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Monday, July 26, 2004

The Baseball Lifers - Part 2

Joseph looks at the best of baseball’s one-team players.  Part 2 of 2.

Here is the American League installment of the exercise to find the best
lineups made up of players who spent their entire career with that
particular franchise.  As before I have come up with full lineups for the
original eight franchises and then just hit the highlights for the
expansion teams.  I have left the Devil Rays out altogether as they havent
been around long enough to have any players really qualify.  I used OPS+ for
position players and ERA+ for pitchers and all of the numbers came from  Players have to have played for a minimum of three
years to be eligible for inclusion on a roster.

Yankees - Whether you love them or hate them you cant deny that the Yankees
have been the most successful team in baseball over the past 80+ years. 
Probably the primary reason for this ongoing success was that they were able
to develop good players, recognize them and then hold on to them.  I know
that this was easier before the days of free agency but still New York has
had so many long-term players that I have listed two for every position and
I am not even sure that found them all.

1B - Lou Gehrig (17 yrs/179 OPS+) & Don Mattingly (14 yrs/127 OPS+) I live
in Evansville, IN and there was a period back in the late 1980s when the
cable system here carried WPIX, just to show the Yankee games.  I had never
been exposed to Phil Rizzuto before and I learned two things, Bill White has
the patience of a saint, and Paradise By The Dashboard Light makes even
more sense after you have heard Rizzuto actually do baseball.
2B Jerry Coleman (9 yrs/83 OPS+) & Bobby Richardson (12 yrs/77 OPS+)
SS Phil Rizzuto (13 yrs/93 OPS+) & Tony Kubek (9 yrs/85 OPS+) Actually,
Scooter was better at the plate than I had thought
3B Gil McDougald (10 yrs/111 OPS+) & Red Rolfe (10 yrs/100 OPS+) A lot of
these guys were still pretty good players when they retired, I guess they
figured they had already earned enough Series rings and it was time to move
on.  Actually in McDougalds case I have read that the Yankees were not
going to protect him in the expansion draft and he didnt want to play
anywhere else.
C   Bill Dickey (17 yrs/127 OPS+) & Thurman Munson (11 yrs/116 OPS) Yogi,
why did you put yourself in for those handful of ABs for the Mets
OF Mickey Mantle (18 yrs/172 OPS+) & Earle Combs (12 yrs/126 OPS+) When
you grew up in the hinterlands back in the late 50s and early 60s (as I
did), the only televised baseball you got to see were the various networks
games of the week.  Then, as now, the Yankees were a prominent feature so I
got to see Mantle play quite a bit.  He was somewhat past his prime years by
then but the thing I remember (at least I think I remember) is that he never
got cheated at the plate; even with two strikes he still took a full cut. 
Of course that resulted in lots of swinging strike outs but you also knew
who was at bat.
OF Joe DiMaggio (13 yrs/155 OPS+) & Roy White (15 yrs/121 OPS+)
OF Tommy Henrich (11 yrs/132 OPS+) & George Selkirk (9 yrs/127 OPS+)
P -  Whitey Ford (16 yrs/132 ERA+) & Spud Chandler (11 yrs/132 ERA+ with
109-43 W-L record)

Red Sox - For all of their past history and historical baggage, the one
thing that amazes me about this team is that, essentially, they only had
four different left fielders from 1939 (Ted Williams first year) through
1995, the last year that Mike Greenwell played regularly.  There have been a
lot of teams go through that many in just a couple of seasons.

1B Carl Yaztrzemski (23 yrs/130 OPS+) Played over 700 games at first
2B Bobby Doerr (14 yrs/115 OPS+)
SS Rico Petrocelli (13 yrs/109 OPS+)
3B Tim Naehring (8 yrs/102 OPS+)
C   Bill Carrigan (10 yrs/94 OPS+) Was only a regular in 1910 but was on
three World Series champions, 1912/15/16
OF Ted Williams (19 yrs/190 OPS+) Lost five years to WWII and Korean War
OF Jim Rice (16 years/128 OPS+)
OF Mike Greenwell (12 years/120 OPS+) Someone might have to DH to get Dom
DiMaggio in the outfield.  He was not a bad hitter (111 OPS+) either.
P   Mel Parnell (10 yrs/125 ERA+ with a 123-75 W-L record)

Orioles - Includes the Browns.  People are always talking about competitive
balance in baseball like that was something that used to exist and has gone
away.  In 1935 the St. Louis Browns drew 80,922 paid admissions for the
entire year.  The American League attendance leader that year was the
champion Detroit Tigers who drew 1,034,929 so the Browns drew about 8% of
the Tigers home attendance.  In contrast last year the Yankees led the AL in
attendance with 3,465,600 while the Tampa Bay Devil Rays brought up the rear
with 1,058,596 paying customers.  This figures out to about 30% of New
Yorks home crowd.  I grant that now paid admissions alone is not the sole
determinant of a teams income as it was in the 1930s but I just wanted to
make the point that there has always been a wide disparity between the haves
and the have-nots when it comes to resources in MLB.  This is one of the
reasons why that bad teams have had trouble hanging on to good players when
they have come up with them; they end up having to move them along in order
to generate income to pay the bills.

1B Hank Arft (5 yrs/90 OPS+) Only 1056 plate appearances
2B Rich Dauer (10 yrs/83 OPS+)
SS Cal Ripken, Jr. (21 yrs/112 OPS+)
3B Brooks Robinson (23 yrs/104 OPS+)
C   Chris Hoiles (10 yrs/119 OPS+)
OF Gus Williams (5 yrs/110 OPS+) Played 1911-15 Might be the best
exclusive Brownie of them all
OF Dick Kokos (5 yrs/108 OPS+) Made the move to Baltimore in 1954
OF Al Schweitzer (4 yrs/95 OPS+) Played 1908-11 Only 1014 PA
P   Jim Palmer (19 yrs/125 ERA+ 268 wins)

Indians -  The Indians were just sort of there when I was growing up; cycling through players and even
uniforms on a regular basis.

1B Luke Easter (6 yrs/125 OPS+) Didnt get to the majors until he was 33
2B Vern Fuller (6 yrs/86 OPS+) Never really a regular, only 883 plate
SS Ray Chapman (9 yrs/111 OPS+)
3B Al Rosen (10 yrs/137 OPS+) Didnt play long but was good while he was
C   Harry Bemis (9 yrs/92 OPS+) 1902-10 Never heard of him before
OF Joe Charboneau (3 yrs/115 OPS+) Rookie of the Year in 1980 and out of
baseball for good by 1983
OF Jack Graney (14 yrs/100 OPS+) Supposedly the first ballplayer to make
the move to broadcasting after playing
OF Joe Birmingham (9 yrs/84 OPS+) 1906-14
P   Addie Joss (9 yrs/142 OPS+ with a 160-97 W-L record) before dying
young.  Bob Feller pitched longer (18 yrs while missing time in WWII) with a
122 ERA+.  Bob Lemon deserves some sort of mention for winning 207 games
while also putting up a 87 OPS+ at the plate.

Tigers - They have fallen upon some hard times recently but overall the
Tigers are one of the more successful franchises in the American League.

1B Bob Ducky Jones (9 yrs/75 OPS+) The weakest position among lifetime
2B Lou Whitaker (19 yrs/117 OPS+)
SS Alan Trammell(20 yrs/110 OPS+) Could hardly have one without the other
3B Charlie Gehringer (19 yrs/124 OPS+) Did actually play a few games at
C   Bill Freehan (15 yrs/112 OPS+) Detroit native and caught almost 1600
OF Al Kaline (22 yrs/134 OPS+) Straight from high school to the Tigers
OF Pat Mullin (10 yrs/115 OPS+) Lost 4 yrs to WWII
OF Gates Brown (13 yrs/110 OPS+) Never really a regular except for a
couple of years but hung around for a long time
P   Tommy Bridges (16 yrs/126 ERA+ with 194 wins) or John Hiller (15 yrs/134
ERA+ in relief)

White Sox - Another one of those teams that for me at least is just part of
the background.  Just as a point of reference I have been to Wrigley Field
probably 30 times over the years and went to old Comiskey once.  I know
there are some die hard White Sox fans out there but for general baseball
fans they come under the heading of one of those generic teams.

1B Mike Squires (10 yrs/78 OPS+) No power at all 6 homers in nearly 1600
at bats; more famous for catching a few games as a left handed thrower
2B Swede Risberg (4 yrs/83 OPS+)
SS Luke Appling (20 yrs/112 OPS+) The one constant on some pretty mediocre
Sox teams in the thirties and forties
3B Buck Weaver (9 yrs/92 OPS+)
C   Ron Karkovice (12 yrs/81 OPS+)
OF Happy Felsch (6 yrs/123 OPS+) I am not going to make any value
judgments on the three Black Sox on this list.  It is more of a comment on
how Chicago has cycled through players than anything else.
OF Johnny Mostil (10 yrs/113 OPS+) 1918-29 but didnt really play until
1920 so avoided contamination with the Black Sox
OF Guy Curtright (4 yrs/115 OPS+) Last year was 1946; the White Sox
starting outfielders in 1947 combined for 12 homers so maybe he got hurt. 
Curtright hadnt played much in 46 anyway so maybe he really wasnt that
P   Red Faber (20 yrs/119 ERA+ and 254 wins).  Ted Lyons pitched 21 years
and recorded a 112 ERA+ [A little cruel to Mostil? -DS]

Twins - Includes Senators Mark I.  You can say what you want about the
Griffiths but they were loyal to their players.  A couple of pretty
decent, long-term Senators didnt make the lineup; Clyde Milan and Ossie

1B Kent Hrbek (14 yrs/127 OPS+) Grew up in the Minneapolis area
2B Ray Morgan (8 yrs/98 OPS+) 1911-18
SS Cecil Travis (12 yrs/108 OPS+) Missed all of 3 years and most of
another due to WWII and was finished by age 33
3B Buddy Lewis (11 yrs/110 OPS+)
C   Patsy Gharrity (10 yrs/90 OPS+)
OF Bob Allison (13 yrs/127 OPS+)
OF Kirby Puckett (12 yrs/124 OPS+)
OF Tony Oliva (15 yrs/131 OPS+) Knee injuries probably kept him from the
Hall of Fame, still pretty good
P   Walter Johnson (21 yrs/146 ERA+ with 417 Wins at an almost .600 winning

Athletics - The migratory As have had plenty of good players in their
history, unfortunately for their fans they have not been able to hang on to
them.  Whether it was because Connie Mack couldn’t or wouldn’t pay his star
players or because Charles O. Finley just alienated his men to the point
where they left as soon as possible; the As have the weakest group of
career players out of all of the 16 long-term franchises.

1B Troy Neel (3 yrs/127 OPS+) Went to Japan
2B Dick Green (12 yrs/87 OPS+) Known for glove
SS Irv Hall (4 yrs/97 OPS+) 1943-46
3B Pete Suder (13 yrs/71 OPS+) Actually a second baseman but played some
C   Earle Brucker (5 yrs/107 OPS+) Only 811 plate appearances
OF Walter French (6 yrs/81 OPS+) 981 AB
OF Leo Posada (3 yrs/86 OPS+) 426 AB
OF Eddie Collins, Jr. (3 yrs/61 OPS+) Looks like his father used up most
of the baseball playing ability in the family
P   Eddie Rommel (12 yrs/121 ERA+ with 171-119 W-L record) I am not
sure how he survived the purge when Mack broke up his last championship team
unless he just retired rather than pitch somewhere else

Angels - Probably the best hitter to play his entire career for the Angels
has been 1B Daryl Sconiers (5 yrs/97 OPS+) who managed 637 AB from 1981-85. 
Both Gary DiSarcina (12 yrs/66 OPS+) and Buck Rodgers (9 yrs/73 OPS+) played
longer but were lesser hitters; if you are not much of a hitter it certainly
helps if play a key defensive position.  The best career Angel hurler is
probably reliever Stew Cliburn who turned in a 128 ERA+ in three years,
almost all of in an outstanding 1985.

Rangers - Includes Senators Mark II.  Assuming that Rusty Greer (9 yrs/120
OPS+) is finished, he is the man.  The only other position player who comes
close is outfielder Dave Moates who put up an 88 OPS+ in 312 AB over three
years of part-time duty in the mid-seventies.  The only pitcher who really
stands out is Roger Pavlik with a 101 ERA+ in his 7 years of Ranger duty.

Royals - Of course here you have George Brett (21 yrs/135 OPS+), but you also
have Frank White (18 yrs/85 OPS+) and John Wathan (10 yrs/83 OPS+).  Kansas
City also has some pretty good pitchers who spent their entire career in a
Royals uniform:  Paul Splittorf who won 166 games (101 ERA+ over 15 years),
Dennis Leonard who managed a 107 ERA+ and 144 wins in his 12 seasons, and
Steve Busby, whose career only lasted 8 years (105 ERA+) but included two

Brewers - Includes Pilots.  Robin Yount (20 yrs/115 OPS+); this number would
likely be a little higher without those first few years where he was
somewhat overmatched at the plate.  Other career Brewers of note include
Dave Nilsson (8 yrs/110 OPS+), Mark Brouhard (6 yrs/99 OPS+) and the pride
of Fond du Lac, Jim Gantner (17 yrs/88 OPS+).  The best pitching performance
by a career Brewer would be Teddy Higuera who put up a 117 ERA+ in his 9
years, mostly from 1985-90, after that the arm miseries had set in and he
was pretty much finished.

Blue Jays - Not much here.  The best position player to spend his entire turn
with Toronto has been Garth Iorg, who turned in a 72 OPS+ for his 9 year
career as a semi-regular.  Once you get past Iorg you are in to Ron Shepherd
(29 OPS+ in 108 AB) territory.  Pitching is a little better as you can count
Luis Leal (6 yrs/103 ERA+) and Jerry Garvin (6 yrs/94 ERA+) in the list of
lifetime Jays.

Mariners -  I thought I would find Alvin Davis on this list but he had what I
would call a fingernail year in 1992 with the Angels.  In his case Davis
had been signed by California as a free agent but ended up only playing in
40 games before getting released.  As I was researching this article I found
this type of thing fairly frequently, a player spends his entire career with
one team and then moves to another team trying to hang on by his
fingernails.  Sometimes it is successful but more times than not the player
ends up embarrassing himself because he just cant play any longer.  To get
back to the Mariners; until Edgar retires the best position player to spend
his entire career there has been Mickey Brantley (4 yrs/89 OPS+).  The best
pitcher has been Kaz Sasaki who put up a 138 ERA+ in his four seasons as an

Joseph Hudgions Posted: July 26, 2004 at 01:19 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Halofan Posted: July 26, 2004 at 09:41 AM (#755848)
You never hear about Daryl Sconiers anymore - not at the Anaheim oldtimer events and not in the Pomona police blotters...
   2. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 26, 2004 at 02:34 PM (#755988)
Good research and all, but why no copy editing? It was pretty tough to read.
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 26, 2004 at 02:54 PM (#756035)
Just a quibble: Yogi didn't "put himself in" for the extra ABs with the Mets. He was a Mets' coach at the time under Casey Stengel, and was activated briefly in April and May of 1965 back when teams didn't have to cut to 25 players until mid-May.

-- MWE
   4. f/k/a Scoriano Posted: July 26, 2004 at 03:07 PM (#756061)
Very nice work.

Gil McDougald was really a 2B not a 3B, but I'm glad to see he is on the list no mater where you put him, and he is probably a better choice than Bobby Brown. Rolfe is the clear first choice at 3B.

SS: Kubek over Frank Crosetti? Crosetti had an 84 OPS+ and played 17 years for the Yankees. I think that beats Kubek's 9 years (85 OPS+). Frank's continuous service was the longest in team history when you include his 3B coaching.

I also think Guidry's 14 years and 170-91 record in 2392 innings at 120 ERA+ are better than Spud Chandler's 132 ERA+ in only 1485 innings. Chandler only started 20 or more games 6 times. His best year was 1943, a year that was soft in talent.

Thanks for the work. I enjoyed it.
   5. Ziggy's screen name Posted: July 26, 2004 at 04:26 PM (#756187)
Yes, a very enjoyable article. I was surprised by how low Ripken's OPS+ was. I don't know what I would have guessed, but it would have been something above 112.
   6. Repoz Posted: July 26, 2004 at 04:56 PM (#756243)
SS Cecil Travis (12 yrs/108 OPS+) Missed all of 3 years and most of
another due to WWII and was finished by age 33

Bob Feller was really pushing him for the HoF this weekend up in Cooperstown.

Good stuff!
   7. Catfish326 Posted: July 26, 2004 at 05:05 PM (#756263)
Ripkin is one of the most overrated players in history. He was lucky enough not to get injured for a long time . . . so what. Who has played the most consecutive games in NFL history and NBA history? Most people don't even know, or care. Jim Marshall on the Vikings has recovered more fumbles than any other player, and he has played more consecutive FOOTBALL GAMES (a little more challenging than baseball, not to get injured) . . . and Marshall is not even in the HOF. I can't tell you who has played the most consecutive NBA games. The media loves their little white poster children. From the list above, here are other middle-infielders with the same or a higher OPS: Bobby Doerr, Lou Whitaker, Luke Appling, and Robin Yount. I'd take Ozzie Smith over Ripkin any day.
   8. Catfish326 Posted: July 26, 2004 at 05:30 PM (#756305)
NBA record for most consecutive games is A. C. Green, with 907.
   9. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: July 26, 2004 at 06:38 PM (#756431)
Tigers' team looks OK; most of them are obvious picks (Kaline, G-Man, Sweet Lou, Tram, Freehan).

I think I'd rather have Mickey Stanley (15 yrs/90 OPS+) at first (he did play 94 games there, though of course he was mostly an outfielder), and maybe Bobby Higginson (9 yrs/114+ thru 2003) if he get his act together; Gates can DH, of course.

I'd take Ozzie Smith over Ripkin [sic] any day.

You'd take a OPS+ of 87 over a 112 over a twenty-year period? Really? (Can I play cards with you?) Ripken created over 700 more runs in his career than Ozzie did...all the backflips in the world can't make up for that...
   10. Catfish326 Posted: July 26, 2004 at 06:43 PM (#756443)
Pitching and defense wins ballgames, not consecutive streaks. Ozzie was the master.
   11. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: July 26, 2004 at 06:55 PM (#756470)
Pitching and defense wins ballgames, not consecutive streaks. Ozzie was the master.

No, scoring runs and preventing runs from being scored is what wins ballgames, by definition. Ozzie was a great defensive SS (career Range Factor of 5.03 vs league average of 4.10), but Cal was no slouch either (4.62-4.07); there's no way in hell the difference between them defensively was worth the extra seven hundred runs Ripken provided with his bat...
   12. Catfish326 Posted: July 26, 2004 at 07:47 PM (#756586)
Sports Illustrated labeled his consecutive-games record as the most overrated in all of sports history. Ripken was no Honus Wagner, and even Robin Yount's OPS is greater that the Great Ripken's. I'm just saying he gets way more attention than he deserves. When Rickey Henderson broke the record, in 2001, for the most runs scored, he took a back-seat to all the Ripken press over his stupid retirement, and the all-star game homer he had, even though he didn't seserve to be there (he hit .239 that year and scored 43 runs . . .wow!) Rickey scored more runs than ANYONE, EVER. That record should have been all over the headlines.
   13. Ziggy's screen name Posted: July 26, 2004 at 10:47 PM (#756880)
Given a career OPS+ of 112, I think we can safely say Ripken was overrated. Given a career OPS+ of 87, I think we can say the same thing about Ozzie. Just for the sake of comparison, consider this: Ozzie's OPS+ was only six points higher than Luis Rivas'.
   14. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 26, 2004 at 10:57 PM (#756899)
Where is part 1 of this article? A link would've been nice.
   15. Catfish326 Posted: July 27, 2004 at 12:15 PM (#758267)
Ozzie was never blanketed by the media in nauseating fashion, the way Ripken was, and still is. Can't wait until he goes into the HOF . . . we'll have to move to Iceland to save ourselves from getting hit fifty times a day with Ripken-mania.
   16. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 27, 2004 at 12:31 PM (#758271)
It is a shame that Dwight Evans misses the list because of one year with the o's. It would have been a great Red Sox outfield. More importantly, the underrated Red Sox deserved to end his career with the team.
He would have been an improvement over Brunansky in the OF in '91.
   17. schuey Posted: July 27, 2004 at 02:13 PM (#758372)
When YESnetwork had the "short list" with Rizzutoe, Kubek, Dent, McDougald, and Jeter (best player in baseball, which for some reason is not shown 5 days a was very good...McDougald said he was a SS in minors but Rogers Hornsby saw him in spring training and advised Stengel that he could play 2B.
As far as Sports Illustrated saying Ripken's streak is the most overrated in history, isn't this the same rag that says Trevor Hoffman is the greatest relief pitcher in history (yeah, he did just great in 1998 world series) and picked the Indians to win pennant in 1987.
   18. John M. Perkins Posted: July 27, 2004 at 08:15 PM (#759010)
It was a shame that Harmon Killebrew couldn't make the Senators/Twins list. The hobbled Killebrew wanted to sign with the Twins in 1975 for Royals money or less, but the CBA wouldn't permit the Twins to sign him for that big of a pay cut.
   19. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: July 28, 2004 at 06:49 PM (#761099)
Regarding Ripken, looking at his career stats it's pretty clear that for the last 10 years of his career (with the exception of '99), the guy was basically an average baseball player. The first ten years of his career however, he was equally clearly an outstanding player.

True, his career 112 OPS+ doesn't look spectacular, but it was dragged down a good bit by his last two seasons. Also, the ability to play 161-162 games a season at a quality level year in and year out has tremendous value that doesn't get measured by OPS+.
   20. AK47 Posted: July 28, 2004 at 07:20 PM (#761152)
I don't think the level of difficulty of someone's achievement puts them at a corresponding place in the news. Rickey is living breathing EGO. he was a good player, but not a good guy

Tommorow's headline:

Construction worker works 13 hour day in 100+ degree weather then plays in co-ed softball doubleheader!!
   21. Catfish326 Posted: July 29, 2004 at 01:52 PM (#763059)
Ripken is the King at getting the "construction worker" headlines.

Because Rickey has an ego, he is a "bad guy"? I recall seeing Rickey, with the Yankees, at Fenway Park in the 80s. The fans loved shouting things at him, and Rickey always laughed and made gestures back to them, all in good fun. Even the Fenway fans enjoyed his comical actions. I've never read about a teammate saying a bad thing about Rickey. This guy loves the game so much, he continues to play in the minor leagues for relatively minor pay. And, he always plays hard. "If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." -- Rickey Henderson
   22. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: July 29, 2004 at 08:10 PM (#763775)
Bottom line: I'd take Ripken over Ozzie any day of the week. (In fact, I'd probably take Trammell over Ozzie as well, but it's a lot closer.)

I don't understand where this hatred of Cal Ripken comes from. It seems half the media lionize the guy while half despise him because...the other half lionize him, I guess. I agree the man is overrated, but that's the media's fault, not his. (What was he supposed to say? "I'm not really that good, honest! I'm a selfish pig for not taking the occasional day off! I sure hope Kevin Costner's not sleeping with my wife!")
   23. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 29, 2004 at 11:51 PM (#764171)
What half of the media despised Ripken? I got tired of his act in the mid-90's, but all I heard was a few words from Gammons about how he separated himself from the team and how he might have performed better if he took a few days off.
I do not remember a single person who ever said #### about how Ripken was a little bit above average, before or after. The whole world stopped just to watch this schmuch show up.
Then, he is sainted for fleecing local governments out of $10 million dollars to build him a MINOR LEAGUE ballpark.
Screw him and those lousy O's fans who worship him and don't support their team.
   24. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: July 30, 2004 at 12:21 AM (#764224)
What half of the media despised Ripken?

The folks who say things like:

Screw him and those lousy O's fans who worship him

   25. shoomee Posted: July 30, 2004 at 08:01 AM (#764650)
One of the "Baseball Chronicles" that STATS used to publish before being bought out by Sporting News once did a study of Ripken's games after a day off, all-star break, etc. It found his BA and SLG were virtually indentical to his lifetime figures so maybe he just id different from99.99% of people. And if his manager felt it was necessary, than why did they? As Ripken said in an interview to Don Sutton on a Braves game near the end of his career "People forget I played for Earl Weaver, Joe Altobelli and Davey Johnson. Anybody who knows anything about baseball knows that you don't give them orders on how to manage".
   26. alio intuito Posted: July 30, 2004 at 02:35 PM (#764851)
I just want to thank everyone for their kind remarks on these two articles. Somehow the formatting got a little wacked out in the conversion from Word to Unix; that was my fault and was due to inexperience.

I think the most surprising thing I learned when doing the research for this was just how few major leaguers actually spend their entire careers with just one team. If you disregard the players with only token careers, the number must be in the 5 to 10 percent range, if not lower; perhaps someone with better database skills than me could undertake that study. It is fashionable today to blame this on free agency but there has always been a lot of player movement in baseball, even Babe Ruth was traded and, eventually, released. The advent of free agency has just enabled the players to have some control over where they play instead of allowing the teams to be the sole source of the decision; again this might be the focus of another study. What I find remarkable is that, despite free agency, Hall of Famers such as George Brett, Tony Gwynn and Robin Yount all had single team careers with “small market” teams. All three players (and others as well) felt that loyalty to their teams outweighed the opportunities to be found elsewhere.

Joseph Hudgions
   27. Mick Kelleher's Home Run Posted: August 03, 2004 at 12:09 AM (#772484)
It seemed to me that there was some negative sentiment in the media regarding the no-trade clauses of Randy Johnson and Carlos Delgado and how they wouldn't waive them. However, the 5 and 10 rule was put into effect partly to keep the marquee players on the teams they are identified with, right? Aren't they being 'loyal' to their fans?

Anyone want to list the top ten active 1-team players? Delgado, Frank Thomas, Jeter, Biggio, Bagwell, Larkin, Edgar, Bernie? Salmon? Chipper,... and for pitchers: Smoltz ... hmmm, more hitters than pitchers ... I guess it's useless cuz they'll likely finish up w/other teams.

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