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1. JB H Posted: October 13, 2007 at 03:55 AM (#2574088)Lots of butterflies in my stomach for the next game. Pretty close to a coinflip as to who wins
Of course, Roenicke then went 0-7, no walks in the WS... Ortiz already is guaranteed a better follow-up.
Hmmm... B-R doesn't seem to list total postseason numbers. Or am I missing something?
In any case, games like this are very, very nice (and rare) in the postseason.
CC just didn't look right. He got lucky with Pedroia in the first and then Lowell's woefull swing on a 3-1 pitch away basically prolonged what would happened in the 3rd.
Manny look szoned in right now, I loved his at bat in the first.
Long way to go however, tomorrows game is going to be amazing!!!
The fact that it was a blowout makes it feel (to me, anyway) like the Sox went up 2-0. But really, they needed to win and should have been expected to. And it only counts once.
That said, if he can get an MRI and sign an incentive-laden deal of some sort for appearances, IP, ERA or whatever, I'd like to see the Sox try and bring him back, but I'm sure some team hard up for a closer will probably end up signing him.
That said, if he can get an MRI and sign an incentive-laden deal of some sort for appearances, IP, ERA or whatever, I'd like to see the Sox try and bring him back, but I'm sure some team hard up for a closer will probably end up signing him.
I'd rather get Brian Fuentes out of Colorado. Also, Hitoki Iwase is a must-sign for me.
also, can we please keep Manny? he's kinda insanely awesome.
Okajima is almost guarenteed to regress next season.
Judging by the Free Agents available, I'd say its a given.
I also agree with the general consensus that Gagne actually is hurt. This level of sucking for two and a half months could happen randomly, but the way he's been a mess in every single outing strongly suggests to me that there's been a real qualitative change. His inability to command his fastball or changeup has left him a pretty bad pitcher.
I mentioned this in the Game 3 thread - do you ever remember both Manny and Papi being completely locked in at the same time? It's incredible to watch. They don't look like they'll ever slow down. Of course, they're headed for 0-for-8 against Carmona, one assumes - this is baseball.
They seemed to be locked in this way virtually every time they faced the Yankees last year and before.
Pitching is one thing, but if Manny and Ortiz are the persistent offensive threats that they have been this postseason, there ain't much point in playing the games. There is no team remaining (indeed, no team I can think of in all of baseball) who can match this particular 1-2 punch when it's working.
And I agree with MC. I've never seen both Manny and Ortiz locked in soooo much as they are now.
Beckettt has simply been outstanding, a confidence-inspiring joy to watch. Wow.
That being said, Vegas is never stupid, so I wonder what the F!@# they're pulling.
Vegas is not stupid Wok. The Sox are tough at home, and Schilling is no slouch.
Don't fatigued pitchers generally lose control, rather than velocity? Because Sabathia has the latter right now, but not the former.
If Wake's shoulder is OK, and tfbg9 takes the evening off, you can expect a commanding performance in Game 4 and a win unless the offense falls completely asleep.
How can the team be certain? Wake was god awful in September. I think that if you are going to chalk up his poor starts to injury, then it would take more than two weeks of rest to recover.
i have to say that the curveballs in the dirt worried me. was that just cold fingers and bad feel, or are we gonna see blisters soon?
Longer rest? Last night he was pitching on 9 days rest. In the ALDS he had 6 days.
Beckett in game 4 after an 80 pitch outing is perfectly reasonable, and you have to think that they're at least considering it because they pulled him after 6.
BTW, is your handle a reference to a character in Bergman's Smiles of a Summer Night ?
He'll suck, BTW, because he can't settle down well-enough in big spots ever since Aaron Boone sent his spinner of a knuckler into the seats 4 years ago. Just watch.
Sox figure to be up 2-1 in games by then anyhow, most likely.
why wouldnt the redsox be favorites? carmona sucked ass last year, no telling what he will be like against the sox line-up in the playoffs. dont base one year as a determination of how good a pitcher is, you need to look at the last three and last year carmona was inconsistent. youre gonna favor an inconsistent player because he had one solid year over a team who has killed every playoff game so far? no logic what-so-ever to pick carmona over the redsox.
Carmona is pretty clearly not the same pitcher he was last year. To not give massive primacy to what he's done this season seems to be a mistake to me. Young players develop. Carmona has both the stuff, and the peripherals to be a very effective pitcher.
I'd still take the Sox, but that's not because of any doubts I have about Carmona's talent level. It's because I have some faith in Schilling, and a lot of faith in the Red Sox bats at Fenway.
His screen name is a variant of Charlemagne.
.632/.816/1.263 (2.079 OPS).
The Swedish variant?
We can't just look at this year, so we should just look at the last four games?!?!?
How have the Red Sox done in the playoffs in the last three years, 2005, 2006, and 2007?
when has a team ever won or lost championships by how they performed the year before? if that were the case the sox wouldve lost to the yankees when the sox broke the curse nor would the marlins ever won it all. talent of the here and now win championships. but that said same cant be said for a player who had a bad year followed by a good year. ankiel was a great young pitcher then fell apart. carmona could be another ankiel, he's talented but he was never a huge talent. i mean he maxed out at 76 on baseball america's top 100. thats bottom 50 where inconsistence reins supreme and he was only on it one yr the whole time in the minors.
I'm pretty sure its derivation is Germanic, tfbg9.
Um, are you aware at all of what happened to Rick Ankiel? A less predictive comp would be hard to find.
Testify, brother!
carmona is good but he is hardly better than some of the people he out preformed. he is not a top talent where you can just hand the ball and its an automatic Win.
anyways, back to the carmona statement that the sox shouldnt be favorite cause of carmona. lets see here this year schilling's post season era is lower than carmona's, schilling has more post season experience total than carmona and schilling has been more consistant in his long career in big games than carmona. the only way you could say carmona should be favored is if you based everything on 1 yr because all others say schilling should be favorite in this match-up.
add in the redsox potent line-up and their closer who can be lights out. while indians rely on who to close it out? borowski who's era in the regular season i believe was about 5.00?
so even if carmona out dueled schilling chances are it will end up a battle of the bullpens and prolly closer vs closer. redsox advantage in the end if closers involved. look at the whole picture
I tend to be happiest watching Red Sox games that don't involve Toronto so I can sit back and enjoy watching these guys mash.
An addendum: I've also loved watching Mike Lowell's resurgence; came back from cancer, part of that fun-to-watch 2003 Marlins team, was viewed as an albatross contract by the Fish and was 'forced' to go to the Red Sox if Boston wanted Beckett and responded by hitting the crap out of the ball since (although his .355/.396/.657 career line against Toronto sure makes it hard some days).
That's why I like the playoffs this year. I can just kick back and enjoy the fireworks.
I had that kinda dynamic with Pedro too. Just too much fun to watch to actively hate the guy and he earned a lot of love when pitching with Les Expos. When he was with the BoSox I wanted the Jays to win 1-0 in 10 innings (on an unearned run) with Martinez throwing a no-hitter. The Jays would score in the tenth on a passed ball strike three with one out and the batter reaches, followed by a steal of second, advancing to third on a fielder's choice and scoring an an error by the shortstop with the ball hitting the heel of his glove and dribbling into left field.
His line?
IP H R ER BB K9.2 0 1 0 0 18
Heh.
Best Regards
John
Just to be clear - are you asserting that the Red Sox have a pitching advantage in this game - not just an overall advantage?
MCoA, that 13th inning, in my view, was a total nail-biting miraculous gift from God. It was pretty shakey, and he struck a guy out on a 3-2 pitch to get out of it. But we'll say it was a spot where he didn't absolutely crumble under the pressure, sure.
But you cherry picked one of the few big spots where he came thru after the Aaron Boone HR. 8.59, 12.27, 6.75...those are the man's postseason ERA's after the HR. And he's like 1-10 with a 9.00 ERA vs the MFY's since '04. And he absolutely stunk to high heaven in the biggest start of his life, Game 1 2004 WS. He pissed his pants. Bellhorn bailed us out.
Picking two innings that things worked out OK in does not negate my larger claim that Wake is usually unreliable as all hell in big spots since 2003. There's a pattern.
And a real man would have simply broken down Apt. 707's door last night, and retrieved those tickets, Kojak-style. Hang you head, hang your head.
EDIT: let's take those ERAs.
8.59: He came in during a blowout in which the Yankee bats were insane, and saved the bullpen, but allowed 5 runs in the process. He then threw three of the hugest shutout innings in Red Sox history, which you continue to indefensibly diminish.
12.27: He sucked in that WS start, no question.
6.75: In the other two starts in that series, Matt Clement imploded and David Wells allowed 5 runs in 6.2 IP. 4 R in 5.1 IP was not good, but I didn't see an unclutch performance, just a not-very-good one against a juggernaut.
Wakefield has had all of two postseason starts since the 2003 ALCS. One was very bad, one was pretty bad. He also has a meaningless outing where he saved the bullpen, and a relief appearance of historic heroicism. Your citation of bulk numbers as if there's some huge sample of struggles is simply an incorrect insinuation.
And I hope he proves me wrong and dazzles the Indians on Teusday night, and breakes the spell.
I gave you the 2004 Game 4 ALCS innings as a feather in Wake's cap. I never said he always fails in big spots, I said he usually does nowadays. You cannot dismiss the mutiple black eyes, but I'm convinced you'll try.
The man has a 6.12 postseason ERA. That sucks.
One bad start in 2004, one not good start in 2005.
vs.
Those are pretty different assessments of his performance. The former is ridiculously underselling his performance, and the latter is closer to fair.
A 6.12 ERA is bad. 12-17 (we'll count the playoffs) vs the MFY's is bad. Nitpick that, smart guy.
karlmagnus is the German varioant of Charlemagne. Charlemagne was a consulting company I founded in '88 which survived but did not prosper. Karlmagnus became my aol screenname when I went on the net in '95, because they had a limit of 10 letters.
All my screen names are karlmagnus, all my passwords are various cats. Keep life simple, I say.
i was stating that there was no reason the sox shouldnt of been favored just cause of carmona and although the sox lost, it did go to the pen like i predicted. that just shows you that carmona is not a reason the sox shouldnt of been favored
I could second guess this game all night...
Anyway, I basically dropped in here to defend Tim Wakefield's “guts”, as it were. Just look at his starts in the 2003 ALCS and 1992 NLCS. Sure, he has failed. But I doubt it’s because he gets nervous or anything. How would we know, anyway?
Poor Mrs. Lugo.
Maybe he was hurt? Maybe that's why he was heaving in the bullpen before he went in?
Damn - wrong game!
Because we could use the workhorses to trample Gagne to death.
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