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1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 18, 2011 at 11:31 AM (#3831040)1) Given the uncertainty of translating NPB statistics to MLB, can we be confident enough in Dice's numbers from Japan? Even though he has MLB-quality stuff, that doesn't mean he has the command or approach or whatever that turns stuff into results in MLB.
2) A pitcher who got used like he was Old Hoss Radbourn in his teens, and like a Rice University pitcher through his 20s, is a terrible bet to remain healthy over the course of a six-year contract.
Both of these concerns, which I disagreed with and sometimes dismissed without much thought, have been just about entirely vindicated.
And he started and won the game that gave the Red Sox their 5th AL pennant of my lifetime. Then he picked up a WS victory.
Get well Dice!
(for some reason, I still like the guy)
Eh. Anybody who thinks the Sox made the Dice K signing purely based on his Japan #s is naive. Scouting played a major role in convincing them that he was worth it, and frwom what I can tell (not having seen him in Japan obviously), the Dice we got wasn't the same as the one they saw in Japan.
I'm with Teddy, I still like the guy. He has a flair when he's on his game that I don't think any other starter on the club has.
3 - you'll forgive my lack of surprise at your lack of faith in Wakefield.
I'm saying the 6/100 contract was an unwise use of that money, not that Matsuzaka was always and at all times a bust. He did good stuff, I enjoyed it. But the worries about him coming into 2007 were pretty much all vindicated.
My theory, for what it's worth, is that Matsuzaka got a Glavine/Maddux zone in Japan. (Or, if you are skeptical that Glavine/Maddux got much help from the umpires, he got the zone that everyone else in the NL liked to claim Maddux and Glavine got.) If you watch some of those old videos, he's getting several inches on the outside for called third strikes. My theory is he never had great control even when his NPB numbers were awesome, and when US umps didn't give him the superstar zone, he didn't have the skill to adjust. I was hopeful that over time, he could learn - that's common in pitcher development - but instead his arm blew up.
Maybe he'll be one of those guys who gets through elbow and shoulder injuries, rehabs and struggles for a year or two, and comes back a new pitcher with better command, more experience, and all that. I still have some hope for Dice, that he'll be a good pitcher for the Giants in 2014 or something - he's got the stuff to be a world-class junkballer, and maybe he'll still have some of the old fastball, too.
I think Matsuzaka has truly changed how MLB is going to look at NPB pitchers. Given his crazy levels of success over there and his ordinariness here I think a huge dose of skepticism is going to exist for quite some time.
The old bait & switch? Pretty tricky. Perhaps it's not too late to find the real Dice-K or get the money back.
Here's what I've come up with so far:
Twins 113m payroll, going absolutely nowhere
Scott Baker: 2 years left + club option (5m, 6.5m, 9.25m option), projects around averageish, probably would take some decent prospects though
Carl Pavano: *shudder* 2years 8m, 8.5m and limited no trade
White Sox 128m payroll and rapidly heading towards non contention
Edwin Jackson: 8.35m last year of his contract, projects probably around averagish
Mark Buehrle: 14m last year of his contract, projects probably a bit above average, full NTC though
I will probably chime in with some more suggestions at some point, but feel free to beat me to it...
I'd be stunned if Buehrle waived his NTC, unless it was to go to the Cardinals.
The other thing about Pavano is the Sox might be able to do something where they get their hands on a Mijares or a Capps to bolster the bullpen. Obviously they would have to give up more but if the Twins go into "seller" mode they have some relievers worth putting int he bullpen.
Oh, me too. Still, can't blame a team for trying...
Speaking of guys with full NTC's, could the cash strapped Dodgers be conned into giving up Kuroda (1 year, 12m)? He could be our new designated Japanese starter!
I suppose mentioning Billingsly would be considered greedy...
We can't afford to trade any more prospects this season.
Which is why I am mostly looking at salary dump type trades, where we would send filler back.
Doesn't this overstate the overall depth of starting pitching across the league? You certainly don't want them to be your 4th and 5th starters, but if your 4th and 5th starters put up 5.5 ERAs and your 1-3 throw 90-100 games and put up a 3.75 ERA on average, you've got a decent shot of making the playoffs. ####, look at this team: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1999.shtml
Anyhow, I'm not saying it's not a problem, just that shelving Dice and Lackey, and using Wake and Aceves, is perfectly compatible with making the playoffs.
And Masterson is still going great, despite the monster splits.
Good for the future. Teams need to see your propects prosper.
I don't know how you can reach that conclusion with any certainty. It may not be his fault but that's not something we can even pretend to know.
Fuentes is doing pretty well too. Considering the sort of player he is and his age I think .310/.353/.393 in a .277/.354/.424 environment while being one of the youngest players in the league has to be viewed as solid progress.
Because he didn't have the success he wanted/expected when he landed on these shores? Given what he did in Japan and what the expectations were I wouldn't be surprised if Matsuzaka felt 14-11, 4.40 was unacceptable and of course 2008 was very successful.
I'm sure the Sox have done considerable work to help him adjust to the US game (it would be negligent not too) and it is very reasonable to think that some of their suggestions have not worked. This is year three of sub-standard performance though, at some point if it were just a matter of "throw more junk" someone, the Sox, Matsuzaka himself, Varitek, Don Orsillo, would have figured it out by now. I think this is ultimately a function of performance/ability and not style.
That being said he is a vastly different pitcher from what we were told he would be. The huge variety of pitches and the mid-90s fastball simply do not exist now and other than maybe his first few months in the US have never existed over here. I don't know why that is but it seems logical to me that if it was a conscious decision to get away from that variety by now he would have gone back to it if he could.
Again, my theory is that Dice never had great command or control, but got a superstar strike zone in Japan, so he never had to learn. (This would explain some of the nibbling - he was doing the things that got him Ks in NPB.)
I never saw his problem as nibbling (or not getting close calls), though. Yes, he nibbles, which gets him behind in counts. The problem is that when he wants to stop nibbling, he throws so many pitches that are not at all near where he wants them to go.
It would certainly help explain a lot of the inconsistency.
Chalk another one up for the team's whacky medical staff!
Now he's on the track of trying to rehab it to put off surgery. I'm trying to think of the last time that worked out, where the guy didn't eventually need the TJ surgery... I can't think of any.
So the question now becomes: what can we get out of the guy before his contract's up. If we cut him open now, maybe he can give us something in late 2012 before we say goodbye forever. If we try this "strengthening" thing, what's the upside for 2011? Maybe 2 months of league-average pitching+, followed by the inevitable off-season TJ surgery so he's out for 2012?
In any case, my read on the above article is that our days of fretting over Dice-K's ability/effectiveness are soon going to be over, one way or another.
On another note, I'm thrilled to see Masterson doing so well this year. Always liked him with the Sox.
For retreads, there's always Brandon Duckworth, who's been knocking around AAA for the past couple years, doing a decent job. This year he's got a 3.27 ERA with 33 K, 13 BB, and 1 HR in 41.1 IP.
Edit: And I guess if you're afraid people will miss the Dice-K experience, they could bring up Andrew Miller and his 28 BB in 35.1 IP.
This is exactly what I meant with post #34. It's hard to see him avoiding the surgery altogether, and I don't think he's going to come back as a good pitcher until he does get the surgery. So the Sox should really push him to just go ahead and get the surgery to see how he pitches at the end of next year. Hell, who knows, maybe after TJ he comes back as the guy they were expecting all along. Crazier things have happened. But it would be nice to see a truly healthy Daisuke for at least the last few months of his contract to see what he can do.
I truly think this is basically the end game for Dice-K; we've seen him pitch his last good game in a Red Sox uniform.
I believe just cash is an option.
If the Sox have to use him for more than a couple of starts, that's bad, but if they get to the point where they need more than a couple of starts from their 9th starter (big five, Wake, Ace, Doubront) then there is not going to be a good option.
Looks like Matsuzaka is in fact going to have TJ surgery. I don't know why he didn't just go through with it 2 weeks ago, but whatever.
I mean seriously. If a once valued employee of yours said, "Nothing personal, but I feel you don't appreciate my skill set, and I don't want to be yanked back forth between the graveyard shift and the morning shift anymore. I'd like to find employment elsewhere." Would you really say, "See ya later ########!!"
Never had a pitcher with an arm injury?
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