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Maybe my attempts to not get too emotionally involved were working too well, but I didn't see Iassogna as being biased--just lousy and inconsistent, as the umps have usually been this year. Game 1 was far more unevenly officiated.
At this point, the series is over, and I'm disgusted enough that I'd like to see either Manny and Papi (or both!) get drilled in Game 3. Bitter? A dickish impulse? Yes, but I'm just trying to fit in.
The fan didn't reach into the stadium, the ball was in the stands.
What? A fan isn't allowed to catch the ball when it's in the stands?
Rule 3.16:
"If spectator interference clearly prevents a fielder from catching a fly ball, the umpire shall declare the batter out. No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out."
Are you talking about the pop-up by Manny that the fan took away from Mathis? It was absolutely the right call, as the ball was in the stands. That fan won't be buying any drinks (or horror novels) for a long time.
On another note, how much of dumbwad is Coco for failing to retag 2nd? And how lousy was Lugo until the 9th?
Well, he's 17, so it should be at least 4 years.
That would've been inexcusable in Little League. Speaking of little league, I have to check this, but the Sox must have the smallest/lightest 2B-SS-CF in the game today.
On another note, how much of dumbwad is Coco for failing to retag 2nd? And how lousy was Lugo until the 9th?
I wanted to use the N word. By the N word I mean "Coco you NotJacoby"
I forgot that people under 21 don't drink. :)
If he went to Canada...
Did anyone else catch the guy in the bright blue windbreaker behind home plate making a mad dash for the exits as soon Manny made contact? He knew it was a HR before anyone else did, but he didn't even have a second to sit there and savour the moment.
TBS had a huge night tonight; two great games between 4 very star-studded, recognizable teams. I wouldn't be surprised if they average a 7 or an 8 over the 9 hour block the games consumed. That would be impressive for a cable station.
Onto the game, Matsuzaka didn't look very good to me. Steve Stone described him well when he called him a "power nibbler." I don't know if he doesn't trust his stuff or what, but he needs to put these guys away when he gets up 0-2 and 1-2.
Iassogna was terrible, but not noticeably in one direction. He was just brutally inconsistent and seemed to be backlogged in makeup calls.
Manny's been a major driving force behind the plans to get rid of him. Now ARod, there's the guy you're trying to think of.
I don't know who that is.
I ended up only catching the last couple of innings, so I might have missed out on the announcers telling us who that was.
Can someone get me up to speed?
Glad I'm not the only one.
Don't count on the announcers--they couldn't recognize Stephen King after he was on screen twice for about a 1/2 hour each time. I generally have liked the TBS broadcast except:
1) Their guns are juiced. Everyone throws 98 all night.
2) The flames graphic on the gun reading gets old very, very, quickly.
3) The announcers aren't very knowledgeable.
4) Missing game action is bad.
2. Steve Stone is one of the most knowledgeable announcer in the game.
I loved how Manny stood at home plate, both arms raised, until well after the ball had cleared the fence. Classic.
I too thought the umpiring was merely weird and inconsistent, not biased against one or the other team.
Ted Robinson is pretty bland, but Stone's done a good job. I think Cal has been the highlight of their studio bunch, hands down. I enjoy listening to him.
Iassogna is f**king brutal. I have no idea if he jobbed either team badly enough to significantly affect the outcome because it seemed like all he did was miss calls. The most obnoxious ones were the two check swing "strikes" he called (one on each team, Lugo and Figgins I think) that were, charitably speaking, very borderline after which he refused to consult the 1B or 3B umpire. Neither was so obvious on replay that he should've called it on his own; that was just flat out f**king arrogance.
"In that situation, that guy has gotten me out so many times. But baseball's like that. Sometimes you get me, sometimes I get you."
... and ...
"It feels great. It's been a long time since I've done something special like that. But I haven't been right all year long. When you don't feel good and still get hits, that's when you know you're a bad man."
That's when you know you're a bad man. Perfect.
I wish the these games were best of 7. Playoff baseball is the best.
Do we really need 162 to sort out the king, 156 would get the job done , right?
Manny watching his shot go out of the park was not much different from the dance of joy that K-Rod would have done if he shut him down.
So because Yankee fan #1 says "A"
and Yankee fan #2 says "B"
and talk radio caller #3 says "C",
all Yankee fans are guilty of believing "A", "B", and "C", all at the same time?
When it was pointed out that the Yankees players celebrate quite a bit as well, the excuse is that they do it in the dugout so it's okay
Once again, I am not saying the walkoff wasn't worthy of the celebration, but you don't really see a difference between these two things?
And that's an interesting point about pitcher celebrations. Does anyone ever complain about them? The only reason I can think of that they might not be equivalent is that they're more clearly the result of adrenaline-- like Papelbon's utterly insane series of gestures while coming off the mound in the 8th (I think) last night.
I'm sure contributing to it are the multiple video clips of batters celebrating and not advancing as many bases on the hit as they probably should. Most of these clips, by the way, are of Alfonso Soriano.
Scioscia has been quite clear, for years, that his team "won't play the game that way" - won't throw at opposing hitters, won't start or extend the cycles of retaliation. Whether plunking Manny would be justified or not under the code of baseball, I would be extremely surprised if Scioscia changed his tune on intentional HBPs so suddenly.
I was using your post as a jumping off point about the general subject celebrations. To me, Manny's celebration is hardly likely to get him thrown at because it doesn't seem to ever happen to him, even though he always watches his HR. I don't mean to imply that you hold those opinions about Yankees celebrations vs. other teams, but it does seem like a pretty lame excuse because:
a) The other team can still see you doing that stuff in the dugout, and
b) The Yankees do plenty of celebrating on the field, such as the curtain calls on 4th inning solo HRs and ARod throwing his bat.
I'm extremely pro-celebration by the way. I love the way Papelbon reacts after a successful outing, for example. I also loved watching Rocker until he started saying really stupid stuff.
But I think curtain calls are different - they're motivated entirely by fans, and in more than one game I've attended, it was the only way to continue with the game normally.
This is point #1 in the talk radio case against Milledge. God, I really, really hate that attitude. Jump around and get excited for crying out loud--it's a fun game. It's not like he's pointing his finger in someone's face.
When did that get started by the way? Because one could argue that the first wave of players to take so many curtain calls is partly responsible for the situation now, where the fans expect it.
1) Francona did a nice job. I'm not sure about Lopez, but that's what he's there for-- and I liked Tito not waiting on Matsuzaka. Looks like his slow hook may be an artifact of the regular season (let's hope). Then aggressively going to Delcarmen, Okajima, and Papelbon, was excellent, and not how all managers would have played it, I imagine.
2) Okajima looked good. His control was perhaps not quite so pinpoint as it was back in April and May, but he had good stuff, to my eyes.
3) Manny Ramirez is a bad man.
I find it's not just that they were raised and raised for a very long time, it's the way his hands were open and pointed palm out. It just struck me as so distinctive and Manny. You expect clenched fists pointed inward.
The openness of the gesture just exuded such pure joy.
This may be part of the reason Manny never gets thrown at for these things. His gestures seem less about showboating and more about reveling in the moment. Well, there's that, and the whole 500 career HRs. Those help, too.
Someone may have mentioned this earlier in the thread, but Lugo's sailing around third to home with his arms spread like wings was pretty great, too.
And that's an interesting point about pitcher celebrations. Does anyone ever complain about them? The only reason I can think of that they might not be equivalent is that they're more clearly the result of adrenaline-- like Papelbon's utterly insane series of gestures while coming off the mound in the 8th (I think) last night.
I can honestly say I mimiced those gestures in my living rooms this morning (the game was on for me, this morning).
My mother started B!@#$ing at me, sayign I looked like I was having a seizure.
And "mad props" to Francona. This guy is on top of his managing game right now. His pitcher deployment through two games has been essentially flawless, our six players who can hit consistently are at the top of the line-up, and the players have rewarded him with two hard fought games. Go Sox.
Heal quickly Pedroia.
InsideTheParker: "I think Lopez' value lies in his reverse split: you bring him in to face a lefty, they replace lefty with righty, and he gets the out. With a true loogy, you might be in real trouble when the opposition subs in a rh batter."
Todd Benzinger: "Or, in this case, you turn around a switch hitter. Although I was ######## about it at the time, it was the optimal use of Lopez. I thought they should have brought in MDC right there to go for the K, but it was a reasonable move that worked especially given that Lopez was turning around a switch-hitter."
Taking 180 PA as affirmative evidence of a historical anomaly is, to me, a radical misuse of statistics.
I thought it definitely should have been Delcarmen. The rest of Francona's moves with the bullpen were really excellent, and the Lopez move worked out, so I'm not particularly worked up about Tito. It's the misuse of numbers that bugs me.
If he doesn't get hurt, we either start a beanball war which we don't need, or Vladdy just gets pissed and hits 8 home runs in the next 3 games.
His numbers have a pretty big platoon split in the minors and majors. More than that, Scioscia has clearly platooned him over his career, as Morales has had ~75% of his career PA against righties. So, there was a good bit of value in turning Morales around. There still isn't value in having Lopez face a righty instead of a lefty, but it might at least even out enough to make some sense.
Carlos Perez.
Best Regards
John
For some reason, that reminded me of Dennis Eckersley when he did the fist-pump-and-point routine at the Blue Jays in the 8th inning of game 4 of the 1992 ALCS. We all know how that ended...
Another thing in his favor is that, as noted above by the SOSHers, is that Morales is a much better hitter from the left side--887 OPS to 577 in 07. This split was less pronounced, but still there, in the minors as well.
(Yes, I'm defending Tito. Will miracles never cease?)
Baloney. If the players didn't revel in them, the fans would sit back down and watch the damn game. Besides, how does people cheering make the game impossible to continue? This point is inane.
Iirc, Francona specifically stated that they wanted to turn around Morales as the driving force for the decision to take out Matsuzaka. Lopez is the guy to turn him around in the middle of the game.
It would seem there's a clear deliniation between regular season Tito and 8 day best of 5 post season Tito. And good thing there is, right?
I like Tito. Nobody else brought home a damn ring.
Actually Figgins was laughing at the ump. He never saw Papelbon walk off the mound (there's a replay from another angle). Figgins didn't agree with the call and was arguing with/laughing at Iassogna's judgement; he never even looked in Papelbon's direction.
But I agree that the celebrating was a bit much. Maybe more understandable when you realize he'd thrown about six strikes that inning that were inexplicably called balls, one of which resulting in the Rivera walk.
I don't think so. I think it's more that Sox fans are kind of mental.
Do we really need 162 to sort out the king, 156 would get the job done , right?
The Padres and Mets wholeheartedly concur.
It's only his second postseason experience, and his first as a key contributor to the team. Not too surprising that he'd be a little more amped up than usual.
Phil C.,
Sorry about the rugby team. I caught the last 25 minutes and was pulling for them. NZL-FRA was a shocker. There are few games I can recall in which a team dominated by such a margin and still lost.
Thanks mate.
I am more upset about the NZ loss than ours. they are great team who deserved more, France are a lucky bunch of #####, who NEVER GIVE UP
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