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Wednesday, November 30, 2005

Yanks - Reportedly Signed Farnsworth

New York Yankees - Have reportedly come closer or perhaps signed P Kyle Farnsworth to a 3-year, $17 million contract.

If this doesn’t happen, I’m totally going to close the thread and deny it ever happened.

It’ll be interesting to see how Farnsworth does in New York.  Yankee fans are going to either fall in love with Farnsworth or rebel and send him out of town a few feet ahead of a noose sometime in July.  I’m going to go with the latter as people find relievers that have runs of horrific control to be quite maddening.

While Leo Mazzone did get a lot of out of Farnsworth for the Braves, the latter was quite good with the Tigers, so perhaps he’s turned the corner instead of being a Jaret Wright pumpkin carriage.  I’m kind of surprised that nobody offered Farnsworth a similar contract with the promise to close.  The Yankees aren’t the ideal team for Farnsworth - he’d fare better on a team with a good outfield defense, like the White Sox or the Blue Jays.

2006 ZiPS Projection - Kyle Farnsworth
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W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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3   2 73   0   70   56   29   7 29 82 3.69

 

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: November 30, 2005 at 05:19 PM | 80 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:14 PM (#1753103)
That's just...wow.
   2. 1k5v3L Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:16 PM (#1753110)
Rosenthal confirms.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5122276
   3. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:19 PM (#1753120)
That's kind of a lot of money, but it's not a big deal for the Yanks.

I don't think it's necessarily a terrible signing, although you're right, Dan, when you point out that Yankee fans aren't going to have a lot of patience with him.
   4. Sir Loin- My dad owns a dealership Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:21 PM (#1753127)
Excellent news! That sets up the biggest pay-per-view in MLB history: "Farnsworth v Affeldt 2- Rumble In The Bronx"

I hope it sells well, since they'll need to use the money to make up for how badly they overspent. Yeesh.
   5. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:22 PM (#1753132)
Well, I predict lots of bad things here.

While Leo Mazzone did get a lot of out of Farnsworth for the Braves, the latter was quite good with the Tigers, so perhaps he's turned the corner instead of being a Jaret Wright pumpkin carriage.

You mean the same corner he turned before 2003? And then went back around in 2004? Color me skeptical.
   6. Dr. Vaux Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:24 PM (#1753138)
This is gonna be Juan Acevedo all over again, only much more expensive...
   7. 1k5v3L Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:27 PM (#1753153)
Wasn't that Jose Acevedo? And does it matter?

Farnsworth is a d-khead. Another reason to dislike the Yankees.
   8. Vida Blew Over the Legal Limit Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:28 PM (#1753155)
At least Farnsworthless can fight...see Wilson, Paul.
   9. The District Attorney Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:30 PM (#1753161)
I assume this sets the unofficial record for "largest contract to a reliever not projected to be the closer?"
   10. Famous Original Joe C Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:31 PM (#1753162)
Well, this is a "wait-and-see" signing. I mean, if the Yankees get 2 v.2003/5 years and one v.2004 from the next 3 (not unreasonable given his age and gaudy K rate), then it's not a terrible deal.

Besides, it's alot for a reliever, but not in Yankeeland. A reasonable risk.
   11. catomi01 Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:32 PM (#1753168)
i dont mind this move if it means that sturtze goes to a long relief, mopup role, and farnsworth takes sturtze's role from last year...but if farnsworth is supposed to be the new gordon, then its not a very good signing in my view.
   12. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:33 PM (#1753175)
I assume this sets the unofficial record for "largest contract to a reliever not projected to be the closer?"

Perhaps barely topping the record contracts handed out by the Cubs.
   13. 1k5v3L Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:34 PM (#1753177)
#9: that was Karsay.
   14. nycfan Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:35 PM (#1753184)
It is a lot of money, but the Yankees needed some reliever who can post a sub-4.00 ERA. I would have preferred they sign Howry to a more reasonable contract, but Farnsworth was the best reliever left and they needed somebody.
   15. chris p Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:37 PM (#1753185)
http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/farnsworth/11.htm
   16. JC in DC Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:37 PM (#1753187)
So, let's see, Beane commits about 12% of his budget to Loaiza (guessing 60 mil) and is praised, and the Yanks commit about 3% of theirs (guessing a 180 mil budget; it would be smaller, obviously, if they spend 200 mil again) to a primary set up guy and get hammered?
   17. 1k5v3L Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:38 PM (#1753191)
JC, I don't hammer this signing; works for NY, and if the guys stays healthy and matches his zips for the next three years, he'll be a good signing. At least he guarantees you won't have more proctology at games.
   18. JC in DC Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:38 PM (#1753193)
Oh, and btw, I hate Farnsworth. I hate guys who wear those tight necklaces. I wonder if they had to scratch "steroids" out of the contract?
   19. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:43 PM (#1753204)
Really funny, Cashman was on Mike and the Dog yesterday, and Farnsworth came up.

Russo started by saying "Don't do it, I don't like this guy". Cashman tip-toed around and hinted that they had interest in bringing him in, and Russo responded with "But did you see Game 4 last year!". Since Cashman probably knew this was coming, that must have been pretty akward for him.
   20. Dr. Vaux Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:44 PM (#1753206)
At least I get to give guys like that 'C's on their term papers. Of course, they deserve 'em...
   21. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:45 PM (#1753208)
Well, this is a "wait-and-see" signing. I mean, if the Yankees get 2 v.2003/5 years and one v.2004 from the next 3 (not unreasonable given his age and gaudy K rate), then it's not a terrible deal.

If he has a 2004 year, he won't be on the Yankees to have the rebound year.

So, let's see, Beane commits about 12% of his budget to Loaiza (guessing 60 mil) and is praised, and the Yanks commit about 3% of theirs (guessing a 180 mil budget; it would be smaller, obviously, if they spend 200 mil again) to a primary set up guy and get hammered?

You talking about Szym's intro or the posters? I wonder how much of an overlap there is.

Oh, and btw, I hate Farnsworth. I hate guys who wear those tight necklaces. I wonder if they had to scratch "steroids" out of the contract?
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Just wait until those tight pinstriped pants. He's also quite the drinker.
   22. Crazy Old Man Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:45 PM (#1753209)
Anybody else think that Howry signing is looking pretty good right now?
   23. JC in DC Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:46 PM (#1753215)
At least I get to give guys like that 'C's on their term papers.


They'd jump for joy if I gave them Cs.
   24. JC in DC Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:47 PM (#1753216)
Anybody else think that Howry signing is looking pretty good right now?


yes.
   25. RP Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:48 PM (#1753219)
So, let's see, Beane commits about 12% of his budget to Loaiza (guessing 60 mil) and is praised, and the Yanks commit about 3% of theirs (guessing a 180 mil budget; it would be smaller, obviously, if they spend 200 mil again) to a primary set up guy and get hammered?

Wow.
   26. The Original SJ Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:48 PM (#1753220)
what a ###### up offseason
   27. chris p Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:52 PM (#1753232)
So, let's see, Beane commits about 12% of his budget to Loaiza (guessing 60 mil) and is praised,

have you actually read the loaiza threads?
   28. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:55 PM (#1753242)
pr0FF3ss0r_F4rnsw0rth rulz.
   29. Not Marv Cook Posted: November 30, 2005 at 06:57 PM (#1753250)
oh man, this is gonna be fun three years...

he just needs to go Paul Wilson on somebody early so that everyone loves him.
   30. DCA Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:04 PM (#1753271)
So, let's see, Beane commits about 12% of his budget to Loaiza (guessing 60 mil) and is praised, and the Yanks commit about 3% of theirs (guessing a 180 mil budget; it would be smaller, obviously, if they spend 200 mil again) to a primary set up guy and get hammered?

If you were paying attention, it's mostly the "Beane worshipping groupthinkers" that have been bashing the Loaiza deal, and the "Beane haters" that have said it's good. And the Beane-respecting Angels fans seem to be overjoyed. Strange dynamic, although not necessarily unexpected. I think the metathread has completely changed the debate on any A's signing.

The Loaiza deal was marginal ... any "Beane worshipper" knows that he'd be going out on a limb if he likes it, so as a CYA measure he doesn't ... and any "Beane hater" sees it as an un-stereotypical-Beane-like deal that the groupthinkers hate but still might turn out well, and so he likes it. Anyway, that's my crackpot theory.

Personally, I just wish everyone would drop the whole Beane hate/worship thing and just talk about the moves on merit alone. It's the worst thing about this site, and it sucks that I can't have a decent discussion about my favorite team without someone coming in to ######### a fanboy or ######### a fanboy ######### and bring back the metathread. I wouldn't mind it once in a while, but every damn time? Stop it. Please. If I weren't an A's fan, I'd be rooting for the A's to win the WS or Beane to resign and go write for Rolling Stone or something, just to shut everyone up for once, instead of only the former for obvious reasons.
   31. DCA Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:06 PM (#1753282)
Anybody else think that Howry signing is looking pretty good right now?

I'd say okay, not pretty good. Only because Howry has a history of not being healthy. If Howry weren't an above-average injury risk, I'd say it looks great. Although there's still plenty of offseason yet to change my mind.
   32. Dizzypaco Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:09 PM (#1753290)
Not that I support the Loaiza deal, but shouldn't you pay more for a middle of the rotation starter than for a middle reliever whose awful every alternating year?
   33. DCA Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:11 PM (#1753296)
Oh and JC, I know I've been cranky to you recently, but I didn't mean for it to read that way in #30, I'm just using you as a jumping off point for the theory, and then the rant, not its target, necessarily.
   34. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:15 PM (#1753303)
Just wait until those tight pinstriped pants. He's also quite the drinker.

That's right. I think the Cubs Chatterers would be more than happy to see a resurrection of the Captain Tightpants nickname for old Farny.

Just don't call him "the Farns" like Chip Caray used to do. I want to throw him through a window every time he said it.
   35. chris p Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:26 PM (#1753322)
That's right. I think the Cubs Chatterers would be more than happy to see a resurrection of the Captain Tightpants nickname for old Farny.

and don't you punks try to patent it. prior art, #######!
   36. Spahn Insane Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:30 PM (#1753332)
It was Juan Acevedo who bombed with the Yanks, levski (highlighted by his first-pitch HR allowed to noted righty-masher Eric Karros in the Clemens/Wood game in '03). Jose's the one who pitched for the Reds a couple years ago.

And no, it doesn't matter.
   37. Sean McNally Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:38 PM (#1753355)
At least the Yankees now have someone who is tough enough to tangle with Captain Thighjiggle. Lord knows he's the toughest S.O.B. this side of Bill Brasky. [/snark]
   38. Sean McNally Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:41 PM (#1753360)
I wonder if they had to scratch "steroids" out of the contract?


It's crapola like this that drives the steroid agnostics like me nuts. What proof does anyone have that Farnsworth is a user?

He's always thrown hard and he's always been a #########. That doesn't make him a steroid user, it makes him a hard-throwing #########.

But he's our ######### apparently, and that's OK with me.
   39. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:43 PM (#1753365)
The Tigers offered him a 3 year, 10.5 Million dollar contract in July that he turned down and that was why he is traded to the Braves. The Tigers need a closer now (or at least in the market for one) and were assumed to be looking at Farnsworth again.

So I guess this means the Tigers overpay for Flash Gordon.
   40. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:46 PM (#1753370)
Personally, I just wish everyone would drop the whole Beane hate/worship thing and just talk about the moves on merit alone. It's the worst thing about this site, and it sucks that I can't have a decent discussion about my favorite team without someone coming in to ######### a fanboy or ######### a fanboy ######### and bring back the metathread. I wouldn't mind it once in a while, but every damn time? Stop it. Please. If I weren't an A's fan, I'd be rooting for the A's to win the WS or Beane to resign and go write for Rolling Stone or something, just to shut everyone up for once, instead of only the former for obvious reasons.

This is one of the reasons why I've started to come around on having the blogs be distinct from each other instead of the big Primer Sack. Oracle and Gonfalon entries, even the busy ones, tend to be very civil, on-point discussions. Same with Minor Key.

I think when there's an A's area to the site, you'll be happier with the amount of A's baseball talked about. Of course, it's not going to be too soon - I've yet to consider who I'd want to get to be in charge of it.

The next areas to debut should be Rangers and Angels.
   41. Sean McNally Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:46 PM (#1753371)
So I guess this means the Tigers overpay for Flash Gordon.


Not unless they outbid the Phillies.

What's wrong with handing the job to German? Don't you all still have Percival?
   42. DCA Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:46 PM (#1753372)
So I guess this means the Tigers overpay for Flash Gordon.

Is it just me or is there a big gap between Gordon and every other non-Wagner/Ryan RP on the market? If Farns is worth 3/$17, Gordon won't be overpaid at 3/$24.
   43. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:48 PM (#1753377)
Captain Tightpants

When did the doctor become a captain?
   44. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:53 PM (#1753387)
(highlighted by his first-pitch HR allowed to noted righty-masher Eric Karros in the Clemens/Wood game in '03)

yessssssss.

When did the doctor become a captain?

I've heard both, but more Dr. than Captain.
   45. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:56 PM (#1753395)
Percival has not been healthy for 2 seasons, so I assume the Tigers will not count on him again this season. Actually Fernado Roney held down the closing job after the trades of Urbina and Farnsworth. I thought he did well (2.86 ERA, 42 K's, 17 BBs, 5 HRs, 44 Innings), but I guess they want to move him to the set-up role.

German walks too many batters to be a closer.
   46. scotto Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:58 PM (#1753400)
Who knows Access well?

I need a query that joins two tables on an ID variable, but spits out only those cases where Table1.Var1 does not equal Table2.Var1. My SQL skills are lame. Anyone?
   47. scotto Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:59 PM (#1753402)
Oops, I totally apologize. This was not meant for here.
   48. chris p Posted: November 30, 2005 at 07:59 PM (#1753404)
It's crapola like this that drives the steroid agnostics like me nuts. What proof does anyone have that Farnsworth is a user?

have you read those AIM logs? that's some serious roid rage!
   49. The District Attorney Posted: November 30, 2005 at 08:00 PM (#1753405)
Gotta totally agree with #30.
   50. chris p Posted: November 30, 2005 at 08:03 PM (#1753415)
select ... from table1, table2 where table1.id = table2.id && table1.var1 <> table2.var1?
   51. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 30, 2005 at 08:09 PM (#1753439)
That's right. I think the Cubs Chatterers would be more than happy to see a resurrection of the Captain Tightpants nickname for old Farny.

Especially since the nanny was changed so you can't say d**gw******r
   52. JC in DC Posted: November 30, 2005 at 08:10 PM (#1753443)
Oh and JC, I know I've been cranky to you recently, but I didn't mean for it to read that way in #30, I'm just using you as a jumping off point for the theory, and then the rant, not its target, necessarily.


Hey, man, no problem. I just assumed we hated each other.
   53. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: November 30, 2005 at 08:20 PM (#1753464)
SOX SIGNED KONERKO
   54. Honkie Kong Posted: November 30, 2005 at 08:23 PM (#1753474)
Hey, man, no problem. I just assumed we hated each other.
wish more people were like this..would be more fun. All this brotherly love is sickening.
lets get some cain and abel on #######!

</caffeine rage>
   55. DTS Posted: November 30, 2005 at 08:34 PM (#1753495)
So I guess this means the Tigers overpay for Flash Gordon.

It's been over a year since the Tigers overpaid for a closer, so they're due.
   56. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 30, 2005 at 09:00 PM (#1753523)
Anybody else think that Howry signing is looking pretty good right now?

Actually, I was thinking that right about now, Howry and his agent are asking themselves why they didn't wait until after Ryan and Wagner had set the market.
   57. jwb Posted: November 30, 2005 at 09:47 PM (#1753632)
I've always hoped that Farnsworth would (permanently) turn the corner.

When Paul Wilson took those two steps toward the mound, I was thinking, "6'4", 220#, 5% body fat, hobbies are working out, martial arts, and drinking. Except for the off-duty CPD security guys who are packing, is there anybody in Wrigley Field you would less want to pick a fight with?"
   58. jwb Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:05 PM (#1753687)
You beat me, Chris P. scotto, are you trying to update your copy of the Lahman database? I've run variations on that query about a gazillion times. . .
   59. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:14 PM (#1753706)
"It's crapola like this that drives the steroid agnostics like me nuts. What proof does anyone have that Farnsworth is a user?"

Ding ding ding!
   60. Big Shea Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:30 PM (#1753745)
I'm surprised Casman did this after Chris Russo's stern warning to him on the FAN yesterday:

"Did you not SEE game 4 of the NLCS!!??
   61. DCW3 Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:46 PM (#1753787)
"Did you not SEE game 4 of the NLCS!!??

Wait, so the Yankees picked up Jason Marquis?
   62. scotto Posted: November 30, 2005 at 10:58 PM (#1753814)
You beat me, Chris P. scotto, are you trying to update your copy of the Lahman database? I've run variations on that query about a gazillion times. . .

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Sorry to brainfart like that. No jwb, not Lahman but some work stuff. It ended up being easier to convert the data to SAS format and do my work that way. My SQL/Access skills blow.
   63. Morph Posted: November 30, 2005 at 11:27 PM (#1753895)
Hell, Farnsworth had a pretty good year in 2005. And that melt down in the play offs would have been forgotten if the Braves could have hit the damn ball with runner's in scoring postion. In other words, if you're a Yankee fan:

Accen-tu-ate the Positive
E=lim-inate the Negative

Hey, it worked on the Tony Womack signing.

HE'S GOT SPEED! SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD!
   64. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:34 AM (#1754027)
So the bullpen as it looks now is: Rivera, Farnsworth, Small, Sturtze, Wright (for two weeks before his shoulder tears), and Proctor. It still needs work, but does not look too bad.

This goes by the assumption that their rotation is : Johnson, Wang, Mussina, Chacon, Pavano.
   65. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:35 AM (#1754029)
HE'S GOT SPEED!

Methamphetamines are now being tested for. </witty pun>
   66. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:43 AM (#1754045)

HE'S GOT SPEED!

Methamphetamines are now being tested for. </witty pun>


Hey! Gagne got a good one off. Let's having a standing O
   67. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: December 01, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1754070)
So the bullpen as it looks now is: Rivera, Farnsworth, Small, Sturtze, Wright (for two weeks before his shoulder tears), and Proctor. It still needs work, but does not look too bad.


One assumes they'll be acquiring a lefty specialist as well.
   68. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: December 01, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1754156)
So the bullpen as it looks now is: Rivera, Farnsworth, Small, Sturtze, Wright (for two weeks before his shoulder tears), and Proctor. It still needs work, but does not look too bad.

Take Rivera out of there and it looks pretty bad to me.

One assumes they'll be acquiring a lefty specialist as well.

Only if Al Leiter retires.
   69. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 01, 2005 at 01:59 AM (#1754186)
<i>Only if Al Leiter retires.<i>

Well, there is an open Senate seat in NJ.
   70. Darren Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:05 AM (#1754199)
Did this deal go down or what? I expected wall-to-wall coverage on the NY stations but heard none.
   71. zonk Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:15 AM (#1754209)
HeHe

I may get the extra innings package just so I can watch ol tightpants blow up in NY.

2006 should make for some mighty interesting theater in Yankee disliker land. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if there's any way for Mariano Rivera to take a 2-3 week vacation some time in August, I might even have to make it a point to pick up the NY Post on a daily basis.
   72. Spivey Posted: December 01, 2005 at 02:46 AM (#1754248)

It's crapola like this that drives the steroid agnostics like me nuts. What proof does anyone have that Farnsworth is a user?

He's always thrown hard and he's always been a #########. That doesn't make him a steroid user, it makes him a hard-throwing #########.


It could mean he's always been taking steroids. Obviously the person who made the claim doesn't know, and he might have just been trying to rile NYY fans up. There's a fine line for steroids though. It's basically impossible to have solid proof short of test results or a confession. That doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) suspect others of having taken steroids. But, you do have to be judicious and realize it's quite likely he's not taking steroids as well.
   73. Darren Posted: December 01, 2005 at 06:16 AM (#1754554)
I don't like this deal. The Yanks ignored the concerns about "character" or "being able to handle NY" and went out and got a dominant reliever. Hope this isn't a trend.
   74. Dr. Vaux Posted: December 01, 2005 at 08:50 AM (#1754635)
Dominant? Are you this man's agent?
   75. Evan Posted: December 01, 2005 at 03:34 PM (#1754782)
Farnsworth is a d-khead. Another reason to dislike the Yankees.

Actually, he's a d0ngwrangler... it's important to get this terminology down.
   76. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 02, 2005 at 02:05 AM (#1755948)
What's up with this now? Is the, variously represented d-khead or d0ngwrangler, going to sign with Texas now? It would be pretty funny 1f both Farnsworth and Gordon ended up elsewhere and the yanks spent the winter extolling the virutes of their internal options.
   77. The Balls of Summer Posted: December 02, 2005 at 09:47 AM (#1756362)
I am shocked, SHOCKED that the Cubs fans are in here trashing the signing.

Too bad for you, he actually had a good year last year.
   78. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 02, 2005 at 03:11 PM (#1756422)
Actually, he's a d0ngwrangler... it's important to get this terminology down.

We're trying to use "jeep wrangler" instead of what you used.
   79. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: December 02, 2005 at 04:53 PM (#1756545)
Dominant? Are you this man's agent?

More likely he simply watched Farnsworth pitch in 2005. He was dominant in Detroit. He was dominant in Atlanta. He had one bad game in Houston to end the year.
   80. chris p Posted: December 03, 2005 at 03:51 AM (#1757676)
hahahaha farnsworth? he sucks!

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