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   1. villageidiom Posted: May 02, 2016 at 01:15 PM (#5210126)
This is a FUN team to watch.

I was talking with a Yankees fan friend* the other day, and he was lamenting how painful it is to watch the Yankees these days. They aren't scoring runs; the pitching isn't nearly as good as hoped; and they finally look old, after a decade of being old but not looking it.

The Red Sox right now are the opposite of that. The catcher is picking off runners at first, and shaking off a pitcher shaking him off, and - in the parlance of the thread - gettin' it done. The baserunners are successfully aggressive. The defense is good. The old guys are hitting, the young guys are hitting. Good times.

* No, it's not an oxymoron. This happens a lot in CT, on the front lines of the rivalry.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 02, 2016 at 01:27 PM (#5210144)
That was the thing that really jumped out at me at the game on Friday. This Yankee team just looks so moribund. There just wasn't anyone able to give them a spark. A lot of that is the absence of offense but there is just no there there. I kind of wonder if they need to get Judge or Refsnyder up but neither guy is really tearing it up.
   3. covelli chris p Posted: May 02, 2016 at 01:33 PM (#5210156)
the thing about the yankees is that their young players aren't really young or exciting. they are all old enough to have been given extended looks from their first organization, maybe had some success, but in the end the team decided to move on. no homegrown talent at all right now. though i guess they have a few guys on the way?
   4. toratoratora Posted: May 02, 2016 at 08:24 PM (#5210567)
The GiF of that shakeoff is awesome.
You'd never guess it was a rook behind the plate if you didn't know the backstory
   5. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 02, 2016 at 08:40 PM (#5210579)
Speaking of getting it done Pablo Sandoval is having surgery on his shoulder. Peter Abraham is saying it's unlikely he will play again this year.
   6. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 04, 2016 at 10:27 AM (#5212117)
Encouraging to see Carson Smith pitch well last night. He really changes that bullpen. I was a bit skeptical of the bullpen when the year started but with Hembree looking sharp, Barnes making progress and Ross pitching well I think there is more depth than I anticipated.
   7. jmurph Posted: May 04, 2016 at 10:35 AM (#5212130)
I wish we had more Yankees threads so we could all do some concern trolling. I don't for the life of me understand what their plan is to actually win baseball games anytime soon. Which is great!
   8. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 07, 2016 at 12:45 AM (#5215278)
Just to calm myself down so I can sleep tonight, five things I liked about Friday's game/screw job;

1. Another strong outing from Porcello when this time I don't think he had his best stuff.

2. Base runners ho! The sox had people on base all night. Leaving 13 men on base sucks but if we keep getting base runners like that good things will happen.

3. Josh Rutledge a pinch hit. He seems like he's making himself a useful 25th man.

4. Hanley Ramirez started a DP for the first time, yet another datapoint in his ongoing performance.

5. They pressured Betances and Miller. The result was ultimately disappointing but I liked them making great pitchers work.
   9. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: May 07, 2016 at 04:34 AM (#5215315)
Gardner is homegrown. But Crispy's point stands.

I know Red Sox fans married to Yankee fans. About half of my IRL friends are Red Sox fans (less now; my new job is close to NYC as opposed to the DMZ of Central Connecticut).
   10. Darren Posted: May 07, 2016 at 10:42 AM (#5215368)
So what got Ortiz tossed last night. In the replays, I saw him walking to the dugout, then he had been ejected and came flying out to yell at the ump. It seemed odd that he was so restrained as he left but whatever he did in the dugout got him kicked out.

What a game. The K-Zone or whatever it is seemed off for much of the game. Kulpa still seemed like he was calling a terrible game. The 3-1 pitch, though better than it looked according to K zone and the angled replays, is a pitch you never see called a strike.

Porcello had another fine, if not spectacular, outing. But he sure does seem to throw a ton of pitches in the middle of the plate.
   11. covelli chris p Posted: May 11, 2016 at 11:19 PM (#5219279)
when does jbj get moved up from the 9 spot in the lineup? holy #### he's on fire!!!
   12. Dan Posted: May 11, 2016 at 11:21 PM (#5219282)
when does jbj get moved up from the 9 spot in the lineup? holy #### he's on fire!!!


Knowing Farrell, he will likely say that Bradley is succeeding because he is hitting 9th. So he won't move.
   13. villageidiom Posted: May 12, 2016 at 08:56 AM (#5219389)
JBJ has 28 RBI, good for 7th in MLB. Of those, 19 RBI have come from the 9th spot in the order. That's like a full-season total from the 9-spot, isn't it?
   14. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 12, 2016 at 09:04 AM (#5219396)
when does jbj get moved up from the 9 spot in the lineup? holy #### he's on fire!!!


The scary part is there really isn't anyone who needs to move down. I think the Sox like a lot of teams enjoy having their #9 hitter as a "second lead off hitter." I guess you could switch JBJ and Holt but I wouldn't be a rush to change, there is no one really not hitting and they are scoring runs like crazy. Something will change as the year goes on right now it's working pretty well.

Ideally JBJ looks like a guy who could be a real weapon hitting second with someone like Mookie ahead of him but with Pedroia and Bogaerts obviously that's not an option.

The one thing they should do is move Hanigan behind him on days he starts. Hanigan looks like he couldn't hit .250 off a tee right now.
   15. Textbook Editor Posted: May 12, 2016 at 10:25 AM (#5219470)
I'm too lazy to look but didn't Mueller bat 9th most games in 2003-2004 and almost (or did?) win a batting title?

I'm fine with the "2nd leadoff man" concept, as having him on base ahead of the 1-4 hitters is certainly a good thing. And I agree with Jose that it's not like anyone needs to move down.

If Vasquez can be even a .250 hitter we could have a hell of a C tandem if we get Swihart back and assuming a C/LF role (like Schwarber, but a more adequate C). I'm guessing as soon as they feel Swihart is comfortable enough to play LF that Hanigan may be put on the trade block.

   16. Chip Posted: May 12, 2016 at 11:25 AM (#5219549)
Cubs and Mets both may be looking for catchers.
   17. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 12, 2016 at 11:40 AM (#5219567)
I'm too lazy to look but didn't Mueller bat 9th most games in 2003-2004 and almost (or did?) win a batting title?


He mostly batted 2nd, 7th, or 8th. And yes, he did win in 2003.
   18. Textbook Editor Posted: May 12, 2016 at 03:04 PM (#5219867)
#17--Thanks. It's possible I was thinking of Reggie Jefferson batting 9th a lot the season he almost had enough PA to qualify for the batting title...
   19. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 12, 2016 at 03:16 PM (#5219879)
#17--Thanks. It's possible I was thinking of Reggie Jefferson batting 9th a lot the season he almost had enough PA to qualify for the batting title...


Mueller often hit ninth during the 2004 postseason.

   20. villageidiom Posted: May 12, 2016 at 05:16 PM (#5219982)
#17--Thanks. It's possible I was thinking of Reggie Jefferson batting 9th a lot the season he almost had enough PA to qualify for the batting title...


1996 Reggie Jefferson, batting 9th: 7 games, 0 games started, 7 PA.

That aside, I'm with you. I recall someone hitting well in the 9th spot around that time. Maybe it's what SoSH U suggested.
   21. covelli chris p Posted: May 12, 2016 at 05:34 PM (#5219996)
it was varitek. he hit pretty well in '03, and the bottom of the order was nixon, mueller, and varitek.
   22. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 12, 2016 at 09:12 PM (#5220074)
It was hard not to have a good hitter batting ninth in 2003. That team raked.
   23. Darren Posted: May 12, 2016 at 09:26 PM (#5220079)
The 2007 team had Julio Lugo playing SS. They had dealt Arroyo for Wily Mo. They had made the disastrous Josh Beckett trade.
Winning a championship didn't make any of these good ideas.
   24. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 12, 2016 at 10:08 PM (#5220091)
So the Red Sox are hitting baseballs fairly well right now.
   25. Textbook Editor Posted: May 12, 2016 at 10:42 PM (#5220108)
They had dealt Arroyo for Wily Mo.


In an alternate universe, Arroyo wins WS in 2004, 2007, and 2013 with the Red Sox, and is as beloved as Wakefield is, instead of being seen as a journeyman innings-eater...
   26. covelli chris p Posted: May 12, 2016 at 11:22 PM (#5220131)
In an alternate universe, Arroyo wins WS in 2004, 2007, and 2013 with the Red Sox, and is as beloved as Wakefield is, instead of being seen as a journeyman innings-eater...
we'll always have this!
   27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 12, 2016 at 11:26 PM (#5220134)
And the slap.
   28. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 13, 2016 at 11:06 AM (#5220376)
I really thought that Arroyo trade was going to be a winner. I thought the Sox had traded high and landed a 35 home run guy in return. Oops.

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