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Wednesday, November 30, 2005

White Sox - Signed Konerko

Chicago White Sox - Signed 1B Paul Konerko to a 5-year, $60 million contract.

Paul Konerko isn’t a star, Paul Konerko’s never been a star, and Paul Konerko never will be a star.  But the White Sox will be happy with this signing as Konerko stays in a park that makes him look like a star to the team, the front office, and the fans.  Staying in Chicago was very smart, even if he could have possibly extorted more from a team like the Orioles.  Since the White Sox changed the dimensions and the hitters background:


Konerko, Home: 289/378/568
Konerko, Road:  256/337/448

Perhaps I’m just happy that he’s not going to be the latest Oriole flop.  The White Sox aren’t a great team, but they’re fairly good everywhere, so I don’t think that this is going to hurt the team at all in the near-term and it’s not like there were a ton of great options on the open market.

In the long-term?  The Nerk will still have his Celluflated stats even if he declines a bit and someone would pick up the contract if the White Sox don’t want it.  I wouldn’t have personally made this signing, but it’s very understandable why the Sox pulled the trigger.  If most other teams made this same signing, I’d give a thumbs-down.

2006 ZiPS Projection - Paul Konerko
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AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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555 83 152 23 0 35 101 76 96   0 .274 .363 .505

 

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:37 PM | 67 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. danup Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:57 PM (#1753812)
Frank Thomas they hardly knew ye.
   2. danup Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:58 PM (#1753815)
Also dear god five years, $60M for a guy who's all-star-esque? Yikes.
   3. RickG Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:02 PM (#1753828)
There weren't any other options out there, not strong ones at least.

I'll miss Frank, but it really feels like this is the right move to make. Nice job keeping him on the south side even if it's a year longer and about 10 million too much.
   4. Don Guillote (The Cheat) Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:05 PM (#1753835)
The Sox have a very good track record when it comes to knowing when to let players walk. Ordinarily, this probably would have been one of those times, but with all of the goodwill and extra $$$ from a World Series victory, the Sox felt had to bring Konerko back.

It's only now, with the Sox payroll aproaching $90M, that I'm beginning to understand the trappings of a high payroll club. In the past, this would have been a no-brainer, c-ya later Paulie. I can now understand why the Yankees were stuck with an immobile Bernie Williams playing center field last year.
   5. Honkie Kong Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:06 PM (#1753839)
So this thumbs up /down motif...would be cooler if your handle sounded like some Roman Emperor :)
and that is all the wisdom I pour forth on this signing!
White sox..do they play on the east coast? no? pass
   6. PhillyBooster Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:13 PM (#1753853)
Surprisingly (to me, at least), Konerko will already be passing Frank Thomas in "Games at First Base for the White Sox" in 2006. He'll probably be about third all time by the end of the year (after Earl Sheeley and Joe Kuhel?) and the all-time White Sox First Baseman well before the end of the contract.
   7. buda73 Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:13 PM (#1753854)
I didn't realize Mr. Szymborski gets to decide who's a star and who isn't. Paulie got $12m/year, which is substantially less than what the elite hitters of the game have been receiving, so I don't see why you are attacking Paulie on those grounds.

I don't think that this is going to hurt the team at all in the near-term

Why would it? Who else were they going to get to play 1st?

The White Sox aren't a great team"</i>


Where did that come from? Full attack mode.

I'm just happy that he's not going to be the latest Oriole flop.

Why would he be a flop? Paulie's a good hitter even if he isn't a "star". I seriously think there is too much hatin' going on here.
   8. Halofan Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:25 PM (#1753888)
"Paulie" will be synonym for obese arthritic millionaire before the Chicago Art Institute finishes its current remodel.
   9. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:26 PM (#1753892)
In terms of home/road splits, the weird year seems to be 2004 -

2002 -

Home - .288/.343/.480
Road - .318/.374/.516

2003 -

Home - .245/.324/.414
Road - .223/.286/.384

2004 -

Home - .317/.414/.665
Road - .239/.301/.407

2005 -

Home - .292/.379/.580
Road - .276/.371/.492



Konerko certainly likes hitting in Chicago, but remember, Alex Rodriguez loved hitting in Arlington. The whole home/road split thing is overblown, IMO.
   10. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:29 PM (#1753898)
All things considered, I think this was a reasonable deal. Konerko is:

1) the best hitter at his position among the free agents this year,
2) arguably the best hitter among all the free agents this year,
3) a very popular player in the town he plays in, taking less money to stay than signing elsewhere, and
4) the standout player from last year's WS winning team.

Are they paying more than he's worth? Probably, but not massively. He's getting 5/60 and I think most would have thought 5/50 would have been reasonable. The White Sox will get 10m of goodwill from thier fans over the next few years, particularly if Konerko can match last year's stats in 2006.
   11. Artie Ziff Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:29 PM (#1753902)
He takes a smaller salary than Baltimore's offer. I guess playing in one of the weakest divisions is more important than making money and losing to New York every season. Smart move.
   12.   Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:44 PM (#1753932)
Really, when evaluating an FA signing, I believe there are only three questions that should be asked:

1. Is there a player available that could deliver similar production for less money?

2. Does the salary tie the team's hands to the extent where making needed improvements in the future is impossible?

3. Would the money have been better spent on another area?

I think that if you can say 'no' to all three of those questions, than the signing shouldn't be criticised. In this case, I doubt you can find a potential 40HR guy for cheaper than this, I don't think the salary really prevents the team from being able to make improvements in the future, and considering the offense kinda stunk last year, I don't think that the money should have been spent in another area.

So, nothing wrong with the signing in my opinion.
   13. SABRJoe Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:45 PM (#1753934)
I didn't realize Mr. Szymborski gets to decide who's a star and who isn't.

When you have your own "column," you tend to get that right. Should he have conducted an exit poll or something?
   14. DCW3 Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:49 PM (#1753944)
2) arguably the best hitter among all the free agents this year,

Giles has had a higher OPS+ than Konerko every year of his career. Usually much higher.
   15. Repoz Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:51 PM (#1753948)
The whole home/road split thing is overblown, IMO.

Jim Rice likes the way think!
   16. LeeInTX Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:00 AM (#1753972)
>Artie Ziff Posted: November 30, 2005 at 03:29 PM (#1753902)
He takes a smaller salary than Baltimore's offer. I guess playing in one of the weakest divisions is more important than making money and losing to New York every season
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The Average amount of wins by each team the Eastern division of the America League exceeded by less than 2 verses the Central Division which is more accurately described as parody than weaker. Now if you want to talk about the National League West....
   17. no neck Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:34 AM (#1754026)
"Paulie" will be synonym for obese arthritic millionaire before the Chicago Art Institute finishes its current remodel

I notice you have brought up Paulie and arthritic/hip a couple of times now like it is really a factor. It's not even an issue.

Some talk came up a couple of years ago, but his hips are fine.
   18. Urban Faber Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:36 AM (#1754032)
I guarantee that Konerko will not lose any of his speed.
   19. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:39 AM (#1754040)
2) arguably the best hitter among all the free agents this year,

Giles has had a higher OPS+ than Konerko every year of his career. Usually much higher.


I knew I put in "arguably" for a reason. I was afraid I was going to forget someone, and I forgot Giles. Make that

2) arguably one of the top hitters among all free agents this year,
   20. Urban Faber Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:43 AM (#1754046)
One of the best things about this site is that the threads of the last couple years are still accessible. I just went back and read the thread on the Garcia trade. Good times.
   21. Buddha Posted: December 01, 2005 at 01:24 AM (#1754123)
I guess playing in one of the weakest divisions is more important than making money and losing to New York every season.

What division did the World Champs come from last year? At the end of the season, the White Sox and Indians were the two best teams in the American League. I think the Central is just as good as the East, Kansas City notwithstanding....
   22. Darren Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:03 AM (#1754194)
Frank Thomas is cheaper and better. This offseason is looking a lot like KW is believing all the hype that he's getting. 88 wins next year.
   23. OlePerfesser Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:06 AM (#1754200)
You can't withstand Kansas City, you can only hope to control it...

Anyway, it's only Reinsdorf money, but 2 or 3 years from now, they'll be paying a "Thome discount" to get someone to take this guy off their hands.
   24. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:08 AM (#1754203)
Frank Thomas is cheaper and better.

If he's healthy, sure.

He may be done, though - at least that's what the team is thinking.
   25. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:21 AM (#1754214)
Big winners might actually be the Red Sox, who might have an easier time dealing Ramirez now that Konerko won't be headed to the Angels.
   26. dcsmyth1 Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:57 AM (#1754264)
Would you rather have Konerko at 1st and Thome at DH---or Thome at 1st and Thomas at DH (and R Gload as backup). If everyone is healthy, I'll take the latter. Konerko is no Keith Hernandez in the field.

And then you take in the difference in the salaries in these scenarios, and I don't see why anyone supports the Paulie megabuck deal. They had a better alternative right there in their hand, for much less money (which means more freedom to upgrade elsewhere), and they caved in. They now have an expected "albatross" contract for the next few years, name of Paul Konerko.

Bad.
   27. Dr. Nick Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:59 AM (#1754267)
Frank Thomas - great great player but, . . . clearly having injury problems that aren't flukes, but are the result of trying to carry his bulk around for 30+ years. Pretty dang likely to continue happening. Nice OPS+, but it was extremely SLG-heavy in '05 - his OBP was below average last year. Speed? Non-existant. Don't know how much runs it costs the team, but he's as much a station-to-station runner as anyone in MLB.

Add this to that: if you sign Frank, it means they'll be playing Thome at first very often, which considerably increases the risk of injuring Thome and/or hindering his comeback from last year.
   28. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 01, 2005 at 03:12 AM (#1754280)
Frank Thomas is cheaper and better. This offseason is looking a lot like KW is believing all the hype that he's getting. 88 wins next year.

Heh -- I'll take my chances with Mark Buehrle, Jon Garland, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras, and Brandon McCarthy -- along with a much improved offense.
   29. Dr. Phil Posted: December 01, 2005 at 03:14 AM (#1754285)
If I was a GM, this signing would be another piece of evidence that the best players to sign are superstars. Why was everybody so hesitant to go after Vlad, who I'd much rather have a 5/75 than Konerko at 5/60. To be honest, I'd rather have Furcal than Konerko. Paul is a very good player, but in the grand scheme of things, shelling out for the big guns is the best strategy.
   30. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 01, 2005 at 04:11 AM (#1754359)

Heh -- I'll take my chances with Mark Buehrle, Jon Garland, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras, and Brandon McCarthy -- along with a much improved offense.


You don't think the lack of Aaron Rowand in CF will cost you guys runs?

Man that guy is good
   31. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: December 01, 2005 at 04:29 AM (#1754378)
If Pods is in CF, there'll be a definite decrease in performance. Anderson gives all indications that he'll be an above-average defensive outfielder, if not excellent.

Konerko doesn't have a lot of range at first, but I thought he's excellent at picking balls out of the dirt. I think he did his part to make the infield defense one of the best in the league. It can't be easy to catch Uribe's throws.
   32. Shocking Posted: December 01, 2005 at 05:10 AM (#1754458)
If everyone is healthy, I'll take the latter.


Of course you would, but since Thomas isn't healthy, the rest of your point is moot.
   33. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 01, 2005 at 05:16 AM (#1754473)
Great googly moogly.

Well, in two years, that'll be two guys too old to play first and unlikely to hit well enough for DH.

I imagine the Indians will wave hello as the Sox go by on their long crawl to the middle.
   34. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: December 01, 2005 at 05:38 AM (#1754508)
I really thought that Thomas was coming back and Thome was going to play first. I agree that that would have been better than this deal.

Still, Konerko didn't get as much as I thought he would, and I think it's a tradeable deal. So if it keeps the mainstream fans happy...
   35. Dan The Mediocre Posted: December 01, 2005 at 05:49 AM (#1754516)
Paul is a very good player, but in the grand scheme of things, shelling out for the big guns is the best strategy.

It's a good strategy when you know who will remain among the best. Otherwise it's just a money burning pit.
   36. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 01, 2005 at 05:50 AM (#1754519)
2006 ZiPS Projection - Paul Konerko
---------------------------------------------------------
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
---------------------------------------------------------
555 83 152 23 0 35 101 76 96 0 .274 .363 .505


It's so nice to have next October's newspaper available this soon---isn't modern technology grand?

Just out of curiosity, what did good old ZIPSy have to say last November about how Konerko would perform in 2005?
   37. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 01, 2005 at 05:56 AM (#1754522)
Wow, Tejada's contract sure looks good right now.

Just out of curiosity, what did good old ZIPSy have to say last November about how Konerko would perform in 2005?

What did you predict Konerko would hit, Andy?
Why make a comment like that?
   38. Spivey Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:08 AM (#1754532)
It's so nice to have next October's newspaper available this soon---isn't modern technology grand?

Don't be stupid.
   39. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:12 AM (#1754541)
What did you predict Konerko would hit, Andy?
Why make a comment like that?


If you read my post, you'll see that it was because I was curious as to the answer.

Do you know the answer? I'm still curious.

And to answer your first question, if I ever thought of making predictions, I'd either find a bookie or I'd sell my "expertise" to any sucker who'd pay for it. Thousands of people make a sizeable living doing just that. They don't tend to give refunds, either.
   40. Anthony Giacalone Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:14 AM (#1754545)
You're being a dick, Andy, but just so you know, PK's ZiPS projections for 2005 were .276/.352/.497. Personally, I think Konerko will have a .900 OPS this season and that ZiPS thinks his horrible first half of 2003 is indicative of real incompetence instead of rediculous bad luck (19% hit rate).
   41. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:14 AM (#1754547)
Well, in two years, that'll be two guys too old to play first and unlikely to hit well enough for DH.

I'm with you. Screw 2006 and 2007. Let's play for 2008!
   42. Darren Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:15 AM (#1754550)
Just out of curiosity, what did good old ZIPSy have to say last November about how Konerko would perform in 2005?

.276.355.497
   43. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:19 AM (#1754559)
It's so nice to have next October's newspaper available this soon---isn't modern technology grand?

Don't be stupid.


Nice to see that religion isn't dead, especially the brand of religion that gets cited to slay rival religions.

Anyway, we can all agree that reading predictions or projections is fun, whether or not we ever want to check up on what their accuracy rate is.

Oh, and do you have those 2005 ZIPS projections? For all I know, they may well have been right on the money, and it wasn't a rhetorical question.
   44. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:22 AM (#1754561)
Thanks, Darren. And it looks like they were well within the range of what Konerko actually produced. And to all a good night.
   45. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:22 AM (#1754562)
And to answer your first question, if I ever thought of making predictions, I'd either find a bookie or I'd sell my "expertise" to any sucker who'd pay for it. Thousands of people make a sizeable living doing just that. They don't tend to give refunds, either.

Touche.
   46. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:27 AM (#1754567)
You're being a dick, Andy, but just so you know, PK's ZiPS projections for 2005 were .276/.352/.497.

I read Darren's post first, but thanks to you, too, Anthony, and to anyone else who was answering the question while I was composing this. I'll overlook the nice personal touch, since at least it shows that some people really care.
   47. Spivey Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:32 AM (#1754573)
Oh, and do you have those 2005 ZIPS projections? For all I know, they may well have been right on the money, and it wasn't a rhetorical question.

Well, it was certainly phrased in the manner that you think predictions are stupid and have no value whatsoever. I certainly agree (and Dan S. does too) that they have limited value, but they certainly work to some extent.
   48. Spivey Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:34 AM (#1754574)
I'm with you. Screw 2006 and 2007. Let's play for 2008!

You can do both, you know. But I still do think that this won't significantly hamstring them for the future. Konerko isn't that old, and Thome only has 3 years left, right? At like 8 million a year (for the White Sox to pay)? That's not bad. They'll be fine in the future.
   49. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:34 AM (#1754575)
I imagine the Indians will wave hello as the Sox go by on their long crawl to the middle.


I don't want to sound like a snarky ass, and this is a serious question, but are the Indians still planning on using Casey Blake, Ben Broussard, and Aaron Boone for three of their corner positions next season?

Couple more thoughts on the signing (I've not read the Primer thread, so sorry if these are repeats):
1. The Sox have practically no first basemen in their farm system. Sure, there's Casey Rogowski, but he's been very up and down in his career and isn't exactly a sure thing to be a quality major league player.
2. I'd say Konerko is one of the better defensive first basemen in MLB. IMO, he's great a picking throws in the dirt.
3. If nothing else, this is good insurance in case Thome turns into Mo Vaughn circa 2003.

So I like the deal, considering the fact that the Sox weren't going to trade for some younger power hitter.
   50. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:41 AM (#1754580)
You don't think the lack of Aaron Rowand in CF will cost you guys runs?

Man that guy is good


I'm very confident that Brian Anderson will be an above average defender in CF this year. I also believe the combination of Anderson + Thome will make more of a contribution to the team than Everett + Rowand did last season.

My only worry is that they'd do something stupid like trade for Juan Pierre. They have a much younger, cheaper version of that Podsednik/Pierre type player in Jerry Owens -- whose ZiPS, for 2006, BTW, are 288/344/347. I hope he makes the team as the fourth OFer. With the way Ozzie uses his bench guys, he'd get plenty of ABs in CF and LF -- mostly in CF, where he could give Anderson plenty of days off against tough righties.

I don't expect a whole lot from Anderson this year. I'm thinking .240/.315/.400. Of course, I'm expecting a very good defender, almost on Rowand's level, from everything I've read and heard.
   51. Bee Bee Richard, Guante de la Piedra Posted: December 01, 2005 at 07:20 AM (#1754600)
The Average amount of wins by each team the Eastern division of the America League exceeded by less than 2 verses the Central Division which is more accurately described as parody than weaker.
And here, ladies and gentlemen, is why spelling matters.
   52. grich Posted: December 01, 2005 at 07:54 AM (#1754609)
This signing makes at least this Angels fan very, very happy (as, barring a foolish Manny Ramirez trade, it means that <strike>Darin Erstad</strike> Casey Kotchman will get to prove himself an indispensible part of the Angels lineup, which should improve significantly each season over the next few years if Bill "The Mouse" Stoneman merely develops what he has in-house...which most GMs would let their daughters attend Minnesota Vikings after-parties to have).
   53. SuperGrover Posted: December 01, 2005 at 09:24 AM (#1754658)
And here, ladies and gentlemen, is why spelling matters.

Hey, that's spelled correctly. What's the problem?
   54. The Underground Man Posted: December 01, 2005 at 09:33 AM (#1754666)
I can't believe all this talk about Frank Thomas being a better option. Either the people saying this do not follow the White Sox or they are delusional Thomas fans or they are delusional Williams detractors. Frank Thomas will be 38 next year and two seasons away the last time he was healthy for an entire season. Only once in the last five years has Thomas been both healthy and good. How does this make him a viable option? While Thomas would be relatively cheap, if he fails the only options are a trade or turning to the farm system. And while it's great to build for the future this Sox team needs to win now to build a fanbase that believes in the team.

I am one of the biggest Frank Thomas fans you're ever going to find. He has been my favorite player since I was eight years old in 1992. I would be elated if Frank Thomas had a productive year for the White Sox in 2006 but it's a foolish thing to bank on. Plus if you bet on Thomas being healthy and good you can't sign another 1B/DH type to fill in when Thomas gets hurt because all the other decent guys who could take that role will want a guaranteed starting job. I don't particularly like this deal but there weren't a lot of better options.
   55. Elton Posted: December 01, 2005 at 11:12 AM (#1754701)
I'm thinking the same thing as UGM and They. If you could count on Frank Thomas to put up Frank-Thomas-level numbers for most of a year, that would be great, but based on the last couple years it looks quite risky, expecting him to stay healthy. It's not like he's getting hurt playing the field either -- 0 appearances at first in 2005, 4 in 2004. If I were a White Sox fan I'd be EXTREMELY leery of relying on Thome to play first and Thomas to stay healthy at DH. Konerko at first and Thome at DH looks like a far more durable combination. If healthy, Thome and Thomas would be an awesome back-to-back display of patience and power, but the White Sox are coming off of a championship season -- they're not an on-the-bubble team that needs to take a risk on multiple aging sluggers who barely played last year. Resigning Konerko seemed to me like the obvious choice for Chicago (although I agree that he looks overpaid -- probably unavoidable for a slugger coming off of a championship run).
   56. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:11 PM (#1754719)
Personally, I think Konerko will have a .900 OPS this season and that ZiPS thinks his horrible first half of 2003 is indicative of real incompetence instead of rediculous bad luck (19% hit rate).

Anthony, you misspelled "mental block death spiral."
   57. Anthony Giacalone Posted: December 01, 2005 at 03:24 PM (#1754773)
Could be, Chris, could be. He sure looked bad during that first half of 2003 . . . but his hit rate was the lowest that I have ever seen for a half season. Ever.
   58. Up2Drew Posted: December 01, 2005 at 03:38 PM (#1754788)
Look, I know all you gents on this board continue to insist that Cleveland actually won the AL Central last year. It’s really, really inconvenient when actual game results and standings conflict with our philosophies.

At the 100-game mark last year, the Indians were 51-49, thirteen games behind the Sox. They also lost seven of their last eight. One could argue that Cleveland lost every single game in 2005 that really meant anything. For 108 of their 162 games last year, Cleveland was 52-56. I know that's a bit of selective sampling, but it's certainly a larger sample than the 54 games in which they played .759 ball.

I went to weekend series in both Cleveland and Detroit last year, and frankly, I liked both of those position-player rosters better than the 2005 W.Sox. I'm not blind, but I’m not exactly ready to crown the Cleveland Native Americans 2006 division champs yet.
   59. Anthony Giacalone Posted: December 01, 2005 at 03:42 PM (#1754795)
I'm not either, Drew. But I'm scared.
   60. Bee Bee Richard, Guante de la Piedra Posted: December 01, 2005 at 11:53 PM (#1755798)
Hey, that's spelled correctly. What's the problem?
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic.

If not, there's a huge difference between parody and parity.
   61. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:58 AM (#1756027)
There were a few years when the AL Central divisional race could accurately be described as parody, but I don't think that's what the poster meant.
   62. Put it on the Board... Posted: December 02, 2005 at 05:29 PM (#1756610)
"Paul Konerko isn't a star, Paul Konerko's never been a star, and Paul Konerko never will be a star. "

Freaken east coast bias! How big a star would he be if he played for the Red Sox or Yanks?
   63. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 02, 2005 at 06:00 PM (#1756668)
How big a star would he be if he played for the Red Sox or Yanks?

Think Dewey Evans or Moose Skowron.
   64. Anthony Giacalone Posted: December 02, 2005 at 09:51 PM (#1757231)
How big a star would he be if he played for the Red Sox or Yanks?

Think Dewey Evans or Moose Skowron.


Not to quibble, but Moose Skowron was probably a better player than Konerko. But I can live with calling Konerko and Skowrown equals.

Dwight Evans was ten times the player that PK is. Once he learned to hit for average around 1980, Evans was consistently one of the top ten or so players in baseball for almost ten years. Comparing him to Konerko as a hitter is underselling Dewey by a ton. And then there's whole defense thing, where Dewey ranks as one of the best rightfielders ever during his peak.

Konerko is a fine player but clearly not one of the top ten players in his own league. Maybe not one of the top ten players in his own division. Heck, depending on what you think of Ordonez and how much you value defense, he may not be one of the top ten POSITION players in his own division.

I don't mean to misrepresent what you were saying though, JRE. Maybe you were just comparing them through age 29 in their respective careers. So, yes, if PK goes on in his 30s and has another six or seven years like his last two (as DwEvans did in his 30s) then, yeah, I guess they would be pretty damn close.
   65. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 02, 2005 at 09:59 PM (#1757244)
I don't mean to misrepresent what you were saying though, JRE. Maybe you were just comparing them through age 29 in their respective careers.

That's exactly what I was doing - IIRC, Evans was beloved in Boston before he broke out in his later career. My main point was that not every good Boston or New York player ends up in the Hall of Fame.

I meant to mention that - I think a lot of people are assuming that Konerko will fall apart once he hits his mid-thirties, and that's not necessarily a bad assumption (I, myself, think that in 2008 through 2010 Konerko will be terribly overpaid) but every once in a while a power hitter continues to be productive into their mid-thirties, as Evans did.
   66. chris p Posted: December 03, 2005 at 03:51 AM (#1757675)
this makes the white sox favorites to win the world series. brilliant move.
   67. Put it on the Board... Posted: December 03, 2005 at 04:28 AM (#1757716)
Evans and Skowron

Very good comparison. I think we all agree that PK is a fine player and his chances for the Hall are yet to be determined. He is a fine hitter but no Papi or ARod. He's a clutch player. He is a leader. With the addition of a healthy Thome, you may see better than .300/40/100.

The question for White Sox fans now is: who bats third?

Thanks and good weekend

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