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Wednesday, November 16, 2005

Yankees - Signed Matsui

New York Yankees - Signed OF Hideki Matsui to a 4-year contract worth $52 milion.

4 years, $52 million is a lot of money for a B+ corner outfielder, but the Yankees can eat a lot of mistakes.  They’re not going to get $13 million a year worth of production out of Godzilla, but he’s not too old, not as much a defensive mess as most other Yankees, and is quite durable, so will hopefully retain a lot of his value. 

2006 ZiPS Projection - Hideki Matsui
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AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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608 98 179 41 2 22 103 75 87   2 .294 .375 .477

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: November 16, 2005 at 05:54 AM | 75 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:10 AM (#1733625)
Speaking of just of 2006, I'd certainly take that line out of ____-Zilla
   2. villainx Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:53 AM (#1733642)
Signed-zilla?
   3. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:09 AM (#1733646)
Yen-zilla.
   4. Robert S. Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:58 AM (#1733656)
Hideki Matsui = Luis Gonzalez
   5. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: November 16, 2005 at 08:46 AM (#1733675)
Who would you rather have at 4/$52M, Matsui or Konerko?

I think it's Matsui, easy, but maybe I'm holding Konerko's 2003 against him too much. He is two years younger, too ... I don't think either one will be "worth" the contract in terms of the wins they put on the standings, but the Yankees have a different calculus for such matters.
   6. DCW3 Posted: November 16, 2005 at 09:19 AM (#1733686)
I think it's Matsui, easy, but maybe I'm holding Konerko's 2003 against him too much. He is two years younger, too ...

Even this year, which was easily the best season of Konerko's career, he was only slightly more valuable than Matsui overall. And Matsui was much better in both '03 and '04.
   7. shock Posted: November 16, 2005 at 09:31 AM (#1733688)
That line is pretty damn close to what Matsui did last year.

Poor Josh Towers gets no love from the Oracle.
   8. Rich Posted: November 16, 2005 at 11:35 AM (#1733699)
I would rather have signed Giles, but I'm hoping that they still will.
   9. Swedish Chef Posted: November 16, 2005 at 11:56 AM (#1733700)
I think this deal will look quite cheap in April.

And, what does this mean for Johnny Damon?
   10. Artie Ziff Posted: November 16, 2005 at 01:56 PM (#1733714)
All of the handful of ZiPs(??) projections are pretty much carbon copies of the previous year. The money does seem high, but like everyone stating the obvious, it is New York. They can pay what they want. I think they will get 100 R.B.I. out of him every year of the deal.
   11. Bmore Boy (Thailand edition) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 02:03 PM (#1733716)
It's also a Japanese player. It used to be you could only see Mariners games over here - now it's Yanks games followed by the M's. I don't know how much the Yanks are paid for those national Japanese tv rights, but combine that with the ad revenues from Japanese companies which pay silly money for this sort of thing, and I wouldn't be shocked if Matsui pays for himself. A near monopoly of a baseball-crazy country of 120 million people (and it seems everyone wears a Yanks cap, God it's so depressing) is worth quite a bit.
   12. johnny_mostil Posted: November 16, 2005 at 02:27 PM (#1733731)
4 years, $52 million is a lot of money for a B+ corner outfielder, but the Yankees can eat a lot of mistakes.

Yes, they can, but mid-market teams can't, and this contract will be used to set a benchmark for everybody else. Once again, George Steinbrenner fouls up the salary structure for all of baseball. And Yankee fans wonder why other teams hate them. It's not the winning, it's the stupidity.
   13. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: November 16, 2005 at 02:56 PM (#1733743)
Yes, they can, but mid-market teams can't, and this contract will be used to set a benchmark for everybody else. Once again, George Steinbrenner fouls up the salary structure for all of baseball. And Yankee fans wonder why other teams hate them. It's not the winning, it's the stupidity.

I guess that's why the White Sox have already offered Konerko so much money, right? And why the Mets have offered Billy Wagner $12 million a year, or 2 million more per year than the best closer in the game. It must be why the D-Backs gave Russ Ortiz and Troy Glaus so much money last year too, right?

And while this deal sucks from a baseball standpoint, Matsui more than makes up for it with all the revenue he brings in from Japan, like Bmore Boy said. I just hope this doesn't prevent them from signing Giles and/or Ryan, although I'd be plenty happy if they could get Wilkerson or Bradley for CF and perhaps sign Jones for RF.
   14. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 03:31 PM (#1733758)
Once again, George Steinbrenner fouls up the salary structure for all of baseball. And Yankee fans wonder why other teams hate them.

Just like last year when he gave Kris Benson that insane 21/3 deal that set the market for pitchers...oh, wait
   15. BWC Posted: November 16, 2005 at 03:49 PM (#1733776)
I agree with #11-- this isn't strictly a baseball production issue. $13M is way too much to pay John Smith, somewhat-above-average-corner-OF, but Matsui is worth a HUGE amount in international marketing. Any evaluation of the terms of the deal without taking that into account is woefully incomplete.
   16. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: November 16, 2005 at 03:54 PM (#1733782)
I also agree with Bmore Boy. If Matsui is keeping Japan from becoming Mariner country then this deal is worth it from a financial standpoint. Now if Matsui sucks in the last two years of the deal, it's not worth it from a baseball standpoint, but the Yankees do have the resources to cushion that blow.
   17. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 03:56 PM (#1733786)
Blasted thing, unstick!
   18. Joel W Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:11 PM (#1733796)
As a Red Sox fan, if anything the Yankees do the opposite for baseball than Johnny suggests.

First, they show that signing ridiculous free agent contracts doesn't guarantee WS appearances. Giambi of 2003 and 2004 (and maybe in the future) showed the albatross that can become of even what seems like a great free agent signing. Jaret Wright, etc. etc. The yankees are high profile, so when their FA signings go bad, everybody knows.
   19. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:26 PM (#1733820)
And, what does this mean for Johnny Damon?

Newsday has reported that Boras is asking 7 years, $84 million for Damon.

Pass.
   20. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:49 PM (#1733851)
Newsday has reported that Boras is asking 7 years, $84 million for Damon.

That's a joke, right? I don't mean from Boras, I mean from Boras. 7 years, 84 million? For a guy who'll be thirty-eight at the end of the contract? If anyone takes that deal, 2012 Johnny Damon is going to make 2005 Bernie Williams look like a freakin' bargin
   21. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:51 PM (#1733856)
Argh, dammit

That's a joke, right? I don't mean from Boras, I mean from <strike>Boras</strike> Smiling Joe.
   22. 1k5v3L Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:53 PM (#1733861)
Hideki Matsui = Luis Gonzalez

Except that Gonzo is cheaper. And I doubt Matsui ever hits 57 homers.

7 years, $84m for Jesus? That's a bargain; he can walk on water...
   23. Danny Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:54 PM (#1733865)
I agree with #11-- this isn't strictly a baseball production issue. $13M is way too much to pay John Smith, somewhat-above-average-corner-OF, but Matsui is worth a HUGE amount in international marketing. Any evaluation of the terms of the deal without taking that into account is woefully incomplete.


As was said in the other Matsui thread, isn't most of that money shared equally among all teams? They get the money from the stadium ads, but wouldn't they sell those anyways?
   24. 1k5v3L Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:55 PM (#1733867)
I think 2008 Damon will make 2005 Bernie look like DiMaggio...
   25. John Mazzeo Posted: November 16, 2005 at 04:56 PM (#1733872)
Lee Sinins has reported that 7/84 story as well. Made me laugh.
   26. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: November 16, 2005 at 05:09 PM (#1733893)
As was said in the other Matsui thread, isn't most of that money shared equally among all teams? They get the money from the stadium ads, but wouldn't they sell those anyways?

Maybe, but rebranding the Yankees as the world's premier baseball franchise, rather than North America's premier franchise is worth a lot in the long run. Basically it would mean they would be first choice for capital, talent and new customers worldwide.

George has consistently shown that this is how he sees the Yankees and he's done darn well by his limited partners with that vision over the past 30 years, excluding the Stump Merrill era of course.
   27. Flynn Posted: November 16, 2005 at 05:33 PM (#1733925)

As was said in the other Matsui thread, isn't most of that money shared equally among all teams? They get the money from the stadium ads, but wouldn't they sell those anyways


I think not, actually.
   28. BWC Posted: November 16, 2005 at 05:34 PM (#1733927)
It also helps position the Yankees as a premier place for top notch Japanese free agents to come.

There are always a few guys who are worth more to their team than what they provide in on-field production--guys like Ichiro and Matsui, Ripken, Fernando in the early 80's, etc. And since I doubt Matsui's going to be bad enough by the end of the contract to be dragging the Yankees away from a playoff spot, I wouldn't criticize the terms of the deal.
   29. catomi01 Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:05 PM (#1733985)
For those saying that the Yankees are 'screwing with baseballs salary structure...' isn't that exactly what they should be doing in this case, as a sound business entity? If you can make life harder for your opponents and competitors by forcing them to pay more for comparable products, shouldn't you be doing that? If this means that the Red Sox can't sign Brian Giles or Damon because the Matsui deal pushes them out of the market range the Sox are willing to spend, isn't that just a form of strategic warfare in baseball? And for the teams that do wind up with those guys, what did they have to forgo to get them? And this isn't the first evidence of this tactic either...look at the Mets with Benson last year...teams like the Yankees, Mets and Red Sox can afford to make mistakes like this with money, knowing full well they are overpaying some of their players, simply because they know that their competition, for the most part can not, or will not.
   30. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:14 PM (#1733996)
Scott Boras is the most ostentatiously greedy person I've ever heard of, outside of a few megalomaniac dictators.
   31. Dizzypaco Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:41 PM (#1734057)
I think people are underestimating Matsui by quite a bit. How many AL outfielders would you bet on to be better than Matsui over the next few years? Vlad, certainly. Maybe Manny. Possibly Ichiro. Maybe you can think of a couple of others.

There's no way I'd describe Matsui as a little above average. And I'm a Red Sox fan.
   32. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:43 PM (#1734060)
I think 2008 Damon will make 2005 Bernie look like DiMaggio...

PECOTA had Damon pegged for a .293/.367/.448 (32.7 VORP) in 2005.

Damon actually hit .316/.366/.439 (49.2 VORP).

PECOTA has Damon projected (pre-2005) at 16.8 for 2008. Bernie put up 7.3 VORP this year.

Just sayin'.

Boras is still out of his mind, though.
   33. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:51 PM (#1734081)
I don't think even Boras can get that kind of money -- or those years (!) -- for Johnny Damon. Those who would be stupid enough don't have the money. I mean, Kevin Malone's long gone, and I think he's about the only person who ever had the duncecap and the strings to the right purse at the same time to pay for this contract. The Mets are already looking like crapping bastards after signing another Boras client to a 7-year deal, and Beltran is younger and better than Damon.
   34. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 06:56 PM (#1734097)
How many AL outfielders would you bet on to be better than Matsui over the next few years?

The pool is shallow in the AL, sure, but if you expand it to the whole MLB, you can add about a dozen NLers (Abreu, Berkman, Bay, Beltran, Dunn, and Jones all come to mind of the top of my head), so it seems like you're artificially limiting the competition.
   35. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:03 PM (#1734111)
What's with all the talks of Japanese money? They have no bearing on this signing whatsoever. To net a single million dollars worth of international revenue from signing Matsui, the Yankees would have to generate $30 million. Like non-stadium merchandising, internet revenue and international revenue are shared equally among the 30 teams.
   36. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:07 PM (#1734121)
Basically it would mean they would be first choice for capital, talent and new customers worldwide.

But most of those new customers would be paying in sources that are shared equally. There's the talent issue, but the Yankees are already considered to be the premier franchise internationally.
   37. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:08 PM (#1734123)
If this means that the Red Sox can't sign Brian Giles or Damon because the Matsui deal pushes them out of the market range the Sox are willing to spend, isn't that just a form of strategic warfare in baseball?

I think most Sox fans would thank the yankees for preventing their team from overpaying for aging outfielders with defensive issues. The bigger threat would be Matsui's contract jacking up the price and the Sox still paying it.
   38. Mister High Standards Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:10 PM (#1734131)
Damon will end up at 5@65.
   39. 1k5v3L Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:16 PM (#1734141)
5@65 from the bosox, right?
   40. GeoffB Posted: November 16, 2005 at 07:58 PM (#1734247)
What's with all the talks of Japanese money? They have no bearing on this signing whatsoever.

Dan:

What about American money from Japanese-Americans? I can't imagine that Hideki hasn't had an impact on attendance that changes the calculus of his value to the Yankees over the course of a season. Yeah, the Yankees are not going to get $13 million a year worth of baseball production out of Godzilla, but how about $10 million?
   41. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 08:16 PM (#1734281)
Damon will end up at 5@65.

See, that's my feeling to a certain degree, but then, I never thought Derek Lowe was going to get within seeing distance of 36/4, and yet Boras got it for him. I don't think 84/7 will happen, but I'm not quite ready to rule it out
   42. alio intuito Posted: November 16, 2005 at 08:37 PM (#1734328)
Boras is still out of his mind, though.

Boras' job as Damon's agent is to get his client as much money as he possibly can. If the process includes throwing out some (possibly) ridiculous dollar figure in the hopes that some team might use that as a beginning point for negotiations, then he is just doing what he is supposed to do. I doubt that Damon will end up with a contract that long or for that much money either but if Boras can find some team that sign one, more power to him. All players are worth whatever they can get a team to pay them; it is not the place for either the players or the player's representatives to keep the owners from spending more than say they can afford.
   43. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 16, 2005 at 08:55 PM (#1734365)
What about American money from Japanese-Americans? I can't imagine that Hideki hasn't had an impact on attendance that changes the calculus of his value to the Yankees over the course of a season.

You'd really have to have a high estimate of the number of Japanese-Americans that would go to a Yankee game because of Matsui for this to be much of a factor. You'll get a few obviously, but I see little of the nationalistic frenzy of, say, Fernandomania. And even if we did, the blip would be in 2003, not when he's old news.
   44. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 08:56 PM (#1734369)
It occurs to me that Boras also has a history of making outrageous claims as to what his clients are seeking in the market, and then settling for something slightly less outrageous (but still somewhat ridiculous).
   45. DCW3 Posted: November 16, 2005 at 09:02 PM (#1734381)
7 years, $84m for Jesus? That's a bargain; he can walk on water...

I don't know...Jesus's career was effectively over by age 33.
   46. Daryn Posted: November 16, 2005 at 09:05 PM (#1734388)
What's with all the talks of Japanese money? They have no bearing on this signing whatsoever. To net a single million dollars worth of international revenue from signing Matsui, the Yankees would have to generate $30 million. Like non-stadium merchandising, internet revenue and international revenue are shared equally among the 30 teams.

That is wrong, too. They get that money whichever team he signs with.
   47. 1k5v3L Posted: November 16, 2005 at 09:08 PM (#1734396)
DCW3, what the Sox should do is sign Jesus to any contract, at any amount--with one catch: he gets $1 (yes, a buck) per year until AFTER he turns 33. I'd like to see Boras collect money for a dead client.
   48. Adam S Posted: November 16, 2005 at 09:10 PM (#1734399)
What's with all the talks of Japanese money? They have no bearing on this signing whatsoever. To net a single million dollars worth of international revenue from signing Matsui, the Yankees would have to generate $30 million. Like non-stadium merchandising, internet revenue and international revenue are shared equally among the 30 teams.

Dan,

Is that true of team-branded merchandise as well? Are sales of Yankees caps, replica shirts etc abroad split equally between the teams, as well as the internet and broadcast revenues?

(If it is, I'm having fun thinking about how Machester United would react to a similar proposal in the EPL!).
   49. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: November 16, 2005 at 09:56 PM (#1734502)
I don't know...Jesus's career was effectively over by age 33.

RDF.
   50. villainx Posted: November 16, 2005 at 10:25 PM (#1734561)
I don't know...Jesus's career was effectively over by age 33.


Jesus merchandise still does well at the concession stands. It'll be worth it.
   51. bhoov Posted: November 16, 2005 at 10:39 PM (#1734593)
This signing seems fiscally conservative in a market where a gimpy 31 y.o. Magglio Ordonez got 5 yrs. and $75 million from a mid-market team (albeit a desperate mid-market team). By the way that signing has to be the greatest testament to Scott Boras' negotiating genuis (or to his incredible hypnotic abilities).

Any Boras signings beat that one (at least A-Rod was the best player in baseball, very durable, played shortstop and was still young at the time of his signing)?
   52. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 16, 2005 at 10:47 PM (#1734622)
That is wrong, too. They get that money whichever team he signs with.

I don't quite understand what you're saying here. Asian revenue is shared equally by teams unless they quietly changed that in the last two years. All international dough is controlled by MLB.

Is that true of team-branded merchandise as well? Are sales of Yankees caps, replica shirts etc abroad split equally between the teams, as well as the internet and broadcast revenues?


With the exception of in-stadium sales, yes. A kid going into a store in Manhattan and buying a Yankee fan nets the Kansas City Royals as much as the Yankees.
   53. 1k5v3L Posted: November 16, 2005 at 10:49 PM (#1734623)
Dan, here's a trade for you to discuss:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets111705,0,3501142.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
   54. Sparkles Peterson Posted: November 16, 2005 at 11:06 PM (#1734659)
I would rather have signed Giles, but I'm hoping that they still will.


How do Yankees fans sleep at night?
   55. Boots Day Posted: November 16, 2005 at 11:09 PM (#1734665)
You'd really have to have a high estimate of the number of Japanese-Americans that would go to a Yankee game because of Matsui for this to be much of a factor.

I have to agree with Dan on this. I don't think nearly the number of Japanese turn out in New York than went to see Hideo Nomo in Los Angeles or Ichiro in Seattle. And the phenomenon of Japanese players coming to the U.S. and turning into stars is a decade old, now. It's a little late to start trying to turn your franchise into the one with a leg up on the next Shingo Takatsu.

Matsui may well be worth $13 million for his baseball-playing abilities, but I think the Yankees are making a mistake if they think he deserves some sort of bonus for his marketability.

Manny Ramirez playing in Yankee Stadium would have far more ethnic appeal and bring in far, far more fans than Matsui will.
   56. robinred Posted: November 17, 2005 at 12:49 AM (#1734919)
"Matsui may well be worth $13 million for his baseball-playing abilities, but I think the Yankees are making a mistake if they think he deserves some sort of bonus for his marketability."

I have seen a few comments to the effect that Matsui's
enormous popularity in Japan creates extra revenue for the Yankees there, so the marketing angle is not mainly that of getting Japanese to go to games in the Bronx. However, given the number of Japanese tourists in NYC in a given summer, it would seem possible that if Matsui's presence got some of them to the yard, it would make him worth a little more money.

I ran a training program for Koreans last summer in SD and all 44 of them paid top dollar to see Park pitch from the best seats left in the house after the trade. Only 6 of the 44 said they would have seen a game w/o Park.
   57. rjsc Posted: November 17, 2005 at 12:53 AM (#1734927)
This signing seems fiscally conservative in a market where a gimpy 31 y.o. Magglio Ordonez got 5 yrs. and $75 million from a mid-market team (albeit a desperate mid-market team). By the way that signing has to be the greatest testament to Scott Boras' negotiating genuis (or to his incredible hypnotic abilities).

Is Russ Ortiz a Boras client? There wasn't reason to expect that guy to be good, even if he was healthy.
   58. Swedish Chef Posted: November 17, 2005 at 01:11 AM (#1734953)
What a weird system, having no incentives at all for teams to market themselves. I guess it's no wonder there are lazy, unimaginative teams that only care about their welfare payments.

Anyway, being the leading brand of american baseball in Japan has to be worth something, even if they don't get much immediate revenue out of it.
   59. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 17, 2005 at 02:28 AM (#1735035)
Matsui originally signed with the Yankees precisely because they are the Yankees.

I think this signing is smart for future possibilities like Matsui.
   60. Boots Day Posted: November 17, 2005 at 02:52 AM (#1735053)
Why would this give the Yankees any sort of advantage in drawing Japanese fans over the Dodgers or the Mariners? Hideo Nomo was the first star imported from Japan, and Ichiro has been a much bigger star than Matsui.
   61. frowndog Posted: November 17, 2005 at 03:42 AM (#1735099)
Why would this give the Yankees any sort of advantage in drawing Japanese fans over the Dodgers or the Mariners? Hideo Nomo was the first star imported from Japan, and Ichiro has been a much bigger star than Matsui.


Because Matsui is more popular in Japan? (There's a discussion on who's more popular in Japan in the other Matsui thread but the point stands.)
   62. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 17, 2005 at 05:31 AM (#1735173)
If anything, the Yankees have to pay penance to the Japanese for turning Hideki Irabu into a fat [full of pus] toad. After this contract, they'll be even.
   63. Dr. Vaux Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:30 AM (#1735242)
I'm beginning to think this is the year. No one signs Damon. Every team is reportedly "shying away from him;" they just don't want to play such a ludicrous game.
   64. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: November 17, 2005 at 11:13 AM (#1735253)
I'm beginning to think this is the year. No one signs Damon. Every team is reportedly "shying away from him;" they just don't want to play such a ludicrous game.


Hope so. What he is asking for is a joke.
   65. Russ Posted: November 17, 2005 at 01:41 PM (#1735287)
I don't know...Jesus's career was effectively over by age 33.

Depends on how much credit you give him for switching over to Holy Ghost later on... no contribution as a fielder, although still showed the same kind of power he did in his prime (although he walked a lot less).
   66. philoye Posted: November 17, 2005 at 08:47 PM (#1735886)
I love the way you guys argue against the money/marketability angle to this signing. The Yankees make plenty of dumb baseball moves, but business ones? Are you kidding me?* The man has his photo on a plane. Matsui clearly drives attendance to some degree (judging my the number of Japanese tourists I see at the games), sells some overpriced merchandise at the stadium, and increases mindshare. Clearly there is some marginal value there.

George and crew have been very aggressive in investing in the team. It certainly shows in their payroll, the team's valuation, and I'm sure in the managing partner's take home pay. And what's wrong with that?

* Not that I think this is a dumb baseball one.
   67. bibyil Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:17 PM (#1735970)
Any Boras signings beat that one (at least A-Rod was the best player in baseball, very durable, played shortstop and was still young at the time of his signing)?

What about Chan Ho Park?
   68. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:28 PM (#1735997)
I don't know...Jesus's career was effectively over by age 33.


But his comeback was out of this world!

Best Regards

John
   69. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:30 PM (#1736003)
The man has his photo on a plane.


Finally, something a pigeon can improve the appearance of.

Best Regards

John
   70. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:43 PM (#1736025)
For those saying that the Yankees are 'screwing with baseballs salary structure...' isn't that exactly what they should be doing in this case, as a sound business entity? If you can make life harder for your opponents and competitors by forcing them to pay more for comparable products, shouldn't you be doing that?

Right, but if that's the case, I don't want to hear any whining from anyone when the prices of tickets, parking, hot dogs, etcetera go up, as they always do. Baseball isn't a charitable trust, despite what many seem to think.
   71. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 04:14 PM (#1736995)
Scott Boras is the most ostentatiously greedy person I've ever heard of, outside of a few megalomaniac dictators.

Define "greedy".

DCW3, what the Sox should do is sign Jesus to any contract, at any amount--with one catch: he gets $1 (yes, a buck) per year until AFTER he turns 33. I'd like to see Boras collect money for a dead client.

A dead client who is God? As Larry Sanders' agent would say, "I'm wetting myself."

Depends on how much credit you give him for switching over to Holy Ghost later on.

Back to Sunday school for you! He's still the Son.
   72. nycfan Posted: November 18, 2005 at 04:27 PM (#1737008)
While i am not the biggest fan of Boras, it seems to me that he is just doing his job. His job is to do what his clients want, and if his client says "get me the most money over the most years that you can", then what's so wrong with him doing that?
   73. b Posted: November 19, 2005 at 04:02 AM (#1738163)
Szym:

I know there was an article during Matsui's first year about the revenue generated by selling Yankee Stadium signage to Japanese companies. You have to remember that, before Matsui, the Yankees were not often seen on Japanese TV. Now, every game is broadcast. I wish I could find the article, because I remember being shocked about how much money these signs were bringing in...I mean really shocked...and this is direct revenue that they don't have to share with anyone.
   74. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 19, 2005 at 04:22 AM (#1738184)
B, let me know if you find it - I'd be interested in seeing the numbers!
   75. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 19, 2005 at 04:48 AM (#1738205)
While i am not the biggest fan of Boras, it seems to me that he is just doing his job. His job is to do what his clients want, and if his client says "get me the most money over the most years that you can", then what's so wrong with him doing that?

What we don't know is the extent to which it is the clients who are really setting those priorities, or whether Boras is persuading them to set those priorities because it's in his best interests.

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