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   1. CraigK Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:40 AM (#1394049)
How old is Petagine?
   2. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:42 AM (#1394052)
I wonder if there is an underground railway that leads to Shea Stadium.
   3. tfbg9 Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:07 AM (#1394134)
34?

I'm really excited to see this guy get a chance to show what he can do. Unless Millar/Olerude totally tanks or gets injured, how is he gonna get his oppurtunity? Plus, there's that Larry the Lobster anti-Petagine barrier. But, if he continues to simply crush AAA pitching like he has been, will the Big Club be have no choice but to bring him up, regardless of what the organization's 1B situation is? Will Roberto's glimmering batting line overwhelm them, and force thair hand? I dunno.

I've yet to hear anything on WEEI or 1510 The Zone about this matter, either from a host or a caller, or see anything in the print media.. Maybe I should call...
   4. Darren Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:10 AM (#1394146)
If Petagine keeps this up, maybe they'll decide to try to unload Millar--they noticed his terrible defense was hurting them last year and it seemed like they were planning to replace him with Minky. Maybe they'll do the same this year with Pet.
   5. Jim Furtado Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:14 AM (#1394153)
Hitting in AAA will do him absolutely no good if he gets hurt or hits like crap every time he's added to a major league roster.
   6. tfbg9 Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:28 AM (#1394185)
Agreed. And this figures to be his last chance, if he gets it. That's why I'm so very very intrigued by this whole thing. That and I'm rooting for another Theo "feather in the cap." So he'll never lose his postion as Sox GM.
   7. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:48 AM (#1394233)
They better give him a chance, he's given up his time dominating a major league to hang out in the minors for a chance at Boston :P.
   8. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:43 AM (#1394427)
It's not that I don't like Millar, but it would free up alot of space if he'd just go away.
   9. tfbg9 Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:52 AM (#1394449)
Well, ideally, Olerude would get hurt and Millar would start producing at career rates, then Petagine would step in and rake at .290/.390/.590 clip. Then we'd have an effective Left/Right 1B combo, with Roberto as the defensive replacement guy. Not that I have anything against Olerude, but balance is better.
   10. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: June 10, 2005 at 03:07 AM (#1394466)
I've seen the Larry is Anti-Petagine statements a few times on here, but don't know any background. Can someone fill me in?

Thanks.
   11. Josh Posted: June 10, 2005 at 03:17 AM (#1394480)
I've seen the Larry is Anti-Petagine statements a few times on here, but don't know any background. Can someone fill me in?

Thanks.


It is from a TO that Dan wrote at the time of the signing, I believe. You can read it here.
   12. ESK in STL Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:30 PM (#1394671)
FREE ROBERTO PETAGINE...with purchase of 10 gallons of gasoline.
   13. Mikαεl Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:39 PM (#1394680)
I posted this in the other Petagine thread, but I'll just add it here. He left the 6/8 game after being hit by a pitch, and he did not play yesterday. Hope everything's alright.

Also, in our fantasy league, Darren originally called his team, "Petagine in a Bottle." Which was funny.
   14. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:47 PM (#1394693)
Just to add a little perspective, Brian Daubach is hitting .352/.427/.609 at Norfolk, the Mets' AAA affiliate. And he's only 33. How many MLB teams have someone similar?
   15. Darren Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:50 PM (#1394696)
Yes, but but but... he's Petagine!!! Master of the Japanese league and husband of a 57-year-old!
   16. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 10, 2005 at 12:56 PM (#1394705)
Just to add a little perspective, Brian Daubach is hitting .352/.427/.609 at Norfolk, the Mets' AAA affiliate. And he's only 33.

..and his career major league numbers are .261/.342/.478, in around 2300 PAs. Which do you think is more indicative of his likely production in the majors?

I don't think it's realistic to expect Petagine to do much better than Daubach has done in his career.

-- MWE
   17. jordan Posted: June 10, 2005 at 01:31 PM (#1394737)
Mike, I agree that we shouldn't expect Petagine to do much better than Daubach did in the majors. However, I think it is possible that Petagine's true talent level at the major league level is an 870 OPS which is certainly better than what Daubach can do. Compare Daubach's and Petagine's numbers from the minors and you will see that Petagine was always the better hitter.

Also, I don't think Daubach can bat .350 over a full season at AAA. It's likely that his numbers will go down considerably.

Let's assume for the sake of discussion that Petagine is capable of putting up an OPS of 1100 in AAA over the course of as season. Do you really believe that the change in levels would effect Petagine by over 300 in OPS? I find it hard to believe that this would be the case especially since Petagine has a high walk rate and a reasonable strikeout rate. In addition, Petagine has never had a meaningful sample of major league at bats to confirm or deny his ability to hit at this level.
   18. Mikαεl Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:01 PM (#1394766)
I don't think it's realistic to expect Petagine to do much better than Daubach has done in his career.

I think NPB is a very high level of baseball, played to win, with all the pressure of a major league. It's pretty hard for me to believe that Petagine's peak seasons in NPB weren't equivalent to star/superstar production in MLB. That's the assumption I'm working from. He was awesome, and I take it quite seriously.

He had a down year in 2004, but he seems to be healthy this year, and his translated AAA production is comparable to his regressed, translated Japanese stats.

I think Petagine's had a much better career than Brian Daubach, even though he hasn't played in the North American major leagues.
   19. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: June 10, 2005 at 02:24 PM (#1394804)
Roberto Petagine is absolutely one of the five best hitters the Sox currently employ, and to be honest, I am not sure he isn't second (behind Papi).
   20. The Other Kurt Posted: June 10, 2005 at 05:36 PM (#1395363)
and to be honest, I am not sure he isn't second (behind Papi).

When did Papi pass Manny?

And does anyone have a link to his NPB stats so I can check out what y'all are talking about. Thanks.
   21. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: June 10, 2005 at 05:55 PM (#1395410)
Petagine

I am pretty comfortable saying Ortiz is better than Manny right now. I think Manny will improve off of where he is now but I also think he has entered into a very real decline phase of his career.
   22. chris p Posted: June 10, 2005 at 06:07 PM (#1395449)
petagine's japan numbers were as good as hideki matsui's
   23. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: June 10, 2005 at 08:04 PM (#1396041)
"FREE PETAGINE"? Forget him,
FREE PENTANGELI!
   24. SuperGrover Posted: June 10, 2005 at 10:31 PM (#1396454)
No to rain on anyone's parade, but Kevin Millar's career OPS is 0.858. Why on Earth do you people think Petagine would be able to better that at the ML level?
   25. SuperGrover Posted: June 10, 2005 at 10:33 PM (#1396458)
petagine's japan numbers were as good as hideki matsui's

Of course, Petagine is older and plays 1B (where Matsui's 0.829 career OPS would be below average). But besides that, they're the same.
   26. Mikαεl Posted: June 10, 2005 at 11:44 PM (#1396562)
No to rain on anyone's parade, but Kevin Millar's career OPS is 0.858. Why on Earth do you people think Petagine would be able to better that at the ML level?

Millar's current OPS is 722. If he were hitting at his career averages, no one would be calling for Petagine's freedom.
   27. Darren Posted: June 11, 2005 at 03:05 AM (#1397103)
Yeah, there's also that whole fielding thing. I haven't seen Petagine in the field, but if he can field a ball without falling down, I think we're going to improve by 20-30 runs/year with him.
   28. Paul S Posted: June 13, 2005 at 01:43 AM (#1400305)
Where was that post about the reason for the Petagine/Lucchino animosity being over stolen milk? That was hilarious.
   29. chris p Posted: June 13, 2005 at 01:47 AM (#1400315)
   30. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: June 13, 2005 at 10:57 AM (#1400943)
How about "LET YOUKILIS PLAY ALL THE TIME?"

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