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Thursday, December 21, 2006

White Sox - Signed Hall

Chicago White Sox - Signed C Toby Hall to a 1-year contract.

Hall’s not a good starter and he’s certainly not someone you’d cash in a prospect for, but he’s a serviceable backup since he’s solid defensively and can occasionally hit a homer.  He doesn’t kill lefties, but he has an OPS 100 points better against them for his career than Pierzynski has and even if Ozzie doesn’t want to demote Pierzynski to a straight platoon after he just made an All-Star appearance, Hall should get a lot of time against lefties when A.J’s resting.

2007 ZiPS Projection - Toby Hall
          AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
Projection   301 22   78 14 0   6 40 15 36   0 .259 .305 .365    
Opt. (15%)  358 33 103 20 1 11 65 22 38   0 .288 .338 .441
Pes. (15%)  186 11   43   7 0   2 18   7 26   0 .231 .267 .301

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 21, 2006 at 06:46 PM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: December 21, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2266612)
We already discussed this a bit, but in addition to Hall not being Widger or Alomar, giving Guillen the confidence that he can still win if he rests AJ will make for a fresher AJ come the last 50 games.
   2. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 21, 2006 at 08:30 PM (#2266647)
Assuming he's used mostly against lefties, I'll take the Optimist percentages projections at the Pessimistic PA projections. And if he somehow winds up getting the Optimistic PA projection, then his production will be along the lines of the Pessimistic percentage projection. If that makes any sense.
   3. 1k5v3L Posted: December 23, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2267781)
Not sure where to put this, but a White Sox thread might do:

From rotoworld

Sources told the Dallas Morning News that the Rangers have acquired Brandon McCarthy from the White Sox for John Danks and Nick Masset.

Wow. There will also be a couple of lesser prospects exchanged. The White Sox had previously been after both Danks and Masset in a Jon Garland trade. This is far a better trade for the Rangers. McCarthy isn't far away from being a better pitcher than Garland and he's five years away from free agency. Garland, on the other hand, is due $22 million over the next two years before he becomes a free agent. The White Sox are getting a couple of talented arms here, but this is the third trade Ken Williams has made this winter that we're not fond of.
Source: Dallas Morning News

link to dallas morning news
   4. 1k5v3L Posted: December 23, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2267782)
Also, I don't know much about the Rangers prospects involved in this trade, but I think Kenny W got shafted.

Two bad trades in a row, first Garcia to PHI, now McCarthy to TEX. Kenny W is acting like the Kenny W of old
   5. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: December 23, 2006 at 07:44 PM (#2267783)
I don't know where else to put this, but the White Sox have evidently traded Brandon McCarthy to the Rangers for John Danks and Nick Masset.

Danks had a 4.33 ERA as a 21-year-old at AAA Oklahoma last season -- 72 Ks, 34 BBs and 11 HRs allowed in 70-2/3 innings pitched. So he's McCarthy's mini me? Lots of Ks, too many homers allowed?

Is Masset a throw-in? He looked bad until '06, when he pitched OK in AA and AAA.

No idea what Kenny is thinking for the 5th starter. Is the plan to hope one of the recently-acquired young pitchers (maybe Floyd or Sisco) gets the job? Or to try and sign someone like Pineiro on the cheap (if that's even possible)?
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: December 23, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2267784)
too slow, too slow :P
   7. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: December 23, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2267792)
"too slow, too slow :P"


I disagree that Kenny W is "acting like the Kenny W of old." He's acting like his polar opposite, trading for (rather than away) gobs of young pitchers. Sisco, Floyd, Gonzalez, Danks, Aardsma -- that's a nice collection of arms, and I'm sure the hope is that 1-2 of them are a part of the next great Sox rotation. But I'm still wondering what happens in '07. There are still a number of question marks/areas that could be improved:

back of the 'pen

The only change created by Williams' moves this off-season is to add another question mark (#5 starter) while acquiring a bunch of guys who could potentially help in the pen.

Of course, I'd be more worried if it was March.
   8. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 23, 2006 at 08:09 PM (#2267796)
Wow. Pretty bold move, and the first guy that might come back to haunt the team.
   9. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: December 23, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2267801)

Jon-Boy has done well, it seems. I'm much happier about getting McCarthy than getting Garland, as has been rumored.
   10. Raskolnikov Posted: December 23, 2006 at 08:51 PM (#2267812)
I like the move for both sides. If the WS staff didn't have confidence in McCarthy, as they've resisted moving him to the rotation for quite a while now, they might as well trade him for a top pitching prospect.
   11. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 23, 2006 at 09:04 PM (#2267816)
It's a pretty interesting move. Danks almost certainly has a higher ceiling than McCarthy does, but ceiling doesn't always translate.

We'll just have to wait and see. Williams has assembled himself quite a bit of pitching potential.
   12. FJ Posted: December 23, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2267822)
Let's put it this way.

From a Rangers' fans' perspective, I like this deal a whole lot better than the Eaton/Young deal. I definitely like the deal a lot more than the Garland rumors that were floating around.

McCarthy actually might have the higher ceiling than Danks.

Danks' ceiling is as a #2. McCarthy, I've heard some people argue could be a potential ace (though I'm not sure I believe that).

OTOH, McCarthy's HR rate won't be so hot at TBIA.

I think fans of both sides could love this deal, and they could also hate this deal.

   13. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 23, 2006 at 09:14 PM (#2267823)
It looks like Williams has decided that he doesn't want to/can't sign good pitchers when they are free agents because of the price involved so he's stockpiling pitching prospects. Even if Buerhle doesn't pitch much better than he did last year, how much is he going to get as free agent with his track record and his age?
   14. asinwreck Posted: December 23, 2006 at 09:16 PM (#2267825)
Wow. Pretty bold move, and the first guy that might come back to haunt the team.

Of this offseason? Because Chris Young would look great in a White Sox uniform in 2007. Williams must adore the Danks family after drafting John's brother. The Sox have so much young pitching now I almost expect a big trade (maybe for an outfielder) to happen soon.
   15. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: December 23, 2006 at 09:22 PM (#2267827)
Bad trade for both teams. McCarthy is ill suited for Texas and Danks' upside is no better than McCarthy's. Masset is a very nice relief arm, so I suppose I give the slight edge to KW.
   16. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: December 23, 2006 at 09:36 PM (#2267830)
"I definitely like the deal a lot more than the Garland rumors that were floating around."

This is the second mention by a Rangers fan of relief that the team didn't get Garland, and frankly, I don't understand it. I assume that no one is willing to say McCarthy is currently a better pitcher than Garland, or will be a better pitcher than Garland in '07. So what are these fans saying?

To me, there are three kinds of pitchers you might want:

1-established in the majors as average or better (e.g. Garland, Garcia)

2-a bit of experience in the majors, good in the minors (e.g. McCarthy, Floyd, Sisco)

3-no experience in the majors, but good in the minors (e.g. Danks, Gonzalez)

I would assume that a team's preference would depend on the rest of their roster, and on their division. Is it that Texas fans don't expect to compete in '07? Because I would think that a slightly above-average pitcher who throws 210 or more innings per year would have a LOT of value to the Rangers.
   17. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: December 23, 2006 at 10:24 PM (#2267852)
Buck -

1) I suspect that it might have something to do with their relative performances against the Rangers. In the past three years, Garland has a 5.11 ERA against the Rangers (including a sparkling 8.18 at Ameriquest), whereas McCarthy has a 3.94 ERA against them (all but 1/3 IP coming at Ameriquest) and a BAA of .145 (!).

2) McCarthy has at least 1 more year of the rookie wage scale, then 3 years of arbitration before he can become a FA. Garland is signed for only the next two years, at a total cost of $22M. We have to assume that Hicks has a budget, and we'd like to see Barry Zito in the home white. Garland would almost preclude that - McCarthy not so much.

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