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101. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4100360)

Not sure Sweeney's garbage, but I do worry about the top-heaviness of the lineup. I could see Ross/Sweeney working out reasonably well for much cheaper than J.D. Drew.

102. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4100361)

Sweeney is a solid platoon outfielder. His career line is something like .300/.350/.400 against RHP, while playing ~50% of his games in the Oakland Coliseum. He'll probably add some doubles playing in Fenway. As long as Valentine is aggressive platooning him, he should be a productive player.

I'd still massively prefer Reddick every day in RF, but such is life.

103. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4100366)

Clay could really use an out pitch...

104. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4100369)

Also, for all the panic among Red Sox fans after the 0-2 start after last September, it'd be worse to be the Braves. They had a similar collapse, and are now 0-2 as well, except they're facing a bad Mets team instead of a very good Tigers team. And they're being no-hit through 6 innings in their 3rd game today.

105. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4100373)

The offense in general should be pretty solid unless both SS and C are dreadful and they get much less than anticipated out of someone w/ high expectations.

106. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4100375)

ARod looked a bit lame running first to third on Teixeira's 4th inning double.

107. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4100377)

This is shaping up as a game where having Aceves as the closer is going to hurt. We're going to need some innings from a reliever and having him cooling his heels until the 8th or 9th is not ideal.

108. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4100378)

I think Miller could be really good out of the bullpen. We'll see when he gets healthy.

109. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4100379)

It would help if every ground ball didn't find a hole.

110. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4100381)

I hate this pitching corps more every day. Going to be a long day for the pen again, and then comes the #4 and #5 spots.

111. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4100387)

And now Colin Balester, who couldn't even crack the back of the Nats bullpen, is cruising...ugh.

112. Dock Ellis on Acid

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4100389)

On the bright side, I like the way Ortiz is hitting.

113. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4100390)

And Punto slides into first and is out on a bang bang call. Awesome.

114. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4100393)

This is just like last year, pitching change completely shuts down this lineup. Too many games given away because we stop scoring after the 3rd or 4th inning.

115. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4100395)

This is just like last year, pitching change completely shuts down this lineup. Too many games given away because we stop scoring after the 3rd or 4th inning.

Hey, at least they are scoring today, unlike the last couple of days. With the bad lineup, too!

116. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4100398)

It feels good to see our power hitters getting into the home run game.

117. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4100400)

THAT goes for a hit?

118. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4100405)

Padilla with some clutch pitching out of the pen.

Also makes Valentine's decision to use him in the 8th on Thursday look better (even if he allowed a run then)

119. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4100411)

Padilla looked good to me and I'm definitely not high on him. He seems to mix and match well.

120. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4100413)

So Melancon/Morales/Aceves to finish it out, in some combination, I guess?

121. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4100416)

I think Jenny Dell was the biggest upgrade the Red SOx made this season.

122. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4100417)

Ballsy move by Valentine to go back to Padilla for a third inning.

123. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4100419)

Punto has been pretty shitty today in the field for a guy who plays because of his glove.

Alright, 7 in the books, Peralta, Dirks, Raburn, Jackson due up. Melancon?

124. Infinite Joost (Voxter)

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4100426)

Good God, Nicky Punto pisses me off.

125. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4100427)

WTF is with the lack of game chatters anyway?

126. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4100431)

Coke clearly intentionally hits Gonzalez, and the umpires don't toss him. Good job, blue.

127. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4100433)

Wow. Padilla still in the game for a 4th inning. Valentine going with the hot hand bigtime.

Pedroia with his signature dive then pop up and throw to first move.

128. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4100434)

This has been simply a heroic performance from Padilla.

129. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4100438)

The Tigers defense is simply horrific.

130. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4100439)

I like that bunt. Shoppach hits lefties hard but taking Shoppach out of a GIDP situation is huge. And if Leyland goes to a RHP, bring in Salty.

131. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4100440)

Why the #### isn't Salty hitting for Shoppach here?

132. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4100442)

This is ####### retarded that Shoppach and Punto are facing Dotel with RISP with both Salty and Youkilis on the bench. I thought pinch-hitting was something Valentine was actually going to utilize.

133. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4100443)

Again, Detroit's defense is horrific.

134. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4100447)

First Save Opportunity for Aceves.

135. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4100448)

Good velocity. 94-95 MPH on the single to Austin Jackson.

Now shut the door please.

136. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4100450)

I hate this bullpen.

137. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4100453)

That's a play you expect Pedroia to make, but it's hard to blame him for not making it. That ball was just in a shitty spot.

And tie ballgame. Let the closer controversy begin.

138. Infinite Joost (Voxter)

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4100454)

#### fuck #### fuck #### ############ ########### ############# ############# fuckety #### fuck

139. Mattbert Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4100456)

#### Phil sideways.

140. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4100457)

Gonna be a long year.

141. Jim Wisinski

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4100458)

The good news for Aceves is that as long as he gives up the winning run without recording an out it won't actually show up in his ERA.

142. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4100459)

Aceves was throwing gas, but a ball up on the inside third to Cabrera like that isn't going to get the job done, Fredo.

143. Mattbert Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4100464)

Bard better throw a gem in his start if he wants to stay in the rotation, I guess.

144. Infinite Joost (Voxter)

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4100467)

Remy & Orsillo beating the drum to put Bard back in the pen.

145. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4100471)

This really is the 2003 team.

146. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4100472)

When is the last time the Sox and Yankees were both 0-3?

147. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4100474)

I love how the slamdunk answer to the closer question is the guy who lost 9 games in relief last season, as if he's absolutely going to be an amazing closer. Nevermind the fact that they've committed to trying him as a starter: why does everyone act as if he's a sure thing as a closer?

148. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4100476)

I read that 1980 was the last time both were 0-2. So it's gotta be quite a while even longer ago to find 0-3 for both.

149. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4100487)

Serious question: should the Sox just go nuts and bring up Alex Wilson and give him a try as a late inning reliever? Not necessarily the closer, but in the mix.

150. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: April 08, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4100488)

Joel Pineiro is available, you guys.

151. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4100489)

So the Rays are 3-0 and the Yankees are 0-3. That basically eliminates any significant difference in their final projected records, right? Sicne the Yankees were projected 3-4 wins better?

152. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4100492)

Why is Morales staying in to face Raburn? Raburn murders lefties, and Melancon is a ground ball machine. You should be using a double play inducing pitcher here, Bobby.

153. Mattbert Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4100496)

So the Rays are 3-0 and the Yankees are 0-3. That basically eliminates any significant difference in their final projected records, right? Sicne the Yankees were projected 3-4 wins better?

It means the Yankees will win 114 games this year.

154. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4100498)

Morales just might have earned himself the next shot at this closer thing.

155. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4100505)

Hit and run works! Bobby V's a genius!

156. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:19 PM (#4100506)

And now he's hitting Salty for Shoppach! Huzzah! Should've done it last time up, but better late than never!

157. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4100507)

I would like to see the Maddon style safety squeeze here.

158. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4100512)

That's about the quality of 'hit' you'd expect from Punto, but I'll take it.

159. Mattbert Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4100513)

They can't send Morales back out there, so I think they'll need more than one run.

160. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4100514)

Great read by Aviles.

I guess Melancon gets his shot at closing this game out now?

161. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4100515)

I would like to see the Maddon style safety squeeze here.

I thought the same thing... not that I am complaining now.

162. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4100526)

Morning - holy #### - what is going on ?

163. Infinite Joost (Voxter)

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4100527)

Good God.

164. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4100528)

OK, got through Cabrera and Fielder while still having the lead. Sure, they're both on base, but beggars can't be choosers.

165. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4100529)

Shift backfires.

166. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4100531)

Sure, they're both on base, but beggars can't be choosers.

Apparently they can be closers though...

167. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4100532)

This team seems designed to make me want to tear my hair out.

168. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4100533)

Fine. Trade the run for the out.

169. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4100534)

Here comes the Avila walkoff shot.

170. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4100535)

Now just get Alex Avila out and end this.

171. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4100538)

Un-#######-real. Can't ####### hold a ####### lead.

172. Infinite Joost (Voxter)

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4100539)

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

173. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4100540)

AHAHAHAHA called it.

174. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4100541)

I hate this ####### team!

175. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4100542)

It's over. See y'all in 2013.

176. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4100543)

AHAHAHAHA called it.

He's a witch! Burn him! With fire!

177. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4100544)

Shocking loss - just shocking - this team has ####### NOTHING

178. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4100545)

Great job guys.

179. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4100546)

We are all ###### sideways.

180. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4100548)

How can you be shocked Phil? I warned you it was going to happen 5 minutes in advance!

181. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 05:59 PM (#4100549)

Game 3: Bullpen Hijinx

182. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:00 PM (#4100551)

Melancon, the reliever for whom the Red Sox traded an injury prone but starter quality SS and a backend rotation starter, has already lost 2 games, 3 games into the season.

183. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4100554)

Hell, if the Jays pitchers hold up we could be looking at 4th this year.

184. Mike Emeigh

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4100555)

When is the last time the Sox and Yankees were both 0-3?

1966.

-- MWE

185. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4100556)

How ####### bad is the National League that Melancon saved 20 games last year? He is wretched.

186. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4100557)

Today, at least, the pen didn't really remind me of the complete embarrassment of 2003.

Today, the pen really reminded me of the complete embarrassment of 2003.

187. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4100558)

Padilla and Morales looked pretty good today.

Melancon looked totally cooked. Aceves looked like a ####### distaster.

188. Dale Sams Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4100559)

How ####### bad is the National League that Melancon saved 20 games last year? He is wretched.

20/25...for the Astros. He is exactly what I thought he was.

189. Dale Sams Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4100562)

CMON GUYS! Come July when we're holding a 5 game division lead, we'll all be laughing about this!!!...until they find a way to blow it down the stretch of course.

190. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4100563)

I missed the leadoff hit by Jackson in the ninth, did he hit it hard? Aceves deserved better from Boesch's ground ball.

191. Mike Emeigh

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4100565)

Melancon looked totally cooked.

I watched the inning. He didn't look all that bad to me; the pitch that Avila hit out was in a decent location and he just went down and got it. Sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you.

-- MWE

192. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4100568)

On the plus side the weekend went just as bad for the Yankees and the Angels are headed for 1-2 against the vaunted Royals.

193. Answer Guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4100569)

CMON GUYS! Come July when we're holding a 5 game division lead, we'll all be laughing about this!!!.

What team are you watching? I'm a watching a team with a shaky rotation and a walking disaster of a pen. Sure, the offense is good...but they're going to give up almost as many as they score.

194. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:12 PM (#4100574)

It was a sinking liner hit to the opposite field. If Sweeney had still been in the game it may have been an out, but it wasn't a little bleeder like Boesch's ball.

195. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4100576)

He didn't look all that bad to me

He did induce a perfectly cromulent game-ending DP grounder by Fielder except there was no 3B there to handle it.

196. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4100578)

What team are you watching? I'm a watching a team with a shaky rotation and a walking disaster of a pen. Sure, the offense is good...but they're going to give up almost as many as they score.

I'm watching a team with a good defense, an amazing offense, 3 starting pitchers as good as they come, a 4th starter who was a good prospect a few years ago, a 5th starter who has the potential to be a power arm in the rotation, and a terrible bullpen. You're apparently watching the Orioles, because that's the team you just described.

197. Dan Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:15 PM (#4100579)

He did induce a perfectly cromulent game-ending DP grounder by Fielder except there was no 3B there to handle it.

Except the problem with that was that they had the shift on, and were going to pitch him to hit into the shift. Salty setup inside, and the pitch was on the outside corner and slapped the other way. It was a bad pitch given the expected location and the defense they were playing.

198. Mike Emeigh

Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4100581)

He did induce a perfectly cromulent game-ending DP grounder by Fielder except there was no 3B there to handle it.

Fielder probably doesn't hit the ball there if the Sox don't overshift. He's actually pretty decent at beating the shift when he opts to try; with a two-run lead the Sox probably didn't mind it there anyway.

-- MWE

199. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:22 PM (#4100582)

The battle for last is on!

200. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 08, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4100584)

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