheap (aka original worse) one got expensive and the expensive one got cheap then retired (I think). Haven't seen either for a while so my memory may be off, but I recall cheap, original worse Gonzalez as blanco and expensive, original bad Gonzalez as mui blanco.
So that's expensive/cheap bad/worse mui blanco Alex Gonzalez vs. cheap/expensive worse blanco Alex Gonzalez. I don't see how you could confuse those two.
The easiest thing is to realize that one of them has a ring, the other played for the Cubs. Also one of them was once considered the possible next Alex Rodriguez (though that was probably just somebody confusing two hispanic SS named Alex) while the other's upside was the bad Alex Gonzalez.
I know one of them hit a homer off Jeff Weaver to win a WS game.
Then my work in this thread is done!
(Just kidding, MGL).
Wow! Thanks for that... The Devil has to be involved...
Those of us who attended The Bartman Game™ sure as hell do.
One gigantic white pitcher and one smaller, black outfielder. That's how you avoid confusion.
Also, these Chris Carters both go by their middle name?!?!? Obviously from now on we should refer exclusively to "Vernon Carter" and "Billy Carter". But which of those is which again?
It's too bad Mark Recchi, Joe Reekie, and Mike Ricci never played together.
We already had that figured out Dan. Besides it wasn't you, it was ZIPS.
Recchi and Ricci did.
Ulf Samuelsson and Kjell Samuelsson played together too. And of course there's the Sedin twins.
Things began to favor the Marlins as soon as they removed their Alex from the game.
So the white one was the good one?
Darryl and Duane
Brent and Brian
Rich and Ron (twins, had their full names printed on their jerseys when on the same team)
Only one has made it to the HOF (Brian).
Of the four "major" leagues in North America, hockey is probably the one with the most brother/father/son sets.
Even great players (Mario Lemieux, Wayne Gretzky, Gordie Howe, Patrick Roy, Mark Messier) had little-known brothers that played in the NHL.
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