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Monday, June 18, 2018

A Pleasant Trip So Far

The Sox have had a nice little road trip so far notching a 5-2 record and washing the taste of the disappointing homestand out of their collective mouths.  What I think is encouraging is how they have gotten here.  Returning star Mookie Betts has not yet hit his stride hitting just .200/.286/.320 and Ace Chris Sale only started one of the seven games.  I think there are a few things of note both up and down that probably deserve some recognition;

- If this is “all” Eduardo Rodriguez is I think we should probably be satisfied.  Developing starting pitchers is hard as the Sox have demonstrated at great length over the last oh let’s say century or so.  With 79 MLB starts under his belt at the age of 25 EdRod has room to continue improve so I am not saying he will never get better.  At the same time he is establishing himself as a good if somewhat exasperating pitcher.  He is more than a few shades of Daisuke Matsuzaka with maddeningly high pitch counts but also pitches well while he is out there.  Maybe he never becomes an ace but his career 108 ERA+ is awfully valuable and should not be dismissed in terms of importance.

- Complaining about the 25th man on the roster is silly.  I recall a lot of the complaints about Doug Mirabelli in the mid-naughties and thinking it was nonsense and in reality it was and is.  That said I think we are rapidly approaching the point where pretending Blake Swihart is worth having around is a waste of energy.  Whether you think he was never that good or you think that the Sox handled him poorly is no longer relevant.  What is relevant is that he provides no offense and is not good enough defensively anywhere.  Right now his presence on the roster doesn’t seem to be a drain but I can’t help but think that Tzu-Wei Lin is a guy who is a superior player.

- Not MLB news but the Sox got some signings done from the draft including first rounder Triston Casas (who has been assigned to Fort Myers) and third rounder Durbin Feltman (Lowell).  Feltman is the reliever that some believe has a chance to contribute in 2018.  Cue Craig Hansen comparisons (and that worked out).  While it would be great if Feltman could step up and be an immediate contributor he is only 21 years old so he’s not a guy who has to be rushed to contribute over a series of years.  For those of us local to the area it is worth noting that the Lowell Spinners have started their season so if you are looking for a cheap date, head over to LaLacheur Park.  I’ve never gone and been disappointed.

- Steven Wright took the loss Friday night (the bum!) but he turned in another gem.  The dude is rolling right now.  When I talked about “how they got here” Wright was one of the guys I was thinking of.  The Sox obviously benefit mightily from the money they can spend but they have a few players on the roster that were picked off the scrap heap; Wright, Sandy Leon, Hector Velazquez, who have proven to be valuable contributors. 

- This “Xander Bogaerts - Slugger” thing is pretty nifty if you ask me.  Hitting coach Tim Hyers deserves a ton of credit (presumably) for getting Bogaerts to reclaim the power he displayed in the minors.  It was an odd transition from the minor league player who looked like a potential slugger to a punch and judy hitter in the Majors.  This is the first year where I feel like the player I saw in Portland all those years ago is now the player I see in Boston.  It is amazing to think he is still just 25.  The Sox are also seeing some improvement from Rafael Devers over the last couple of weeks.  He looked lost in Houston (he wouldn’t be the first hitter to look lost against that staff) but since then he has hit .294/.321/.490 and has cut down the strikeouts dramatically.  A lineup that has Devers producing really gets lengthened.

- With that bit of positivity aside I think Dave Dombrowski has to be looking at infielders who may be able to contribute.  Eduardo Nunez is really struggling and being able to give Devers the odd day off is probably not a bad plan.  As for Dustin Pedroia right now I’m in the mental place of not expecting anything from him.  It’s a bit painful because like a lot of Sox fans he is one of my all time favorites but of course Father Time is undefeated and the reports on Pedroia seem like the kind of reports that don’t end with “and he came back and hit .300 the rest of the way.”  This gets back to my earlier commentary on Lin.  I think the Sox would do well to get a look at him and decide if he can be good enough to be the 25th man or is better suited as a ‘in case of emergency break glass” type that he has been so far.

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   1. SandyRiver Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5694362)
And it easily could've been 6-1. Barnes has been more consistent the past month than his early season Jekyll-Hyde act, so I hope Friday's stinker isn't a return to more of the bad, just the occasional (and, one hopes, uncommon) bullpen failure.
   2. Textbook Editor Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5694670)
Swihart's out of options so I guess the phantom injury is the only way to hang on to him, as he'd almost certainly get claimed by someone if put on waivers.

And yeah, Pedroia's continued problems has the feel of a lost season, tbh. I hope I'm wrong.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5694685)
Swihart has the feel of a little kid who hides a toy he doesn't really like simply so no other little kids can come and play with it. If Swihart gets claimed, and you're right he almost certainly would, then produces that is going to have the feel of a lost opportunity. But is there any reason at this point to think he's going to bring anything to the Sox? Trade him to San Diego for a PTBNL or cash if you're afraid he'll go to New York or Houston and move on. I love the guy, I think we blew it with him as badly as the organization has blown it with any player in recent memory but move along.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5694707)
You know things are bleak when Swihart has lost Jose.

   5. Bad Fish Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:34 PM (#5694717)
I think Swihart has potential, but they need to give him a reasonable change, something he hasn't received. As things sit he isn't going to get his chances and I agree that Lin is the better option, and maybe has the most up-side. I kind of think when we let him go it will be a Travis Shaw replay.
   6. villageidiom Posted: June 18, 2018 at 08:32 PM (#5694804)
I think Swihart has potential, but they need to give him a reasonable change, something he hasn't received.
Redundancy is good in a roster, and having someone who can hit well even if he doesn't really have a position to play is not a bad thing. If JDM were hurt or something, and you needed an everyday DH who can spell someone in the field every now and then, hey, great, there he is. But JDM is hitting great, and healthy, meanwhile Swihart is not even close to being relevant. Pedroia on one leg would probably be a better hitter, knocking the ball into left field and hopping his way to a double. There is no position Swihart can play where you would want him even to share time with the incumbent. His use as catcher for the Jalen Beeks start was either a sly attempt to give Beeks a MLB start but sour teams on Beeks' potential, or a reflection that nobody in the regular rotation wants Swihart as their catcher. He is a man without a country.

Having said all that, Swihart only has value if he hits, and he can't bench his way out of a slump. He's not going to get a chance with Boston, so if roster spot #25 is important to them, they need to trade him to a team where he can play every day. The only argument in his favor in a trade is that he's not producing because he hasn't had a reasonable chance, and if he goes to a team that gives him that chance he will produce. Boston can't demand that someone meet that potential value in trade; they're an easy mark, with a roster spot choked by someone who will not amount to anything in that spot. A team can get him for nothing, if Boston wants to trade him.

All of that was contingent on roster spot #25 being important to them. It's not. The continuing incapability of E-Nunez is a bigger issue.
   7. SandyRiver Posted: June 19, 2018 at 08:30 AM (#5694993)
I like the PTBNL idea in #3 - find some NL team likely to give Swihart significant opportunity, and if he blossoms the Sox' regret would be tempered by getting something more useful than they would in a straight-up trade/sale.
   8. villageidiom Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5695277)
Non sequitur, but... mrsidiom and I went to the game on Wednesday. Damn that's still a great place to see a game. I joked that Mookie needed to hit some HRs to start catching up to JDM, to make up for lost time. Sure enough, he did. And then Martinez hit one a few innings later. Heh.

Our usher was a woman who'd just retired from her career last year, and didn't know what to do with her time. The usher job popped up, and she thought it was a dream come true. Mostly that's what it has been, but it hasn't really gotten hot down there yet.

I hope it continues to be a dream come true. Because, otherwise, she's volunteered to watch the Orioles on a regular basis.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5695298)
That sounds like a fun day at the ballpark.
   10. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: June 20, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5696353)
Anybody hear any rumors about Hanley Ramirez? Something off the field? Felger & Mazz were saying there are rumors out there that were 'big, if true.' Don't know if it was a work.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 20, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5696370)
I haven't. Is this "the Sox are going to re-sign him" (please no) or is this "Hanley is the worstest person that ever worsted" which wouldn't surprise me and is also not something I particularly care about.
   12. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: June 20, 2018 at 05:26 PM (#5696501)
Something happened off the field that is awful and known well enough that other teams are hesitant to pick him up is all could get from what they were saying. Seemed to be a specific incident and went beyond the typical Hohler hit piece.
   13. John DiFool2 Posted: June 20, 2018 at 08:17 PM (#5696575)
Sure wish the other guys would give Chris Sale a little bit more help, once in awhile, if it isn't too much trouble. Only 6-4 given his performance so far (and 8-8 in his starts overall) is utterly preposterous.
   14. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5696714)
Hmmm, your pleasant trip has hit some bumps in the road over in the twin cities. Batsman have forgot how to score and pen continues to leak a run here and there to make the game out of reach as the late innings approach.
   15. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:32 PM (#5696732)
Hmmm, your pleasant trip has hit some bumps in the road over in the twin cities. Batsman have forgot how to score and pen continues to leak a run here and there to make the game out of reach as the late innings approach.
   16. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5696733)
I'm so upset I posted my whinging twice!
   17. Chip Posted: June 21, 2018 at 01:23 AM (#5696768)
I was at this game - turned out it was as cheap for us to stop in Minneapolis on a return trip from visiting family as to fly straight through, so we decided to add another park to our list - and my takeaway is that I’m really over the David Price, 2-strike failure act. Especially against shitty hitters with sub .300 OBPs whi haven’t even shown much power.

Then there’s getting shut down on offense by Lance Lynn’s mediocrity. The ####### guy was at a 50-50 ball/stroke ratio all night! Yeesh.
   18. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 21, 2018 at 08:12 AM (#5696793)
50-50 ball/stroke ratio


Hey hey, let's keep it clean this is a family site.

Just didn't hit in the clutch last night. 0 for 9 with RISP and the Brock Holt base running blunder kind of annoyed. As for Price I can't complain. Dude has been rolling. Yeah the homer was annoying but 6 IP, 3 runs is his worst outing in two months. Basically since skipping the start in New York he's been excellent.
   19. karlmagnus Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5696811)
Presumably the off-field stuff about Hanley is one of those "he assaulted the 62 year old cloakroom attendant" stories like they made up for Manny before he left. That kind of sliming would explain Hanley's sudden drop-off at the plate with the 0 for 21 just before they released him.

Since the Yawkey Way nonsense I don't trust a damn thing the Henry management does at the Sox. This team needs a complete clean-out, top to bottom, and I don't mean the players, who are fine, albeit lacking Hanley's considerable ability.
   20. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:15 AM (#5696814)
Since the Yawkey Way nonsense I don't trust a damn thing the Henry management does at the Sox.


Wait, up until now you've been giving them the benefit of the doubt?
   21. karlmagnus Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5696844)
I didn't like Theo, and I hated the way they ditched Duquette but I liked Cherington well enough, and liked his slow-build, strong farm approach to building a dynasty. Dombrowski has cannibalized all Cherington's work for cheap quick thrills -- sort of a parody of modern American management's failings. Does he have stock options?
   22. villageidiom Posted: June 21, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5697196)
Presumably the off-field stuff about Hanley is one of those "he assaulted the 62 year old cloakroom attendant" stories like they made up for Manny before he left.
So what you're saying is the off-field stuff about Hanley is true and horrible? Because the Manny story was true and horrible. Even according to Manny it was true and horrible.
   23. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 21, 2018 at 04:40 PM (#5697213)
I'll take the 6-4 trip. A bit of a bummer in Minnesota but that's a nice little journey. The Sox have now played nearly half their road schedule (39 games) and are done with the West Coast for 2018 (until we go to LA for the World Series).

Petty side note, I checked in on the Omnichatter today and it made me so happy. Man the Yankee fans there are obsessed with the Sox. It's great. This must have been what it was like in reverse pre-2004. Someone was even suggesting the Sox should be scoreboard watching. Seriously? June 21 and you want to scoreboard watch? Man I'll just worry about my team (which is very good) and let it all just kind of happen. Scoreboard watching is for September (unless you're Dave O'Brien who is scoreboard watching by mid-April).
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 21, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5697229)
High-minded reminder, games in June count the same as those in September.
   25. Chip Posted: June 21, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5697326)
One additional reminder: trolling has been confirmed by research as a contributing factor in a number of chronic long-term conditions, including high blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, hair loss, and erectile dysfunction.
   26. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:05 PM (#5697432)
Of course the wins count. At the end of the year the Sox and Yanks are both going to be between 100 and 110 wins. Worrying about the other guy in June seems like foolishness. I mean I’m insane but I’m not that insane.
   27. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:47 PM (#5697486)
The Wild Card is really sucking the drama out of the AL East race. Two great teams with resources to spare could have made the 2018 race really interesting, like nothing else in sports. Instead they're both setting up their rotations for October right now.
   28. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 21, 2018 at 10:29 PM (#5697555)
Of course the wins count. At the end of the year the Sox and Yanks are both going to be between 100 and 110 wins. Worrying about the other guy in June seems like foolishness. I mean I’m insane but I’m not that insane.

Don't sell yourself short here. The failure to enjoy a good pennant race might be an indication that a baseball fan is suffering from some type of madness. Sure, the Wildcard provides enough of a consolation prize that it isn't quite like the old days, but under the current system there are strong incentives to avoid what is essentially a play-in game to make the real playoffs. No one wants to risk facing another team's ace on normal rest just to qualify for the actual playoffs.

Much of MLB's appeal comes from how it fits into the rhythms of daily life. From the obsessives to those just checking the box scores, keeping up with your team has never been easier, and having the games mean something heightens the interest/enjoyment for many. Now if pennant races mostly turn out badly, maybe they aren't as enjoyable for some in the end. But even over at the Self-Immolation Thread, the masochists seem to be enjoying themselves in their own weird way.
   29. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5697572)
Of course the day to Day is fun, but I worry about it from the Sox perspective. What the Yankees are doing? Meh. I mean I’d rather they lose than win but they are very good so rather than getting worked up I’m going to enjoy my team.
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 21, 2018 at 11:09 PM (#5697596)
What the Yankees are doing? Meh.

Now I'm worried that Jose may be paying so little attention to events in the Bronx that he missed that his favorite Yankee, Clint Frazier, was recalled due to Brett Gardner's sore knee, and has been quite impressive over the last 4 games. At .368/.478/.474 in two short stints with the big club this season. Some talk that he could stick around a while this time, even though Gardner is A-OK again, although the roster is tight.

Maybe he's too modest to care, but I am anxiously anticipating the fulfillment of Jose's Prophecy - that Frazier would be the best of all the Baby Bombers - and certainly hope Jose will be equally pleased if he got this one right. Don't worry, I'll keep you posted.
   31. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 21, 2018 at 11:32 PM (#5697611)
Don't worry, I'll keep you posted.


We look forward to it! You and your fellow Yankees followers are more then welcome to come and soil our pristine space here at Sox Therapy any time. We already have to put up with Karl's mad ramblings, so what's a few more to manage.

Just keep that annoying AT-T poster away, that cat has some serious issues.
   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 21, 2018 at 11:44 PM (#5697618)
Just keep that annoying AT-T poster away, that cat has some serious issues.

I think his schtick is intended as humor, even if much of it is incomprehensible.
   33. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: June 22, 2018 at 01:00 AM (#5697636)
Michael Kay gives us the Red Sox scores solemnly when setting the stakes in the broadcast. Every game. "They could pick up a game on the Sox!"

I frankly don't care. It's June. I'll care about the out-of-town scoreboard in September. I look at the standings every two weeks or so just to see who's good and who's bad this year. But scoreboard watching? It's too damned early. My team controls its own destiny.
   34. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:16 AM (#5697653)
I frankly don't care. It's June. I'll care about the out-of-town scoreboard in September. I look at the standings every two weeks or so just to see who's good and who's bad this year. But scoreboard watching? It's too damned early. My team controls its own destiny.


This guy gets it. Dave O'Brien does the same thing as Kay and man, enough. Just enjoy your team. I mean hey, if scoreboard watching is your bag have at it. I just would hate to not enjoy a Sox win because the Yankees happened to win.

I saw that Frazier got called up. Judge has kept it going more than I expected so at this point I won't expect Frazier to be better than that but I still think Frazier is going to be very good. Dude just has some ridiculous athleticism.
   35. Morton's Fork Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:20 AM (#5697654)
This may well be a season for the ages, and I hope so, but the order of the 1900's has been overturned. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Yankees now chase the Sox. They know it.

We fans should enjoy and take pride in being the better team without being dicks about it. You know, set an example. Let's do.

   36. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:29 AM (#5697658)
Michael Kay gives us the Red Sox scores solemnly when setting the stakes in the broadcast. Every game. "They could pick up a game on the Sox!"

I frankly don't care. It's June. I'll care about the out-of-town scoreboard in September. I look at the standings every two weeks or so just to see who's good and who's bad this year. But scoreboard watching? It's too damned early. My team controls its own destiny.


True, but it's a lot easier for a team to control its destiny in a best 3-of-5 than it is in a one game shootout with the second wild card team's ace. Michael Kay knows this, as should everyone else with a rooting interest in the outcome.
   37. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:33 AM (#5697659)
This may well be a season for the ages, and I hope so, but the order of the 1900's has been overturned. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Yankees now chase the Sox. They know it.

And the Sox are now chasing the Yankees. But the closer reading of reality is that they're both chasing the mechanical rabbit in front of them, a rabbit which never seems to let up.

We fans should enjoy and take pride in being the better team without being dicks about it. You know, set an example. Let's do.

I agree, although I think that the idea of a "better team" is too much of a pythagorean concept, one that's fun to argue about but in the long run doesn't mean all that much unless you cop those rings.
   38. Nasty Nate Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5697689)
My team controls its own destiny.
To the extent that it's true, that phrase is hollow and trite when it comes to baseball's regular season.
   39. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 22, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5697942)
Judge has kept it going more than I expected so at this point I won't expect Frazier to be better than that but I still think Frazier is going to be very good. Dude just has some ridiculous athleticism.

Well, this is certainly disappointing news. I was almost ready to form a cult based on Jose's Prophecy. Oh well, I guess Yankee fans may have to live with having many excellent players who aren't as good as Aaron Judge. In any event, whether Frazier can force his way into the line-up seems to be the last aspect of this year's position player puzzle, barring injuries. Hope you get to see him in action.
   40. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 22, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5697990)
It's been a tough week. First Swihart, now Frazier.
   41. SandyRiver Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5698141)
This may well be a season for the ages, and I hope so, but the order of the 1900's has been overturned. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Yankees now chase the Sox. They know it.

I'd like to see something like Yankees-Tigers 1961, only for the whole season. That year each team fit into Jose's 100-110 wins and soon were way ahead of anyone else. At the end of each month April thru August the two teams were within 2 games of each other (larger spreads at times within some months.) Tigers were leading most days thru early July, though once they fell behind they stayed there. August began with NY up 1.5, and DET played .710 ball that month. Unfortunately for them, the Yankees had the exact same record. Drama was dead before Sept was 10 days old, as DET started the month losing 3 at YS and continued to drop 5 more before a modest turnaround. Meanwhile NY ran off 10 more wins after that sweep, and the pennant was no longer in question.
   42. karlmagnus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:15 PM (#5698178)
Every single time this team under Henry management loses somebody the fans like, they slime them. This Twitter stuff on Hanley is, I presume, more of the same, only updated for the modern era.

I have no knowledge whatever of Hanley's private life, but doubt the more lurid allegations are true. If they're not, I hope he sues Henry for a couple of billion.
   43. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:38 PM (#5698206)
Michelle McPhee is a crime writer and what she is claiming isn't something that gets thrown out there or somehow exaggerated beyond recognition.
   44. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:44 PM (#5698210)
If the allegations aren’t true (and I hope they aren’t) and Henry or the Sox did this then yeah I hope he sues too. As Mitch notes, this isn’t some baseball reporter, this is a genuinely good crime writer (she broke the Aaron Hernandez story apparently).

And of course as has been noted many times, this isn’t the Henry group, this has been the local M.O. as long as I can remember. The Harrington team did it (Mo got roasted, Clemens too) and the Yawkey group did too (Bill Lee notably just sticking to my lifetime).
   45. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:23 PM (#5698222)
True, but it's a lot easier for a team to control its destiny in a best 3-of-5 than it is in a one game shootout with the second wild card team's ace. Michael Kay knows this, as should everyone else with a rooting interest in the outcome.


This is a valid point - in good time. You don't get to have Christmas two months early, just because you wanna.
   46. karlmagnus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:29 PM (#5698229)
Jose, "Clemens is finished" isn't quite the same thing as this, or the Manny accusation. I grant you the Clemens remark turned out to be untrue, to what extent due to steroids we will never know. But Clemens was a great pitcher, and they were foolish to lose him.

In an ideal world, they would admit their error and take Hanley back for the ML minimum (on top of what they already owe him.) Without him, they are barely playing .500 ball. But I don't suppose they will.
   47. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:30 PM (#5698280)
Just noticed Elias was traded to the Ms, anyone have input on that transaction? The guy the Sox got any good? His numbers look decent, but he's an older minor league guy.

Sorry to detract from the salacious Hanley rumors...
   48. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:53 PM (#5698286)
Jacksone - The Sox got some minor leaguer who has raked, Eric Filia I think is his name. He’s hit but I think he’s got some kind of sketchy background stuff.

Karl - Do you really think the Sox just made up a rumor? I mean c’mon man, you’re not a complete moron.
   49. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:56 PM (#5698287)
Jacksone - Looks like it’s a drug of abuse suspension. He hasn’t played for the Sox yet but the suspension is over. Not sure what’s up with that. I suspect he’s a non-entity. A quick look says he’s a guywithout a position type hitter.
   50. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:40 PM (#5698305)
I suspect he’s a non-entity. A quick look says he’s a guywithout a position type hitter.


Thanks Jose, figured something was wrong if the Sox got him for just Elias. And on a side note, I left the ESPN gamecast up for a while in my browser after the game, and when I came back it had turned to football clips...for ##### sake, I LIKE football, I am an Eagles fan for ####'s sake, but damn, I just do not need to see fantasy football #### in the gamecast window less than an hour after a ####### JUNE baseball game. OK, rant over, sorry. Glad DOB let me know throughout the game that the Yanks were losing. I am loving the Sox winning, but I will be slightly cranky if they win 100+ and end up with the WC because of the should-have-collapsed-2-years-ago-Yankees.
   51. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5698339)
This may well be a season for the ages, and I hope so, but the order of the 1900's has been overturned. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Yankees now chase the Sox. They know it.

I'd like to see something like Yankees-Tigers 1961, only for the whole season. That year each team fit into Jose's 100-110 wins and soon were way ahead of anyone else. At the end of each month April thru August the two teams were within 2 games of each other (larger spreads at times within some months.) Tigers were leading most days thru early July, though once they fell behind they stayed there. August began with NY up 1.5, and DET played .710 ball that month. Unfortunately for them, the Yankees had the exact same record. Drama was dead before Sept was 10 days old, as DET started the month losing 3 at YS and continued to drop 5 more before a modest turnaround. Meanwhile NY ran off 10 more wins after that sweep, and the pennant was no longer in question.

1961's pennant race was a lot like 1960's, only 1960's involved 3 teams and lasted 2 weeks longer. On the morning of Friday, September 16, the Orioles and the Yankees were tied for 1st and the White Sox were 2 GB. But then the Yankees swept a 4 game series with the Orioles over the weekend, and finished the season with a 15 game winning streak that wound them up 8 ahead of the O's and 10 ahead of the White Sox.

Of course there was one big difference: None of those teams won 100 games, but that was only because the 1960 season was 8 games shorter. Over 162 games the Yankees would've won 102 games rather than 97.
   52. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: June 23, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5698446)
Without him, they are barely playing .500 ball.


They've gone 12-9 without him, with most of that on the road. That's .571. You're nuts.
   53. Darren Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5698501)
Filia failed his physical and was returned, much to my dismay. He was a perfect Petagine/Nava type to root for. The Sox took cash instead.

As for scoreboard watching, how can you not? The stakes of winning the division vs. having to go to the play-in game are huge. And it's been very frustrating to see the Sox off to an amazingly good start to only be in 2nd place.
   54. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 23, 2018 at 10:55 PM (#5698596)
Ah thanks Darren, obviously I missed that. That’s too bad, he was intriguing for the reasons you point out..
   55. John DiFool2 Posted: June 24, 2018 at 06:02 PM (#5698827)
That's much better, offense people. Do that all season and the man would finish 27-2.
   56. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 24, 2018 at 07:32 PM (#5698859)
Great great day at the ballpark today. The predicted rain held off just a couple hours which meant it was a perfectly sunny and comfortable day. One thing I noticed is that the crowds this weekend were energized. Obviously Friday was a wild one and today was Sale day but there was an energy to the ballpark that hasn’t been there in the early days of the season (as there usually isn’t).
   57. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 24, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5698861)
I’ll add that this week is a good example of why I don’t get too worked up about scoreboard watching yet. Baseball has a way of getting to the “right” results. The Yankees going 3-3 against Seattle and Tampa isn’t that shocking, how they got there is pretty surprising though. Until August and September I’m content to enjoy the Sox and see them do what they can and wait for the pennant race to get serious then. Of course if the Yanks want to lose 15 in a row I’d be cool with that but that’s not happening so I’m not going to get worked up when they win a few in a row or lose a few in a row.
   58. John DiFool2 Posted: June 24, 2018 at 09:12 PM (#5698898)
I will note that the Sox would host the WC game against Seattle, thanks to winning the season series.
   59. SoSH U at work Posted: June 24, 2018 at 09:22 PM (#5698900)

I will note that the Sox would host the WC game against Seattle, thanks to winning the season series.


Unless they finish with a worse record.
   60. John DiFool2 Posted: July 01, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5703005)
Devers may finally be figuring it out. Even before yesterday's 5/5 his avg & slg had been improving (tho he still isn't walking).

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