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Tuesday, August 04, 2009

SABR39 Wrap (with pictures!)

Well, indrectly with pictures, anyway.

You’ve read all about the most important things that happened at SABR39, so I think I’ll just add a handful of personal comments:

1. I missed all of the Primate presentations (not intentionally - other things got in the way) except for Anthony Giacolone’s on how the Great Depression affected 60s baseball. Anthony did his usual excellent job of presenting something that focused more on the social/historical context than it did on the game itself. I heard a couple off-the-cuff discussions from non-BTFers over the weekend that indicated that at least some people got it.

2. BTF was directly responsibie for the presence three of first-time attendees (Larry Mahnken, Josh Heit, and AJM) under the age of 35. I doubt that anyone else can match that.

3. After my own presentation, I had a young fellow (must have been about 12 or so) asking me a lot of questions about whether managers had pushed the usage of relievers too far and whether they’d come back in the opposite direction. I think this young fellow is somehow related to Eric Van - I saw him in Eric’s company a couple of times over the weekend. He reminded mke of me when I was that age - or what I might have been had I grown up in the computer age.

4. Overall, I think this was the best group of presentations in the six conventions I attended. Yes, there were a few clinkers here and there, but the breadth and depth was quite good overall.

5. I didn’t see the winning presentation (21*, by Tim Herlich, which was about Tom Cheney’s 21-K game against the Orioles in 1962), but I don’t see how it could possibly have been better than Geri Strecker’s masterpiece about Greenlee Field in Pittsburgh, which included previously unseen photos of the ballpark that she uncovered while reviewing the architect’s file for the housing project that replaced it.

6. The posters were, on the other hand, mostly disappointing. The winning poster, by a HS senior named Susan Ballentine, was very slickly done but had a lot (and I mean a LOT) of very dense math.

7. The guys (and gals, lest you think I forgot you, Stacy and Andrea) were, as usual, the best part of the convention. What I enjoy most is that we can have passionate conversations, disagree about as strongly as we possibly can (you should have heard Dimino on the subject of the Phillies trading for Cliff Lee instead of Roy Halliday) and still come away ready to do it all again the next night - and we have each other’s back when it’s needed.

8. This was the best organized convention I’ve attended. Things moved along very well; I never felt like the organizers were scrambling to keep everything on schedule.

9. The only downside was that the hotel bar was too small, and there were not too many other places that could handle us close to the hotel. (This is not a complaint, mind you - we didn’t have a lot of trouble finding places to congregate - but it did limit to some extent our contact with other SABRen).

It was a great week. Now to make sure that the Atlanta convention is NOT held until after the 4th of July weekend so that I can go next year…

Mike Emeigh Posted: August 04, 2009 at 01:20 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Neal Traven Posted: August 04, 2009 at 05:14 AM (#3279272)
Mike, if the information on which the Atlanta decision was made last year is to be believed, you're definitely in luck. We were shown a list of three hotels. All three had openings on July 28-August 1 (IOW, equivalent to this year), and one of them also had July 7-11 and July 21-25. At that time, none of them had availabilities in June. I don't know whether that list has expanded or contracted in the interim.
   2. Neal Traven Posted: August 04, 2009 at 05:18 AM (#3279276)
Is there a reason that I'm in bright, bright light in photo 7, while Tony, Mike, and Ben are in the shadows?
   3. Steve Treder Posted: August 04, 2009 at 05:20 AM (#3279279)
Is there a reason that I'm in bright, bright light in photo 7, while Tony, Mike, and Ben are in the shadows?

Angelic aura.

Duh.
   4. Neal Traven Posted: August 04, 2009 at 05:43 AM (#3279287)
But I'd already surrendered by spot on the SABR Board by then. I'm a mere mortal now.
   5. Neal Traven Posted: August 04, 2009 at 05:43 AM (#3279288)
And "my" spot too.
   6. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: August 04, 2009 at 05:52 AM (#3279295)
Well, in that case I suppose the Target bag was radioactive.

8. This was the best organized convention I’ve attended. Things moved along very well; I never felt like the organizers were scrambling to keep everything on schedule.

Whoever had the bright idea to give the room monitors those big, yellow "10" "5" and "1" minute signs earned a gold star. They worked very well.

It was very well organized, but with the bus issue I can't quite say it was the best organized.

4. Overall, I think this was the best group of presentations in the six conventions I attended. Yes, there were a few clinkers here and there, but the breadth and depth was quite good overall.

And this was the first convention in years where you missed my talk. . . Hmmmmmmmm .. . .

By and large they were very good presentations. I think Toronto had the most quality per presentation, but it's not quite a fair comparison. There were only about three dozen presentations in Toronto. There were 42 here. (Similarly, I saw 18 this year, whereas I normally only see around a dozen, so my perspective is skewed). I got quite a bit from 13 of the 18 I attended, and only had one completely flop for me. That's pretty good.
   7. Neal Traven Posted: August 04, 2009 at 06:40 AM (#3279315)
The minute signs were completely the local committee's idea. Probably Dave Raglin.

According to my records, here are the oral presentation counts for all but one convention since Boston (I wasn't directly involved with presentations in Denver) -- Boston (2002) 41, Cincinnati (2004) 33, Toronto (2005) 35, Seattle (2006) 47, St. Louis (2007) 36, Cleveland (2008) 36, Washington (2009) 42.

I agree with Mike that overall presentation quality was great this year.
   8. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 04, 2009 at 10:15 AM (#3279334)
I ain't never gonna get in no eatin' contest with them guys!
   9. fra paolo Posted: August 04, 2009 at 12:21 PM (#3279351)
The posters were, on the other hand, mostly disappointing. The winning poster, by a HS senior named Susan Ballentine, was very slickly done but had a lot (and I mean a LOT) of very dense math.

A slickly done poster can score 30% of the maximum score simply by being slickly done. If it's only average in the other categories, it's still going to score highly overall.

From an historical research point of view, the best presentation might have been the one that assembled baseball-game scores from 1845 to 1860 out of what was published in newspapers. Not only was that hard work, but it genuinely extends our knowledge of baseball.* The one about the influence of transportation costs on cities becoming part of the National League in the 1870s was also very stimulating.

However, in contrast with Ballentine's attractive, all-on-one-board poster, both of these were pieces of paper pinned up in a not-necessarily-apparent sequence. The railroads one was actually a bit more than pieces of paper, including railroad maps and some charts, but the 1845-1860 board didn't even go that far. You can't really award a high score in the presentation category, so they have to be very good in the other categories in order to beat something that looked as good as Ballentine's.

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*IIRC, the guy is planning to donate his database to Retrosheet, or may have already done so, but I don't see a link from the front page.
   10. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 04, 2009 at 12:32 PM (#3279356)
Here you go, fp.
   11. Craig in MN Posted: August 04, 2009 at 06:24 PM (#3279846)
After looking at picture #10, I wonder if any primate owns a pair of long pants. I guess Smitty's crusade has been successful.
   12. AJM Posted: August 04, 2009 at 06:38 PM (#3279877)
It was 95 degrees, no need for long pants.
   13. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 04, 2009 at 08:03 PM (#3280042)
Dial owes me a couple of pictures, FWIW. He wasn't in any of mine.

-- MWE
   14. I Am Not a Number Posted: August 04, 2009 at 08:12 PM (#3280060)
SABR39 taking place in Washington probably explains why Jack Bauer is in photo #7. I guess the cure worked.
   15. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 04, 2009 at 08:32 PM (#3280090)
Is there a reason that I'm in bright, bright light in photo 7, while Tony, Mike, and Ben are in the shadows?


No particular reason. I'm not the greatest camera operator in the world.

SABR39 taking place in Washington probably explains why Jack Bauer is in photo #7.


Heh. That's not the first time Giacolone's been compared to Kiefer Sutherland, and it won't be the last.

-- MWE
   16. AJM Posted: August 04, 2009 at 08:46 PM (#3280101)
SABR39 taking place in Washington probably explains why Jack Bauer is in photo #7.

Dial thought Giacolone wearing an Eddie Bauer shirt was the greatest thing ever.
   17. jwb Posted: August 05, 2009 at 07:19 AM (#3280929)
But I'd already surrendered by spot on the SABR Board by then. I'm a mere mortal now.
The Department of Angelic Aura is a little behind on their paperwork. Staff vacations and all. Please allow 30 days for a change in your Angelic Aura status, etc.

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