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Tuesday, May 03, 2005

Yankees - DFAed Karsay

New York Yankees - Designated P Steve Karsay for assignment; recalled IF Robinson Cano

This is the much-discussed Yankee Shakeup, but I don’t really think this will be really have much of an effect on the team.  The Yankees bench Bernie Williams, who can no longer throw or run, replace his bat with Cano’s in the lineup and shift Womack from being a below-average 2B to a leftfielder that would need to hit .330 to be league-average.  Matsui becomes the new centerfielder where he’ll probably be surprisingly decent.

Now, it’s great that Cano gets a shot, but he’s still very young and despite a terrific start to the year with the Clippers (333/368/574), I’d still be surprised if he did much better than 270/320/380 this season with the Yankees.

Karsay will have a lot of phone calls the day he clears waivers.  He hasn’t been healthy since 2002, but from 1999-2002, he was one of the premier relievers in the game and the upside is high enough that a minimum wage Karsay is worth a gamble.  There are a number of possible destinations, from more likely ports of call like Boston, Cleveland, or San Francisco to lesser possibilities like the Mets or Padres.

Dan Szymborski Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:18 PM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:37 PM (#1306990)
I really don't understand the benefit of tossing Karsay, or of playing Womack in left.
   2. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:40 PM (#1306996)
If Karsay signed with Boston or the Mets, George is going to be pissed
   3. 1k5v3L Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:43 PM (#1306999)
So, Leo Mazzone made Karsay look good, and the Yankees gave him $20+M for nothing.

Then Leo Mazzone made Wright look good, and the Yankkes gave him $20+M for nothing.

I wonder who's next? Mike Hampton? Dan Kolb? Chris Reitsma? Send them all up, Leo.
   4. The Artist Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:44 PM (#1307001)
I really hope Karsay ends up SF - it would be nice to have a reliever who can break 89 on the radar gun.
   5. Most Favored Haitian Status Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:44 PM (#1307002)
So is it pronounced Canoe like the 1050ESPN mouthbreathers would like us to use, or is it just Cane-oh like it looks like?
   6. CONservative governMENt Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:48 PM (#1307006)
I think its ka-know.
   7. Kurt Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:51 PM (#1307011)
According to ESPN, Williams will actually be splitting time at DH with Giambi for now.
   8. CONservative governMENt Posted: May 03, 2005 at 02:58 PM (#1307020)
Then Leo Mazzone made Wright look good, and the Yankkes gave him $20+M for nothing.

Russ Ortiz for $33M. Oh wait, that was the Diamondbacks.
   9. 1k5v3L Posted: May 03, 2005 at 03:07 PM (#1307031)
So true, OB. But what do you expect from the douche bags running the Dbacks? Then again, if the Yankees call for Russ Ortiz, AZ would listen.

Ortiz is such a flea ridden goat skin bag. It serves Joe Jr. and his idiotic yes-men right that they got cleaned in that signing. Effing Joe Jr.
   10. CONservative governMENt Posted: May 03, 2005 at 03:16 PM (#1307052)
I just feel bad for Karsay as he seems like a good guy who just can't stay healthy. The fact that a set-up man has a $1.25M buyout on top of his four-year crazy salary just shows how reckless the Yankees were with this lengthy deals.
   11. salajander Posted: May 03, 2005 at 04:33 PM (#1307300)
Also, Karsay seemed to never regain Torre's "trust", and was relegated to long stretches of not pitching late last season and so far this year.

I imagine that with more use he would have been much more useful for us as a reliever or as trade fodder.
   12. good_ol_gil Posted: May 03, 2005 at 04:54 PM (#1307375)
When I read "DFAed" I first "Death From Above" (probably because of the band DFA 1979). That be messed up if they dropped a bomb on him just because he couldn't stay healthy.
   13. PhillyBooster Posted: May 03, 2005 at 05:07 PM (#1307412)
The Phillies recently suffered a outfielder shortage (Lofton, Burrell, and Byrd all unavailable at the same time) so moved their second baseman (Polanco) to left and their leftfielder (Jason Michaels) to center.

Perhaps the Yankees are regretting chosing not to sign Polanco to the extent that they are just pretending that they did. Robinson Cano will hereafter be playing the role of Chase Utley.
   14. Crafty Lefty Posted: May 03, 2005 at 05:42 PM (#1307509)
Sure, the Rockies will call if Karsay is willing to listen.
   15. PhillyBooster Posted: May 03, 2005 at 06:44 PM (#1307661)
My real question is, if this doesn't work, will the Yankees be willing to wait until August 15th (the next D-Rays series) to try again?
   16. 1k5v3L Posted: May 03, 2005 at 07:00 PM (#1307693)
I think Preston Wilson will find himself in pinstripes very shortly.
   17. Crafty Lefty Posted: May 03, 2005 at 07:13 PM (#1307729)
P-Diddy's about to find himself on the DL, if that groin injury he suffered last night is serious.

If not, forget I said anything, and start sewing up the QUANTRILL 49 Rox jersey...
   18. The Original SJ Posted: May 03, 2005 at 07:26 PM (#1307760)
I go to Europe for 5 days and Womack becomes a LF?

What the ####?!?
   19. SM in DC Posted: May 03, 2005 at 07:31 PM (#1307777)
You've tilted the balance of the universe, SJ.
   20. GP14 Posted: May 03, 2005 at 08:18 PM (#1307904)
Back in 1967 the Yankees moved a 35-year-old sore-legged switch-hitting CF to 1B.

Bernie should be breaking in a firstbase mitt.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: May 03, 2005 at 08:19 PM (#1307912)
Then Leo Mazzone made Wright look good, and the Yankkes gave him $20+M for nothing.

Russ Ortiz for $33M. Oh wait, that was the Diamondbacks.


Ummm...Ortiz for the Braves performed no differently than Ortiz for the Giants. If anything, he was a little better in 2001-2002.

Also, Karsay's short stint in Atlanta was worse than his previous 2.5 seasons in Cleveland. Karsay returning to the Braves wouldn't surprise me.
   22. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 03, 2005 at 08:22 PM (#1307919)
I wouldn't mind if the Red Sox took a flyer on Karsay. He couldn't be worse than Blaine Neal.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: May 03, 2005 at 08:29 PM (#1307935)
By the way, while Russ Ortiz drives me nuts and I think his signing was awful, compared to the other contracts thrown around this offseason, I can't blame the D-Backs that much.

Ortiz has pitched 195+ innings for 6 straight seasons. He's had an ERA+ of 104 or higher for 5 of those 6 seasons. Wright, Pavano, Benson, Odalis Perez, Lowe, even Clement, and lord knows Milton (11 HR in 33 IP currently) don't have track records that good. And it's not like those guys are much younger (except Perez).

Now the baseball side of my brain says Clement, Perez, probably Pavano, maybe Benson before Ortiz. If I had DePo's super-secret evaluation algorithm, maybe it would convince me of Lowe. But mainly the baseball side of my brain says "thank god I wasn't desparate for pitching this offseason".
   24. SM in DC Posted: May 03, 2005 at 08:30 PM (#1307938)
Any chance this DFA gets the Yankees anything in return, or Karsay going to end up signing after the waiver period?
   25. Repoz Posted: May 03, 2005 at 09:04 PM (#1308022)
Cashman on the Michael Kay show...

1-Regrets misreading the market on Leiber

2-He's not sold on Womack being the LF

3-Karsay's name was the first one on everyboy's mind...when it came to dropping someone.

4-The Bernie Williams move was tough to do...but his game dictated it.
   26. SM in DC Posted: May 03, 2005 at 09:19 PM (#1308054)
Repoz's post shows why it would be a great thing for Big Stein to get distracted by the Triple Crowd and for the Tampa Mafia to drown in the Gulf of Mexico.

1 - re: Lieber - he at least has recognized a mistake's been made, even though nothing can be done about it now.
2 - re: Womack - again with the mistake recognition, also it's a good sign that someone else will be in LF by midseason.
3 - re: Hearsay - of course he was, for the past 18 mos. Steve's been like Bigfoot, occassionally sighted but never documented. Easily the worst of what's been a lousy bunch.
4 - re: Bernie - it's sad to watch your favorites struggle, and one problem with the recent editions of the Yankees has been excess sentimentality to those that have been here a while, said another way - they've been dancing with the one that brung'em, even though some hotter younger debutaunts. It's time to look for new partners on the dance card.
   27. Loren F. Posted: May 03, 2005 at 09:25 PM (#1308064)
Re: "dancing with the one that brung'em." Nice Dan Rather impersonation.
   28. 1k5v3L Posted: May 03, 2005 at 09:31 PM (#1308072)
# 24: No. Yes.

# 25: 1) everyone misread the market on pitchers

2) Higginson in LF; or Preston Wilson in CF.

3) Nothing like being the $20m bum

4) Too late, too late for love
   29. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: May 03, 2005 at 10:15 PM (#1308178)
How many-and-5/6ths years does Karsay have left on his contract?
   30. salajander Posted: May 03, 2005 at 10:18 PM (#1308194)
Karsay has a 2006 $6.5M club option with a $1.25M buyout.
   31. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: May 03, 2005 at 10:22 PM (#1308199)
Thanks; I didn't realize that this was his last guaranteed year.
   32. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 03, 2005 at 10:23 PM (#1308203)
Karsay might be the worst reliever deal signed, other then maybe the D-backs signing/trading for Mantei. And even then, he pitched more. I give it to Karsay, nicely done Yanks.
   33. EvilBoWeevil Posted: May 03, 2005 at 11:32 PM (#1308423)
I really don't understand the benefit of tossing Karsay, or of playing Womack in left.

Well for one thing the Yankees don't get stuck carrying 12 Pitchers anymore. Well at least until Strutze comes back. It is really ridiculous that they couldn't figure this out duringin spring training.

Womack in LF sure beets Bernie in CF. I hate to say it as Bernie is one of my favorite players but he is done as a defensive OF. I don't know if his bat is strong enough to do a Mantle 67 at 1st.
   34. SM in DC Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:41 PM (#1310146)
San Diego just DFA'ed Adam Hyzdu - why not claim him or try to work a Karsay for Hyzdu swap?
   35. Christi Chung Posted: May 05, 2005 at 02:43 PM (#1313375)
Think it this way: at least now Yankees got the first priority in claiming waivers....

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