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1. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: July 31, 2005 at 03:36 AM (#1512024)Anybody remember when Toronto traded for him and it was considered a steal?
Now 40-man spots have to be created for Cruz AND Papelbon.
In a deal that had Mike Timlin going the other way.
Perez is still reasonably young at 23, but he's never cracked a 750 OPS and was demoted this year back to AA for a repeat year that isn't going well. Small chance to be a utility infielder.
Bono was an 8th rd pick last year, but he was very good in the Cape that summer out of the pen (worked as a starter in college) and the Sox signed him for 400+k, which is roughly 4th rd money.
He's pitched all year out of the Wilmington pen. He's had a lot of Ks (56 in 48.2 IP), but also 32 BB and 5 HR which is pretty high for the Carolina League.
I think he's pitched better of late and been stretched a little for some 2 and 3 IP stints. Slightly better than a generic arm strenght guy I guess. About what you'd expect for a DFA'd player.
Well, they could give Adam Stern back to Atlanta. Keeping him on the 25-man roster is not exactly helping them.
The Red Sox did complete one deal, getting outfielder Jose Cruz Jr. and cash from the Arizona Diamondbacks for minor league infielder Kenny Perez and right-handed prospect Kyle Bono.
Red Sox acquire OF Cruz from Diamondbacks
On Baseball Tonight, they were speculating it was because of Cruz' bad back.
i see U2 rendition of the Gambler coming up! Still waiting for the day when someone is going to be name d Kyle Perez!
If nothing, Kyle should be traded to the Mets, so they have someone to sing "Sunday Bloody Sunday"!
One report I saw had AZ sending "cash considerations" so maybe not so much.
A logical conclusion might be that Alvarez, Shoppach, and perhaps Stern are being packaged for somebody. But for a hitter, or for pitching?
Sox get their outfielder: D'backs send Cruz to Boston
On the Bigbie deal that wasn't:
On Friday night, the Rockies dealt outfielder Eric Byrnes to Baltimore for Bigbie with the express purpose of flipping him to the Sox for Shoppach and Stern. The two teams had completed the necessary paperwork with the commissioner's office, but the Sox pulled out of the deal.
According to multiple baseball sources, the deal was killed by Red Sox ownership, which reportedly objected to the sheer number of players coming and going from the organization as the team discussed multiple trades involving slugger Manny Ramirez.
The Rockies refused comment on the breakdown of the deal, but one baseball official with knowledge of the deal: "They're livid -- and that's an understatement."
"From what I remember when the Royals had them as an affiliate, Wilmington is one of the most extreme pitcher's parks in the country."
This is correct.
I seriously doubt there aren't a few of them roaming around out here (CA) somewhere already.
Steve Bono did alright for himself for a few years.
I hope not. He's terrible. His Iso slugging is impressive but it can't make up for batting .215. He's only 31 but he plays like he's 39. Are there any Arizona fans that actually liked watching him play?
I can see him being DFA again in a month.
NO Huff! NO blue chippers being traded for AAAA guys! NO trading Manny (it appears)! YES!
That's not goign to get any player that's any good, you know that right?
Last year he had a better OPS vs. lefties and than righties. Perhaps it hurts him more to swing righthanded. (His back injury)
Red Sox would be wise not to use him against lefties.
I'm not saying it is. I'm just looking at what they might do to create roster spots for Cruz and Papelbon.
Yeah, I chuckled when I read the reports of his injury occurred at a charity golf outing.
I had visions of him chatting it up with Alice Cooper, teeing up, and all of a sudden 'Son of a...'
:)
CATORCE MOTHER F!@#
Health problems and brutal defense hurt Cruz's value. MGL posted his UZR the other day, I can't remember exactly what it was but it was real ugly.
This is a salary dump for Arizona, since the already dfa'd him. I wonder if they will still pay part of the contract.
I'm ok with this. Perez is a filler at 2b, might be a Matt Kata one day. With more power. Bono might pan out as a reliever. You can never have too many sinker ball pitchers at the BOB. AZ was going to lose Cruz anyhow. Good for Theo; at least NYY didn't get Cruz. I think AZ is sending some cash to BOS, I am not sure how much. I'm just happy to see Conor Jackson with the Dbacks today; he'll be a stud. Next up, DFA McCracken, call up Carlos Quentin.
...I have nothing productive to add to this topic.
"And the beat goes on."
UZR loves Cruz...
-63 isn't very encouraging, though.
MGL has suggested that it's more like 300
The Diamondbacks traded outfielder Jose Cruz Jr., who was designated for assignment, to the Red Sox for minor leaguers Kenny Perez (infielder) and Kyle Bono (pitcher) and cash considerations.
It was considered less important than a possible Tony Clark extension :)
EV claimed to find statistically significant season to season correlation in UZR starting at around 100 games (UZR games rather than actual games) per season a couple years ago. I'm not sure where that thread is now, though (it was on SoSH which just moved).
Enthusiasm for Quintanilla's debut, however, could not ease the sting of losing Shoppach. The Rockies believed they had a deal for the 25-year-old catcher in exchange for Bigbie, pending Red Sox ownership approval Saturday.
Boston wasn't willing to sign off until exhausting all efforts to package Shoppach for Tampa Bay's Aubrey Huff.
If that trade fizzles, there's a slim possibility Colorado could revisit talks for Shoppach today.
0.252/0.369/0.495 for this year.
I'm worried about Cruz' defense, but I guess you have to assume that the Red Sox front office has their own version of UZR - James and others have made that pretty clear - so, well, yeah. Doesn't mean Cruz is a stud, but hopefully he's vaguely competent.
I had dreams last night about the trading deadline. I specifically remember a report that the Red Sox traded Miller to Seattle for "Cuaradso", which I quickly figured out meant Guardado. I was happy about that trade, but worried about the starting rotation.
According to multiple baseball sources, the deal was killed by Red Sox ownership, which reportedly objected to the sheer number of players coming and going from the organization as the team discussed multiple trades involving slugger Manny Ramirez.
Along with the Daily News piece yesterday, that's now two significant reports of infighting in the Boston front office.
Is anyone going to the game today? I wanna see a sign that reads "Fire Larry Lucchino"
I wish my team (the Pirates) were good enough that I would actually dream about the trading deadline.
To be honest, the Pirates are in severe trouble. They had managed to claw their way back to relevance during the NHL strike, but with Sydney Crosby almost officially a Penguin (just needs to sign the deal) and the Steelers likely to make another playoff run, the Pirates will again be teetering their way off of the radar in Pittsburgh.
God... the Penguins present the perfect contrast to the Pirates... they were both good at around the same time (early 90's), both teams had the best player in their sport, but the Penguins went for broke (literally) and won for longer and now they've rebuilt the team into a competitor faster than the Pirates. In fact, if Howard Baldwin hadn't been such an idiot with the rest of his businesses, the Penguins would never gone bankrupt in the first place.
Similar to the A-Rod deal, which I'm convinced would not have happened as it did if Boston didn't lay the groundwork and then the trade didn't happen.
As a CF (in roughly 1 season's worth of of data). + 17 as a RF (with the same size data).
I'm all up for criticizing Theo, but I don't see the problem with this move.
a) Matt Lawton whose defense also sucks by UZR and will probably cost much more in prospects and/or cash
b) Larry Bigbie who would have cost a pretty solid prospect in Shoppach.
c) fulltime Kapler or whatever internal options the Sox were considerig (a little Stern, some Millar)
So far, I'll take d) Jose "none of the above" Cruz without a second thought.
That's hardly "hating Cruz." 2002 was +4 in RF (42 games), +15 in LF (56 games), -26 in CF (19) games. Cruz was terrible in CF in 01, but that's an awfully long time ago.
If I were to draw a conclusion from UZR, I'd say it was that Cruz is a bit above average as corner OF and maybe a bit below in CF.
Russ, the player is SIDNEY, not Sydney. The next Stevie Yzerman.
ONE NOTE, HOWEVER: I've heard Cruz is a pain in the ass. Chronic complainer; ego out of proportion to his skills. IOW, a perfect new element to pour into this test-tube of a clubhouse right now, eh?
Is anyone going to the game today? I wanna see a sign that reads "Fire Larry Lucchino"
Double amen, Mikael. Trading Manny is certainly defensible on economic and sabermetric grounds. But good executives figure out how to SOLVE people problems, not pour gasoline on 'em and lighting matches. Lucchino's behavior with Nomar and now Manny has been absolutely incomprehensible. What a freakin' A$S.
mgl posted his 2005 UZR in some random thread and it was awful in CF and slightly less awful in the corner. I assume that's mostly back injury related, but with a negative UZR in 2004 as well, it would appear that his defense has taken a pretty big nose dive the last couple of years. Not clear how relevent the 2000-03 numbers are any more.
And in general that's going to become an increasing problem in terms of discussing UZR at all. If a player is 31 in 2006 are we going to still talk about his UZR from 2000-03 when he was 25-28?
The Axe isn't going anywhere unless he wants to.
That's all from the Spy Glass.
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