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   1. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:25 AM (#2583969)
What is there to say. 11K's 5 hits, 1ER 109 pitches, 8 inn. The guy flat out dominated. Pedroia got on 3 times, the middle order did their thing, and 6-9 well....not much as per usual.
Good stuff. Hopefully Schill can just keep us in the game for 6-7 innings.
Funnily enough, I think our chances against Carmona will come. The issue for me is if its close again and they get Betancourt in the game for 2+ innings. His stuff has been filthy so far.
   2. Artie Ziff Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:26 AM (#2583971)
Boston stole homefield back and looks primed to win the last two. It was strange watching the game on television after having the privilege of being at Jacob's Field Monday and Tuesday.
   3. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:30 AM (#2583974)
Drew put a couple nice swings on the ball at the end of this game, too.

I agree with Darren - I'm scared about Game 6, probably too optimistic about the prospects for Game 7, should it get that far. No way does Jake Westbrook shut down the Red Sox in Fenway. But I have no faith in Schilling. You hope for 3 runs in 6 innings, and it's hard to argue that'd be enough against Carmona.

The legend of Josh Beckett. Now 5-2 with a 1.79 ERA in the postseason.
   4. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:31 AM (#2583975)
Wait a minute...The ZiffBot 3000 attended a game? How does that work?
   5. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:34 AM (#2583977)
Boston stole homefield back and looks primed to win the last two. It was strange watching the game on television after having the privilege of being at Jacob's Field Monday and Tuesday.


"Stole homefield back?" They're down a game in the series. I'm quite certain the Indians would rather be where they are -- up 3 games to 2 going on the road -- than where the Sox are.
   6. Gaelan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:34 AM (#2583980)
The legend of Josh Beckett. Now 5-2 with a 1.79 ERA in the postseason.


That's in over 66 innings and includes three shutouts and only 29 hits. Beckett is a great pitcher.
   7. Nick Warino Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:35 AM (#2583981)
Watching Beckett in the postseason, it's difficult to understand how this guy isn't the best pitcher in the regular season. He has 95+ heat on 3 different types of fastballs, an unhittable curveball, a decent hard change, and excellent command. 2007 was his best season, but a 3.20 ERA still seams disappointing. His stuff this postseason is only a notch below Pedro in his prime. It's been unbelievable to watch.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:37 AM (#2583983)
if Bos can win game 6 somehow, how early does Beckett come out of the bullpen in game 7?
   9. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:41 AM (#2583985)
"if Bos can win game 6 somehow, how early does Beckett come out of the bullpen in game 7"

He won't be required. If it goes to game 7, we will win that by at least 3 runs.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:42 AM (#2583986)
sunday night or monday night, i had a dream that the red sox and indians had an on-field brawl
   11. Gaelan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:42 AM (#2583987)
Watching Beckett in the postseason, it's difficult to understand how this guy isn't the best pitcher in the regular season. He has 95+ heat on 3 different types of fastballs, an unhittable curveball, a decent hard change, and excellent command. 2007 was his best season, but a 3.20 ERA still seams disappointing.


Beckett was pretty clearly the best pitcher in the AL this year. I'd argue he was the best in the majors but that's less definitive and depends on your intepretation park factors.
   12. 1k5v3L Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:43 AM (#2583988)
#8: It worked for the Marlins in 2003 (nlcs).

I know C.C. is supposed to be the front-runner for AL Cy Young winner this year, but I saw all three of his post-season starts this year, and he's looked really lost and really fat in all of them. Certainly, he got the bad matchup against Beckett in this series, but just going on their last two head-to-head meetings, Beckett seemed like the more dominant pitcher by a mile. I think Shapiro would be smart to peddle C.C. in the off-season, btw, if he cannot get Sabathia to sign a team-favorable extension and someone makes him an offer he cannot refuse.
   13. JB H Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:48 AM (#2583992)
You guys are off about Saturday's game. The Sox are definitely favorites there. The line will be like Sox -120

Schilling hasn't looked good since 2004 but he has an ERA under 4 every year and like a 22-1 K/BB ratio.

I've had a totally irrational confidence about this series since I woke up today. Kind of like when I had no doubt in my mind that Derek Lowe and his ERA nearing 6 was going to beat the Yankees on two days rest a few years back.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:50 AM (#2583993)
#8: It worked for the Marlins in 2003 (nlcs).


yeah. somehow until this year i didnt know that he pitched 4 innings on 2 days rest after pitching 9 innings. it was the day of game 6 of Sox-Yankees so my focus was elsewhere.
   15. PJ Martinez Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:53 AM (#2583996)
"Stole homefield back?"

Yes. If the home team had won every game so far, the series would be where it stands. The Sox just have to hold serve now. (No small thing, obviously, especially with Carmona/Schilling.)
   16. JB H Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:54 AM (#2583998)
Watching Beckett in the postseason, it's difficult to understand how this guy isn't the best pitcher in the regular season. He has 95+ heat on 3 different types of fastballs, an unhittable curveball, a decent hard change, and excellent command. 2007 was his best season, but a 3.20 ERA still seams disappointing. His stuff this postseason is only a notch below Pedro in his prime. It's been unbelievable to watch.

Beckett throws like 92-94 in the regular season and probably throws his curve a bit less.

If he threw this well in the regular season he would probably tower above all the other pitchers in baseball like Santana did a couple years ago.
   17. JB H Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:56 AM (#2584001)
Watching ESPN, the Sox already tied the record for most double plays in a LCS. Only took 5 games
   18. Xander Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:56 AM (#2584003)
Josh Beckett: He's better than your best pitcher.
   19. Xander Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:57 AM (#2584004)
Beckett throws like 92-94 in the regular season and probably throws his curve a bit less.
He throws harder than that. I would be surprised if he doesn't have the hardest average fastball in the AL this season among starters. Maybe Burnett or King Felix tops him, but not by much.
   20. PJ Martinez Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:00 AM (#2584005)
"Watching ESPN, the Sox already tied the record for most double plays in a LCS."

Woulda broken it, if it weren't for that Cleveland pitcher botching the throw to second.
   21. Sam M. Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:00 AM (#2584006)
I've had a totally irrational confidence about this series since I woke up today. Kind of like when I had no doubt in my mind that Derek Lowe and his ERA nearing 6 was going to beat the Yankees on two days rest a few years back.

The Sox have won two games. Both have been with Mr. Beckett on the mound. That isn't going to happen again in this series (at least not as a starter, and probably not at all). I'd say your confidence is irrational. The Indians remain solid favorites in the series -- probably about a toss-up in Game 6 and a slight underdog in a possible Game 7.
   22. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:07 AM (#2584011)
He throws harder than that. I would be surprised if he doesn't have the hardest average fastball in the AL this season among starters. Maybe Burnett or King Felix tops him, but not by much.

Beckett: 95.74
Burnett: 96.03
King Felix: 98.08

Source: http://baseball.bornbybits.com/plots/players.html
   23. PJ Martinez Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:10 AM (#2584015)
"probably about a toss-up in Game 6 and a slight underdog in a possible Game 7"

I'm not as confident as some of the folks around here, but how does the statement above = "Indians remain solid favorites"? Something doesn't compute.

I'd say it's a toss-up all around, giving the Indians the edge since they only have to win once.
   24. Xander Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:11 AM (#2584016)
Wow, awesome site. Thanks.
   25. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:12 AM (#2584017)
I assume the concept is that .5 x .6 = .3

So the Indians have a big edge.
   26. PJ Martinez Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:13 AM (#2584019)
I don't know what those numbers mean, but I don't see how a team that's 50/50 to win one game and a "slight underdog" in the other could be "solid favorites."

But you're probably right. Math isn't my thing, obviously.
   27. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:15 AM (#2584020)
The Red Sox have a 50% chance to win the tossup. They're slight favorites in the other, so I called it 60%. That gives the Red Sox a 30% chance of winning both games, which means the Indians are big favorites to win the series. The numbers work perfectly.
   28. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:18 AM (#2584023)
Anyway, regardless, the Sox are underdogs, but the Sox are a great home team, and I thought there were quite a few good signs - from Pedroia picking himself up, to Drew putting a few good swings on the ball, to Crisp failing so miserably that Ellsbury has to get the Game 6 start, that I'm feeling pretty optimistic right now.
   29. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:22 AM (#2584024)
I'd say your confidence is irrational.


For what it's worth, so did JB H.
   30. JB H Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:23 AM (#2584025)
Beckett: 95.74
Burnett: 96.03
King Felix: 98.08

Source: http://baseball.bornbybits.com/plots/players.html

Really surprised by that. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but I hardly remember him ever hitting 96+ in the regular season. Maybe the NESN guns are different? Or maybe I'm just nuts.
   31. JB H Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:30 AM (#2584027)
Crisp failing so miserably that Ellsbury has to get the Game 6 start

Don't really see this happening. Francona seems to believe that if Coco was the best option in game 2, then a dozen crappy at bats since then isn't going to change anything. That's probably the right attitude to have.

Whether or not Coco was the best option for game 2 is debatable, but I'd tend to think he was
   32. tfbg9 Posted: October 19, 2007 at 06:08 AM (#2584036)
I don't like Ellsbury in CF at Fenway nearly as much as Coco--Coco knows where all the angles and stuff are with the walls nowadays, Ellsbury has looked bad just about every time he's had to go back on a ball near the wall. With Schilling out on the mound, we'll need any catchable ball caught.

Beckett is a joy to watch pitch. But he's such a damn redas$--WTF is he yealling at Kenny Lofton for? That was totally nuts--I know they have a history, but watching the video from 2005, I'd say Josh was full of it that time too.

I'd say the Sox will 6.5-5 favorites Saturday, 8.5-5 if they get to play to Sunday: .565 x .629= .355 by my reckoning. Home field is huge, and Carmona was pretty bad last time out.

The Sox are 12-3 in elimination games since 1999, the Tribe 1-7 in games they've had the chance to KO the other guys since 1997, IIRC, just saw this on ESPN.
   33. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 19, 2007 at 06:12 AM (#2584039)
Beckett had seriously live breaking ball tonight - most impressive.
   34. Norcan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 07:06 AM (#2584063)
Really surprised by that. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but I hardly remember him ever hitting 96+ in the regular season. Maybe the NESN guns are different? Or maybe I'm just nuts.


As the numbers indicate, he does hit 96 very often. I think I've seen him hit 92 once but that could have been a too-muscled-up changeup. Every one of his fastballs usually has prime 95 velocity, even when he struggles. No, the reason he struggles in the regular season has more to do with command of his curveball. Sometimes he doesn't have it and his fastball gets shelled.

Maybe next season will be the one he turns in a knockout year with an ERA+ of 180 or above. He's got to have one of those types of seasons within him before his career is over. Still, him getting it done in the postseason makes all that seem irrelevent right now.
   35. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 07:25 AM (#2584064)
Yeah, my recollection (totally uncodified) from watching 80 or so games on both NESN and non-NESN feeds (probably 15 or 16 Beckett starts) on Extra Innings is that I can't remember a night when Beckett wasn't consistently hitting 94-95 and occasionally touching 97-98. He has trouble occasionally locating his curve, and (rarely) overthrows the fastball to the point that it drifts, usually in the zone. To me, his stuff is a step off of Rocket or Pedro in their primes, but the real difference is location. If he could hit the corners like those men . . . well, one can only dream. And dream I will.
   36. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 19, 2007 at 07:44 AM (#2584067)
I missed the game.

Lu's water broke after the Youks home run, and the rest as they say is ...HISTORY!!!

Victoria & Eleanor are healthy as of course is Lu.

Go Sox
   37. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:09 AM (#2584070)
Congrats Phil.
   38. Mattbert Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:32 AM (#2584072)
Awesome news, Phil. Congratulations!
   39. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:46 AM (#2584073)
Thanks guys,just watched some highlights of the game now.

Becket - wow!!

Drew put a good swing on the ball in the 9th while Manny is seriously on another planet, but he can hit!!!

Youks looked great and a few breaks went our way as well - hooray!!
   40. Chip Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:50 AM (#2584075)
Congrats.

Impressive timing by the kids to make their debut on the day of a Red Sox win, too.
   41. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:25 AM (#2584082)
If Curt wins, he'll be back enxt year. If he won't, Hello Tampa Bay.

YOU GOT TWINED PHIL!!! WHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
   42. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:32 AM (#2584083)
Congrats, Phil. Put little Sox hats on them tomorrow, just for good luck. And for pictures.
   43. villageidiom Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:45 AM (#2584084)
Congrats, Phil and Lu!

(I thought you were surprisinly quiet in Chatter last night...)
   44. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 19, 2007 at 12:00 PM (#2584091)
Wow, Phil! Congratulations to you and Lu!
   45. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: October 19, 2007 at 12:02 PM (#2584093)
Breaking radio silence to congratulate the Aussies.
   46. ekogan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 12:07 PM (#2584094)
Eric Wedge cost his team the game by trotting Sabathia out to start the 7th at 106 pitches at the time. He has a deep bullpen and should have used it.
   47. A.T.F.W. Posted: October 19, 2007 at 12:15 PM (#2584096)
#46 - I'm no huge Wedge supporter, but that move didn't cost the Indians the game. They couldn't score any runs after the first inning, that is what cost them the game. Hafner is killing them right now.
   48. bunyon Posted: October 19, 2007 at 12:21 PM (#2584101)
My congrats as well, Phil. That rocks. For you, I'm glad the Sox live to play another day. I hear Theo has an offer: they've won every game in which you have a child born...there's a plan there somewhere.
   49. PJ Martinez Posted: October 19, 2007 at 12:41 PM (#2584112)
"After I lost my last start, Beckett said to me, 'You're going to have another chance to throw,' " Matsuzaka said through translator Masa Hoshino. "I replied to him, 'I would like that very much.'"

also: congratulations phil!
   50. Josh Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:14 PM (#2584140)
While it doesn't show in the box score well, Drew's walk after an 0-2 count was huge. You can't predict Beckett's continuation domination. (I wrote this elsewhere, but Tito's subbing in Drew forced Wedge to use Perez and not Bettencourt, which was an advantage to the Sox for the next 5 hitters -- Tek, Crisp, Lugo, Pedro, Youks; it turned out not to help for the first two, but it was a good move by Tito nonetheless.)
   51. Josh Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:15 PM (#2584143)
Oh, and congrats, Phil!
   52. The Original SJ Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:21 PM (#2584152)
Beckett is a joy to watch pitch. But he's such a damn redas$--WTF is he yealling at Kenny Lofton for? That was totally nuts--I know they have a history, but watching the video from 2005, I'd say Josh was full of it that time too.

I agree, and I don't understand what his problem was. Was it the bat drop? Did he feel Lofton was showing him up? He watches the Red Sox when they hit, correct? Manny and the arms?

And he said something before the Lofton incident to Rivera, the 1b coach as they were both leaving the field in the second or third. whatever inning he threw at Franklin Gutierrez's head. Now, he may just have said "I didn't mean to throw directly at his head" but I don't know.
   53. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:23 PM (#2584155)
What a day for Phil and the missus!!! Congratulations, and give the little one a goochie goochie goo for me.
   54. The Original SJ Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:25 PM (#2584161)
VMart agrees.

"We didn't say anything about Manny's reaction to his homer," Indians catcher Victor Matinez said. "I don't know what [Beckett] had to say to Kenny. He always does that. If you don't like it, what can you do?"
   55. Textbook Editor Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:32 PM (#2584170)
Congrats, Phil! The adventure begins!
   56. Flynn Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:47 PM (#2584185)
King Felix: 98.08

Are you f*cking kidding me? Wow!

And the Coorey dynasty lives on. Well done, Phil.
   57. karlmagnus Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:49 PM (#2584188)
Congratulations Phil and Lu! Once they stop waking you at 3am it actually becomes enjoyable!
   58. SoSH U at work Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:52 PM (#2584192)
And he said something before the Lofton incident to Rivera, the 1b coach as they were both leaving the field in the second or third. whatever inning he threw at Franklin Gutierrez's head. Now, he may just have said "I didn't mean to throw directly at his head" but I don't know.


I saw that too. My first inclination was he was clearing the air, but considering it was Beckett, it might have been, "Next time I'll nail the f***er."

And congrats Phil.
   59. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 19, 2007 at 01:57 PM (#2584197)
"We didn't say anything about Manny's reaction to his homer," Indians catcher Victor Matinez said.

Casey Blake had plenty to say about Manny's reaction after that game was over.

I didn't think there was any bad blood between these teams, but it sure looks like we're getting some now.

Beckett and Lofton have a history over Lofton's dropping his bat. This started in 2005. It's kind of silly for them to get in each other's grilles about it, but that's professional athletes for you.
   60. The Original SJ Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:02 PM (#2584201)
Casey Blake had plenty to say about Manny's reaction after that game was over.


I think he meant, you know, we didn't chase him down the 1b line and yell at him.
   61. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:09 PM (#2584207)
The legend of Josh Beckett. Now 5-2 with a 1.79 ERA in the postseason.
Incidentally, it's astounding he's managed to get tagged with two losses. In those games, the opposing pitchers allowed no runs (Schmidt, 2003 NLDS Game 1) and one run (Mussina and Rivera, 2003 WS Game 3).
   62. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:13 PM (#2584212)
(Mussina and Rivera, 2003 WS Game 3).

Uh...wasn't this the Jeff Weaver game? You know, the one where our manager decided that arguably the worst pitcher on the team who hadn't pitched in over 5 weeks should be brought in at a crucial juncture?
   63. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:16 PM (#2584214)
Are you f*cking kidding me? Wow!

The best part, is his sinker, which they label as a splitter, and it's average velocity of 96.78. For comparison, Wang's sinker is 94.08 and Carmona's is 94.82.
   64. The Original SJ Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:20 PM (#2584222)
Uh...wasn't this the Jeff Weaver game? You know, the one where our manager decided that arguably the worst pitcher on the team who hadn't pitched in over 5 weeks should be brought in at a crucial juncture?

How could Beckett get a loss in a game the Marlins won? No, it wasn't that game.
   65. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:21 PM (#2584225)
Uh...wasn't this the Jeff Weaver game? You know, the one where our manager decided that arguably the worst pitcher on the team who hadn't pitched in over 5 weeks should be brought in at a crucial juncture?
That was either Game 4 or 5, I'm not really inclined to go look it, since I'm still sour about that game.
   66. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:24 PM (#2584229)
That was either Game 4 or 5, I'm not really inclined to go look it, since I'm still sour about that game.

Just checked, it was Game 4, my bad.

How could Beckett get a loss in a game the Marlins won?

That's I was wondering.
   67. tfbg9 Posted: October 19, 2007 at 02:51 PM (#2584251)
Victoria & Eleanor are healthy as of course is Lu.


Wonderful news Phil! God bless! Very classy, traditional name choices, BTW. Nice.
   68. Mister High Standards Posted: October 19, 2007 at 03:33 PM (#2584305)
Good link here:

http://inside-edge.com/postseason07/alcs/prc/t2g5.htm
   69. tfbg9 Posted: October 19, 2007 at 03:41 PM (#2584315)
I'd say the Sox will 6.5-5 favorites Saturday


That's from post #32...and that's what the line is. Schilling is 6-7 tomorrow night.
   70. Gaelan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 03:42 PM (#2584317)
What was awesome about Beckett was how in control of every event he was. Sometimes a pitcher will have a good outing because the other team is just missing a lot of balls. This wasn't the case here. The Indians guys had no chance. My favourite part was when Gutierrez came up with two men on. He didn't just strike out, he went up with no prayer. It takes something special to turn Travis Hafner, a very good, sometimes great, hitter into a flailing amateur who has as much chance of getting a hit as I do.

Of course I missed the first inning so what I saw was more impressive than what really happened.
   71. Xander Posted: October 19, 2007 at 03:47 PM (#2584325)
I think you mean Cabrera, not Gutierrez.
   72. Fat Al Posted: October 19, 2007 at 03:48 PM (#2584327)
It takes something special to turn Travis Hafner, a very good, sometimes great, hitter into a flailing amateur who has as much chance of getting a hit as I do.


Wakefield did the same thing on Tuesday.
   73. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:08 PM (#2584344)
Congrats, Phil!
   74. Guapo Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:15 PM (#2584351)
Congratulations Phil! A couple of little girls wearing diapers... they'll fit in perfectly at Sox Therapy.
   75. The Original SJ Posted: October 19, 2007 at 04:18 PM (#2584353)
It takes something special to turn Travis Hafner, a very good, sometimes great, hitter into a flailing amateur who has as much chance of getting a hit as I do.

And everyone else in the league this year.
   76. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:02 PM (#2584395)
It takes something special to turn Travis Hafner, a very good, sometimes great, hitter into a flailing amateur who has as much chance of getting a hit as I do.
Hafner was really pretty bad for much of this season. Most of his value in '07 came from the fact that he drew so damn many walks. Apart from those, nobody's going to be all that intimidated by a designated hitter who slugs .451 and just barely cracks 50 extra-base hits in 152 games.

Put more simply, Hafner had a worse SLG this season than Placido Polanco.

Oh, and congratulations, Phil and Lu!
   77. Textbook Editor Posted: October 19, 2007 at 05:41 PM (#2584442)
FWIW, Sunday is likely Beckett's throw day so, in an "all hands on deck" scenario, I think he could probably give 1 inning and still start WS Game 1 on Wednesday.

I still am really hoping they DL Gagne and bring in Snyder or Tavarez for these last 2 games--if either goes extras there's a good chance Gagne may have to be used, which would cause heart attacks across New England.
   78. Christopher Linden Posted: October 19, 2007 at 06:18 PM (#2584478)
Sportsbook.com has Cleveland at +119 for Saturday & Boston at -129. Depending on one's definition of worthwhile, Bosox need about a 60-40 likelihood to make that a worthwhile go. I don't see 60-40 in Boston's favor with the 2007 versions of Schilling and Carmona.

And aren't the baseball gods ready to take full aim at Schilling?

Happy Base Ball
   79. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: October 19, 2007 at 06:23 PM (#2584485)
Beckett was pretty clearly the best pitcher in the AL this year.


Pretty clearly? Oh come on. Very arguably, yes. He was not "pretty clearly" the best pitcher in the AL by any stretch. Bedard had a better ERA+ - in less innings, yes, but his peripherals, mostly by virtue of his strikeouts, were more dominant than Beckett's. Sabathia pitched 41 more innings with an ERA+ only 2 points lower and a K/BB nearly 1 higher. John Lackey led the league in ERA+ and pitched 24 more innings than Beckett - his peripherals weren't as good, but the only thing that matters to me when talking who was the best in a given season is whether or not they were more productive, and Lackey looks to be.

There is nothing "clear" about that.
   80. Gaelan Posted: October 19, 2007 at 06:37 PM (#2584493)
I forgot about Bedard. He might have been as good as Beckett. This, however, is completely wrong.

the only thing that matters to me when talking who was the best in a given season is whether or not they were more productive, and Lackey looks to be.



There is no way that "best" and "most productive" can ever mean the same thing.
   81. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:04 PM (#2584592)
Thanks so much guys. Your well wishes are making me cry like the baby I have been all day.

Now that I have some time to tell what happened, I think I will...

As you all gathered Lu wasn't good from the update in chatter from myself. Her water basically broke when either Youks hit the home run,or when Manny was thrown at home. We left the house after the Manny thrown out at home play. I was desperate to know what was going and longed for the chance to email teddy,pj, fly or someone to keep me in the loop and at the same tim ekeep my little Lu calm.

I have to add here that I have an amazing friend in Sydney called Alex, who sent 43 test messages during the game. They were the only things keeping her calm during the contractions (seriously).

You won't believe me when I say this, but when Lu went in to the operating theater and the scorewas 7-1 with Paps inm, we felt safe enough to think that this game 5 was in the bag!!!

Maybe the girls have taken away all my negative thoughts,even though they still think they could do a better job than Coco!
   82. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:13 PM (#2584598)
Thanks so much guys. Your well wishes are making me cry like the baby I have been all day.

That hormonal swing will calm down now that the baby is here.
   83. robinred Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:16 PM (#2584603)

That hormonal swing will calm down now that the baby is here


Plus, thay are just two more Red Sox pants pissers. Big deal.
   84. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:21 PM (#2584607)
Phil isn't really a pants pisser. He came perilously close a time or two, but he can be bucked up. I don't worry about Phil.
   85. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:23 PM (#2584610)
But, speaking of which, when all seemed gloomy the other day, I said "it wasn't over, if Beckett has a good game and the extend it to 6, watch out".

I'm telling you now, good things will happen tomorrow night for the Red Sox..
   86. The Artist Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:25 PM (#2584611)
Congrats Phil !
   87. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:29 PM (#2584616)
Thanks so much guys. Your well wishes are making me cry like the baby I have been all day.

Now that I have some time to tell what happened, I think I will...

As you all gathered Lu wasn't good from the update in chatter from myself. Her water basically broke when either Youks hit the home run,or when Manny was thrown at home. We left the house after the Manny thrown out at home play. I was desperate to know what was going and longed for the chance to email teddy,pj, fly or someone to keep me in the loop and at the same tim ekeep my little Lu calm.

I have to add here that I have an amazing friend in Sydney called Alex, who sent 43 test messages during the game. They were the only things keeping her calm during the contractions (seriously).

You won't believe me when I say this, but when Lu went in to the operating theater and the scorewas 7-1 with Paps inm, we felt safe enough to think that this game 5 was in the bag!!!

Maybe the girls have taken away all my negative thoughts,even though they still think they could do a better job than Coco!


I must say, I like how the entire story of Lu's labor revolves around how it relates to the Sox game. As it should be.
   88. Spahn Insane Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2584622)
somehow until this year i didnt know that he pitched 4 innings on 2 days rest after pitching 9 innings. it was the day of game 6 of Sox-Yankees so my focus was elsewhere.

Oh, I remember it, all right. Still hate that little punkass for it. He's right below the Nazi child molester serial killer on my shitelist.
   89. Darren Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:11 PM (#2584711)
Congrats Phil. Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.

Maybe the girls have taken away all my negative thoughts,even though they still think they could do a better job than Coco!


Yes kids have this effect, but don't worry, it'll pass. :)
   90. robinred Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:16 PM (#2584715)
Game 6 is a really intriuging matchup, with great storylines and a lot on the line. I am looking forward to muting my TV and watching it.
   91. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:17 PM (#2584718)
You could TiVo it and play it backwards.
   92. Nasty Nate Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:30 PM (#2584726)
You could TiVo it and play it backwards.
...Paul Byrd is dead?


am i the only one who thinks the overall Fox broadcast is improved this year?
   93. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:46 PM (#2584738)
Isn't Byrd set up to pitch Game 7?
   94. Darren Posted: October 19, 2007 at 11:58 PM (#2584743)
I think it's game number 9.
   95. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 20, 2007 at 12:23 AM (#2584759)
Congratulations, Phil and Lu! And those are wonderful names...
   96. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: October 20, 2007 at 12:25 AM (#2584760)
am i the only one who thinks the overall Fox broadcast is improved this year?


I think I'd agree with that. I haven't had nearly as many homicidal impulses this year, trips around the bottom of the order excepted.
   97. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 20, 2007 at 03:38 AM (#2584862)
Hey Phil are you still coming to Japan and Taiwan? Are you bringing the twins???

TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*opens up can of whoopass*
   98. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: October 20, 2007 at 03:47 PM (#2584968)
Isn't Byrd set up to pitch Game 7?
It'll be Westbrook for Game 7, if necessary. Which scares the crap out of me as an Indians fan - Jake generally either throws 7 innings of one-run ball or 2 innings of nine-run ball.
   99. Darren Posted: October 20, 2007 at 04:12 PM (#2584980)
In case you guys missed it, Ellsbury is starting in CF tonight, per Projo. I've posted a news item about it.
   100. Rough Carrigan Posted: October 20, 2007 at 05:54 PM (#2585048)
If they get to game 7, Westbrook may miss the umpiring stylings of Brian Gorman. He may miss them very much.
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