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## Monday, July 30, 2001

#### 2001 In Season Defense Independent Pitching Stats Report

Voros supplies some up-to-date DIPS data.

We?ve played about 100 games so far this year and I think   it?s high time we bring up everybody?s favorite Sabermetric Food-Fight topic,   Defense Independent Pitching Stats (DIPS).

For those   of you unfamiliar with the topic, DIPS is a little thing I developed about two   years ago in an attempt to try and separate the contributions of a pitcher?s   defense from his stats. Obviously if a pitcher has a team of Jose Cansecos lumbering   around the field behind him, he?s liable to give up a bunch more runs than he   probably deserves. DIPS was designed to address this situation in a somewhat   novel way, rather than trying to apply some sort of ?team-defense adjustment?   to each pitcher?s stats, it instead circumvented this step completely by focusing   on those elements of a pitcher?s stat line that the defense has virtually no   effect on at all (BFP, HR, HP, BB, SO, IBB).

The results   of doing so, and the implications of those results, opened up a rather sizable   can of worms with lots of productive discussion occurring, and some rather unproductive   arguments also occurring. One of the benefits (curses?) of the information interstate   is that most of this discussion has been captured for posterity on the Internet.   I want to get to this year?s numbers, so I won?t go into the details, as they   have been thoroughly covered elsewhere. I will provide links at the end of this   article to all the various discussions.

The first   thing I?ll do is post the formula I used for the following stats. This isn?t   the formula I will be using at the end of the year, but rather a quick and dirty   one, which allows you to more easily keep track in-season:

DIPS ERA =?((IP*2.4)+(H*.83)+(HR*11.05)+(BB*2.81)-(SO*1.59)) divided by ((IP*0.71)+(H*.244)+(BB*.097)-(SO*.244))

You may   be confused by the inclusion of hits in the above formula, but they are there   just to give an internal estimate of batters faced. If you try it out, you will   see that adjusting the hit totals up or down doesn?t affect the result very   much at all.

Anyway for   2001, we have the usual suspects atop the DIPS leaderboards. In each of the   last two years, the top 5 pitchers in DIPS have been the same: Pedro Martinez,   Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Greg Maddux and Mike Mussina (though not necessarily   in that order). So far this year, the injury to Brown has allowed Andy Pettitte   to join the top 5:

DIPS ERA   2001 (unadjusted for park)

```1.        Pedro Martinez      1.68
2.        Randy Johnson       2.35
4.        Andy Pettitte       3.18
5.        Mike Mussina        3.20
6.        Chan Ho Park        3.31
7.        Matt Morris         3.39
9.        John Burkett        3.52
10.       Kevin Appier        3.57
11.       Javier Vazquez      3.59
12.       Jon Lieber          3.60
13.       Roger Clemens       3.61
14.       Tim Hudson          3.64
15.       Barry Zito          3.65
17.       Rick Reed           3.75
18.       Mark Buehrle        3.77
19.       Russ Ortiz          3.77
20.       Curt Schilling      3.77```

What you?ll   notice is guys like Joe Mays, Jarrod Washburn and Jason Johnson don?t populate   this list. DIPS would seem to indicate that their low ERAs aren?t necessarily   indicative of how well they?re pitching. In other words, if you?re looking for   possible flukes, these guys might be a good start.

The next two lists are the pitchers who have the biggest differences between   their DIPS ERA and their actual ERA. The guys for whom the DIPS ERA is lower   can expect to improve some, and the opposite guys can expect some decline. As   always, there are exceptions, but? it?s good information to know:

ERA lower   than DIPS ERA

```1.        Joe Mays            -1.59
2.        Jamey Wright        -1.59
3.        Jason Johnson       -1.48
4.        A.J. Burnett        -1.21
5.        Aaron Sele!!!       -1.16
6.        Tom Glavine         -1.14
7.        Steve Parris        -1.00
8.        John Burkett!!!     -0.99
9.        Corey Lidle         -0.93
10.       Ben Sheets          -0.89```

The exclamation   points next to Sele and Burkett are there because they have been two of the   few pitchers who have more or less consistently had lower DIPS ERAs than actual   ERAs. Now, all of the sudden the opposite is happening. That really is the central   sticking point of DIPS is that there doesn?t seem to be much of a relationship   between who does well in the defense dependent stats one year and who does well   in them the next.

To wit,   five of the above pitchers had lower DIPS ERAs in 2000 than actual ones (Johnson,   Mays, Sele, Burkett, Lidle). Mays DIPS ERA in 2000 was 4.88 and in 2001 so far   it?s 4.84, basically the same. But in 2000 his actual ERA was 5.57 and so far   in 2001 it is 3.25. Mays is a good example of how much influence this stat can   have, and also how it might be a good deal unreliable.

Here?s the   flipside of the above list:

DIPS ERA   lower than actual ERA

```1.        Dave Burba          1.76
2.        Jose Mercedes       1.73
3.        Bryan Rekar         1.49
4.        Barry Zito          1.36
5.        Joey Hamilton       1.18
6.        Chris Holt          1.14
7.        Willis Roberts      1.13
8.        Kenny Rogers        1.13
9.        Pedro Astacio       1.11
10.       Esteban Loaiza      1.04```

Again, four   of the above pitchers actually posted lower ERAs in 2000 than they did DIPS   ERAs. And also, Barry Zito?s DIPS ERA in 2000 was 4.00 while in 2001 it is 3.65.   But Zito?s ERA in 2000 was a low 2.74 while in 2001 it is a relatively high   5.01.

When I get   it all put together, I?ll post the DIPS ERAs for the year so far on my site.   I?ll post the link as a comment to this article when I get it finished. I?ll   finish this article by discussing a few of the more interesting situations not   yet covered.

Terry Adams ? While he has an ERA of 4.90, Adams DIPS ERA is a sparkling   3.15.? He has continued to show the ability to keep the ball in the ballpark   with only four homers in 90 innings, and has backed that up with a 27/76 BB/SO   ratio. There isn?t much to suggest that something in particular about Adams   would cause him to surrender more hits in play than any other pitcher, and at   the moment, that?s the only reason his ERA is so high.

Kip Wells ? On the flipside, don?t go inscribing the Cooperstown plaque   for Kip Wells just yet. While he is posting a nice little 2.89 ERA, his DIPS   ERA is a bit high at 4.86. Again, before this year there was nothing to suggest   Wells had an ability to prevent hits on balls in play as his career totals in   that regard were quite high coming into the season. Beware of a return to earth   for the young hurler.

Allen Levrault ? Levrault appears to be hanging on the fringes of usefulness   with a 4.94 ERA, but he?s been just flat-out bad with a DIPS ERA of 6.29. He?s   given up Homers by the truckload, and hasn?t struck-out very many more batters   than he?s walked. Now Levrault is fairly young and lacks experience so he can   improve some, but the point is that he has to or else he?s in for a rude awakening.

Seattle Mariners ? The Mariners are having a season like the Reds did   in 1999, where they are absolutely lapping the field in fewest hits per balls   in play for a pitching staff, with a rate of .262 compared to .293 for the rest   of the league (next closest are the Twins at .281). This translates to an extra   85 hits or so prevented above an average team. Now some of this is undoubtedly   due to a very nice defense by the Mariners as guys like Suzuki, Cameron and   Olerud can really throw some leather. But another factor is that since Safeco   Field has opened, it has depressed this stat more than any other stat. So the   huge lead is mostly a factor of fine defense and a park effect, but I can?t   help but think they?ve probably been a bit lucky as well. A few extra ?at ?em?   balls here and there and the stat will drop some. Nevertheless, this isn?t the   only thing keeping the Mariners in first place; they?re a good team.

Cleveland Indians ? The Indians continue to be regarded as an excellent   defensive team, but at some point that needs to show up in the stats. Like last   year, the Indians are once again near the bottom at giving up hits on balls   in play with a very high .311 figure. There may be park issues here, but you   do have to wonder whether guys like Alomar, Vizquel and Lofton are earning those   defensive reps they have. Unlike the Mariners, the difference between the Indians   and the Twins in this stat is more than enough to put the the Indians comfortably   ahead of the Twins in the AL Central.

Voros McCracken Posted: July 30, 2001 at 06:00 AM | 4 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Tangotiger Posted: July 30, 2001 at 12:10 AM (#604033)
Voros,

How about breaking down the team and pitcher DIPS by home/away? You make allusions to this in your article, and so it is only fair that you publish the data as well.
2. Voros McCracken Posted: July 30, 2001 at 12:10 AM (#604040)
Brian,

I've checked and double checked and that looks like the right forumla to me. In case you misread it, just make sure that it is the entirety of the first line divided by the entirety of the second line. Pedro should come out to 1.68.

If you still have trouble, e-mail me privately and I'll figure out how it got screwed up. I keep reading it and it _looks_ right to me the way it's written on the page. (No Homers don't belong in the denominator. Believe it or not the denominator should look something like IP when you're done with it. If it doesn't, that's probably where the problem is).
3. Voros McCracken Posted: July 31, 2001 at 12:10 AM (#604052)
Crap.

In the denominator:

(K*.244) == (HR*.244)
(BB*.097) == (K*.097)

Many apologies.
4. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: July 25, 2003 at 02:30 AM (#612336)
A repost from another thread on Primer, a post by Voros:

Posted 11:25 p.m., August 13, 2002 (#15) - Voros McCracken

One last thing. I've posted this before, but people keep asking, so here's the "quick" DIPS ERA formula that works okay for in-season use:

((IP * 2.35) + (H * .805) + (HR * 10.76) + (BB * 2.76) - (SO * 1.53))

divided by

((IP * .712) + (H * .244) + (SO * .096) - (HR * .244))

So to do a sample calculation with Damian Moss

IP = 127.3
H = 86
HR = 12
BB = 66
SO = 82

(127.3 * 2.35) + (86 * .805) + (12 * 10.76) + (66 * 2.76) - (82 * 1.53) =

299.155 + 69.23 + 129.12 + 182.16 - 125.46 = 554.205

divide that by

(127.3 * .712) + (86 * .244) + (82 * .096) - (12 * .244) =

90.6376 + 20.984 + 7.872 - 2.928 = 116.5656

So 554.205/116.5656 = 4.75.

And that's his "quick" DIPS ERA.

I could explain where all of these seemingly "out of nowhere" numbers really come from, but I suspect precious few people care. Those that _really_ do can e-mail me and I'll explain it.

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