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Thursday, November 05, 2009

White Sox - Acquired Teahen, Signed Kotsay

Chicago White Sox - Acquired 3B-OF Mark Teahen from the Kansas City Royals for 3B-OF Josh Fields and 2B Chris Getz; Signed OF Mark Kotsay to a 1-year, $1.5 million contract.

A pretty bad and pretty pointless trade for the White Sox.  Luckily for White Sox fans, when it comes to Kenny Williams, the trades I love turn out badly and the trades I hate turn out well, so Teahen will hit 40 home runs, Kotsay will win a Gold Glove, Josh Fields will contract lupus, and Getz will go on a shooting spree on the 2 train when the Royals visit New York.

Josh Fields has been pretty poor defensively, but Teahen’s not a good defensive player either and isn’t really a good hitter.  If Teahen ends up replacing Dye, the White Sox have a problem in right field.  If Teahen plays 3rd and Beckham shifts to 2nd, the White Sox have a problem at 2nd.  Why trade Chris Getz, a serviceable, cheap, unspectacular player, along with Fields to not solve any problems?  When you take into consideration that Teahen’s likely going to cost north of $4 million in 2010, it just seems puzzling.  The White Sox are far more than this away from being a solid team and the offseason’s not even 24 hours old, so why the rush to send away Getz, Fields, and a few million bucks?

Kotsay played quite a bit of 1st for the Sox and hit well for a backup (292/349/434 in 40 games with the White Sox).  Problem is that he’s unlikely to hit anywhere near that again and his defense in center is just about gone, so he doesn’t do much for the team.  At least it’s only $1.5 million.  If the White Sox are truly concerned about finances, I’d strongly recommend not dropping $5.5 million by the first week of November without improving the team.

For the Royals, the upside is obvious.  The team gets a couple of players that aren’t stars but certainly better than Willie Bloomquist, and they save a few million bucks, given that I don’t think they had the guts to non-tender Teahen.  Good move for a franchise that hasn’t had many recently.

2010 ZiPS Projections
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Player     AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG OPS+
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Fields     411 48 100 20 2 12 49 41 120   7 .243 .314 .389   85
Getz       413 52 117 21 3   3 34 32 51 18 .283 .338 .370   88
Kotsay     290 30   79 16 1   4 35 22 33   3 .272 .321 .376   85
Teahen     526 72 136 26 4 18 57 48 136   8 .259 .324 .426   96
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Dan Szymborski Posted: November 05, 2009 at 08:23 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 08:56 PM (#3379924)
I don't know...

That 96 OPS+ woulda been big stuff in LF at CitiField...
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 10:55 PM (#3380079)
Good move for a franchise that hasn't had many recently.

Yeah, the whole Farnsworth/Horacio Ramirez/Bloomquist/Jacobs/Betancourt season was an impressive run of crappy GM-ing. Torched something north of $25M plus shipped out a handful of decent young arms for absolutely no return at all. And, save Jacobs, it was all blatantly obvious stupidity before the fact.
   3. The Wizard Posted: November 05, 2009 at 10:59 PM (#3380088)
If Teahen plays 3rd and Beckham shifts to 2nd, the White Sox have a problem at 2nd.

That's 3rd, right Dan?
   4. JPWF13 Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:03 PM (#3380093)
That 96 OPS+ woulda been big stuff in LF at CitiField...



Mutt LFs hit .276/.352/.421
   5. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:08 PM (#3380099)
That's 3rd, right Dan?

Yeah, Beckham at 2nd is unlikely to be a problem!
   6. The Wizard Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:17 PM (#3380110)
Yeah, Beckham at 2nd is unlikely to be a problem!

I thought so!
   7. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:19 PM (#3380112)
I like to exclaim too!
   8. Jeff K. Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:23 PM (#3380117)
I don't, but I will if it's necessary!
   9. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:26 PM (#3380123)
Why trade Chris Getz, a serviceable, cheap, unspectacular player, along with Fields to not solve any problems?

Well, Teahen's a better player than Chris Getz is, and unlike Getz, he's not continually getting hurt.

It all depends on what the White Sox plan to do with Teahen. If Teahen is supposed to be a corner outfielder or third baseman and play every day, then no, he's not the answer to any question. He's a fine player to have coming off the bench, though.

As for Kotsay... meh. His salary isn't going to kill the team. I have a feeling that the White Sox aren't going to be that team that doesn't do what they need to do to compete because they're trying to shave a few hundred thousand off the budget.

One thing the White Sox are desperately missing is internal options at the corner positions. They pretty much need to get like Kotsay and Teahen because they don't have young players that are even close to major-league ready. This is turning around since the ignonimous end of the Dave Wilder era, but in the meantime...
   10. RobertMachemer Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:27 PM (#3380125)
I don't whatsoever?
   11. RobertMachemer Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:27 PM (#3380126)
Apparently not.
   12. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:40 PM (#3380140)
Hey, I take the 2 train every day. Let him shoot up the G. That only goes to Queens.
   13. Marcel Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:45 PM (#3380146)
And, save Jacobs, it was all blatantly obvious stupidity before the fact.

I thought the Jacobs move was pretty obviously a horrible move too. It was panned by pretty much everyone at the time.
   14. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 12:12 AM (#3380178)
By the way, neither the White Sox nor the Royals have confirmed the Teahen trade yet.
   15. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 03:52 PM (#3380608)
Rumor has it that this deal is being held up while the Royals and White Sox haggle over money - the White Sox want the Royals to kick down some cash, and the Royals are balking at that.
   16. karkface killah Posted: November 06, 2009 at 06:17 PM (#3380802)
Where's Vicideo?
   17. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 06:22 PM (#3380816)
Where's Vicideo?

Last I heard, he played a few games in the AFL and left with some injury (forget what). He's still at least 2-3 years away from the majors, if he makes it at all. 2009 wasn't a great year for him.
   18. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 06, 2009 at 06:30 PM (#3380830)
Edit: Nevermind, I'm not willing to take the heat for making a joke like that.
   19. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 06:49 PM (#3380870)
Reports are filtering in that this deal has been made official - Getz and Fields for Teahen and "cash considerations".
   20. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 06, 2009 at 06:50 PM (#3380872)
Getz will go on a shooting spree on the 2 train when the Royals visit New York.

Why would he be on the 2? That transfer to the 4 at 149th is a drag.
   21. Zoppity Zoop Posted: November 06, 2009 at 07:45 PM (#3381015)
He's referencing Bernie Goetz. Come on, you guys are supposed to be smart and that wasn't nearly Repoz-level difficulty of reference.
   22. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 07:47 PM (#3381025)
For the Royals, the upside is obvious. The team gets a couple of players that aren't stars but certainly better than Willie Bloomquist, and they save a few million bucks

The details haven't officially been made public yet, rumor is that the Royals sent $2 million along with Teahen.
   23. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: November 06, 2009 at 07:49 PM (#3381030)
The details haven't officially been made public yet, rumor is that the Royals sent $2 million along with Teahen.

So they don't save any damn money. Now it makes no sense. Which is a relief, actually, as I don't want to think well of anything Dayton Moore does.
   24. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 06, 2009 at 07:53 PM (#3381045)
He's referencing Bernie Goetz. Come on, you guys are supposed to be smart and that wasn't nearly Repoz-level difficulty of reference.

Bernie didn't go on a shooting spree. Besides, I was 5 years old when that happened, so I don't remember what train line it was.

My father actually attended the same school as Bernie for a year when the Goetz kids were sent away during Papa Goetz's pedophilia ordeal. Young Bernie was a weird dude even then.
   25. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 06, 2009 at 07:55 PM (#3381047)
$2 million? Ouch.
   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 06, 2009 at 07:57 PM (#3381057)
Bernie didn't go on a shooting spree.


He shot four people. How many do you have to shoot before it's considered a "spree"?
   27. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:02 PM (#3381067)
I think 4 people is a spree, but admittedly on the low-end.

I'd say: 1

1-3 - incident
4-8 - spree
9-16 - frenzy
17+ - massacre
   28. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3381079)
He shot four people. How many do you have to shoot before it's considered a "spree"?

Spree indicates to me that he moved around and acquired targets. These fellows more or less presented themselves to Bernie. The weapon only held five rounds. I think you need to get up to double digits to qualify as a spree.

It's possible I'm influenced by the designation of Andrew Cunanan and his ilk as "spree killers."
   29. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:08 PM (#3381094)
Probably not the best day for this discussion, guys.
   30. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:11 PM (#3381104)
Hey, I'm not a Bernhard Goetz fan. Creepy dude.
   31. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:29 PM (#3381147)
Bits and snippets from Ken Williams, when asked (per reporter Chuck Garfein's twitter page -- I'm not linking that here) -

As of right now -

- Teahen plays 3B
- Beckham moves to 2B
- Podsednik "not likely" to return.
- Possibly revisiting the idea of a Thome return
   32. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:32 PM (#3381156)
Shooty, touché. I should note that when I did this post yesterday, I had not yet heard of the shooting (or I would not have made the crack).
   33. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:33 PM (#3381158)
Teahen shot how many now?
   34. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: November 06, 2009 at 08:37 PM (#3381167)
Shooty, touché. I should note that when I did this post yesterday, I had not yet heard of the shooting (or I would not have made the crack).

I wrote a jokey post, too, before I realized what I was doing. If any of you guys are around Ft. Hood or connected to it...I don't even know what to say. It's just awful.
   35. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: November 06, 2009 at 09:57 PM (#3381295)
- Teahen plays 3B
- Beckham moves to 2B
- Podsednik "not likely" to return.
- Possibly revisiting the idea of a Thome return


Nice catch, Dewey. So the offense is set, with the exception of LF (I'm assuming Quentin goes to RF) and 1B (or DH if Konerko stays at 1B). And I'm glad Pods isn't likely to return to LF -- as good as he was last year, I think it's pushing your luck to expect a repeat.

1B:
2B: Beckham
SS: Ramirez
3B: Teahan
C: Pierzynski
LF:
CF: Rios
RF: Quentin
DH: Konerko
UT: Nix
UT: Flowers
UT: Kotsay
UT: De Aza

The free agent market doesn't hold much in the way of interesting OF's, and Williams doesn't seem to like free agency anyway, so I assume a trade (involving Jenks) may be forthcoming. I doubt we'll see Figgins on the south side -- there may be interest, but not enough money.
   36. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:01 PM (#3381301)
I doubt Flowers is on the roster. The White Sox have said that they want him catching every day, and as long as Pierzynski's on the 25-man roster, that means playing in Charlotte.

And if De Aza's on the roster, that's a bad thing. The White Sox need to get at least one, preferably two, bats. I would really like it if Teahen was NOT in the lineup every day.
   37. Kiko Sakata Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:10 PM (#3381311)
I would really like it if Teahen was NOT in the lineup every day.


I suspect Kenny Williams feels the same way. It's a question of whether he'll be able to afford something better.

Any chance Jordan Danks is ready this year with Rios sliding to RF (Danks is a CF, right?)? Also, it'd be a shame, but I have a bad feeling that Carlos Quentin's future is at DH (my wife has Plantar Fascitis and it's a chronic condition that has a nasty tendency to have frequent recurrences that take annoyingly long to heal from; running around in the outfield isn't the best way to try to avoid these).
   38. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:15 PM (#3381321)
Any chance Jordan Danks is ready this year with Rios sliding to RF (Danks is a CF, right?)?

Danks is impressive so far in the AFL, but he had a mediocre year at AA. I don't think the Sox will or should count on him to be ready for Opening Day, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him enter the picture at some point during 2010.

I haven't seen Danks play, but what I've read about him suggests that, while Danks can handle center field for now, he's probably destined for a corner spot. Rios really should be left in center, anyway.

EDIT: And yes, I think Carlos Quentin will be a full-time DH, and sooner rather than later.
   39. MM1f Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3381338)
Danks is one of those guys that people talk about as a natural corner OF because of his size, but tools-wise he is natural CF.
Kind of how, despite his tools, Rios has been mostly a RF (obviously Wells had a lot to do with that though)

And if De Aza's on the roster, that's a bad thing.

Hes perfectly fine as the 25th man. Hes a natural fly-catcher, a good baserunner and he does a decent job slapping and getting on base. Good bunter too from what I remember.
   40. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:36 PM (#3381366)
Hes perfectly fine as the 25th man. Hes a natural fly-catcher, a good baserunner and he does a decent job slapping and getting on base. Good bunter too from what I remember.

Ideally, I'd like to see a bench of Kotsay-Teahen-Nix-(Fungible Backup Catcher), and the Sox work to acquire better players to cover their holes on the corners.
   41. Johnny Tuttle Posted: November 07, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3381818)
I'm already slotting Teahan into a Hinske career (wow, Captain Obvious): exposed as a starter but great on the pine. I'm not bragging here at my incredible insight--quite the opposite. Kenny has always exceeded my expectations, and I know he knows that.

Kudos for Kenny also for loving his position flex....he's avoid being trapped into having to get an OF or a 3B or a whatever: he can get the best player he can, regardless of position, and still sort it out. Very well done.
   42. Posada Posse Posted: November 07, 2009 at 03:03 PM (#3381827)
1B:
2B: Beckham
SS: Ramirez
3B: Teahan
C: Pierzynski
LF:
CF: Rios
RF: Quentin
DH: Konerko
UT: Nix
UT: Flowers
UT: Kotsay
UT: De Aza

For a team that was under .500 last season, this doesn't look too bad, especially if Rios and Quentin bounce back. I don't know much about Beckham but in looking at his stats and age, he seems to have some significant upside, especially if he plays at second base.

Kudos for Kenny also for loving his position flex....he's avoid being trapped into having to get an OF or a 3B or a whatever: he can get the best player he can, regardless of position, and still sort it out. Very well done.

Agreed.
   43. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 07, 2009 at 07:44 PM (#3381938)
It's only really useful flexibility if you'd actually want Teahen to start at the multiple positions. As a utility guy, it's just not that unusual a skill set - pitching staffs are too big nowadays to have an exclusive 3B backup very often.

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