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1. tjm1 Posted: May 15, 2010 at 12:10 PM (#3533471)Interesting question to ponder. Personally, I don't think he'd be worth that much today, now that folks are more hip to OBP. Keep in mind that Kingman's real problem wasn't his strikeouts; though well publicized during his playing days, Kingman, in fact, was the league leader in K's in only three of his sixteen seasons. Kingman's problem was that he rarely got on base; his lifetime Batting Average was .236, while his career OBP was only .302 (just for comparision's sake, Ortiz going into 2010 had never had a season with more than 25 Plate Appearances where his OBP was less than .324; Ortiz's career OBP is .375). In his final season Kingman, despite hitting 35 Home Runs, posted an OPS+ of 90; as bad as he's been, Ortiz's OPS+ so far this season is 100.
Obviously this is all just speculation, and there's no telling what size contract any one GM might give to any random player, but in my humble opinion I don't think Kingman rakes in the big bucks on today's open market.
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He's 61. Don't give Sabean any ideas.
I'm fairly confident that in this instance they will begin to swing earlier in the count.
I hope so. It was painful watching some of those meatballs float by.
Dave was a jerk. Dave was a sh#tty baserunner. Adam is neither of those
Do you know Adam Dunn? He doesn't even like baseball
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Als0, look at Papi 2009 vs 2010 (99 PA)
2010 213/283/483/766 6 HR, 15 RBI 34 K
2009 230/290/333/623 0 HR, 12 RBI 22 K
I like this start better, even with 12 more k's
JD Drew through 99 PA
2010 214/306/440/747 5 HR, 14 RBI, 29 K
Think JD is gong to strike out 180 times?. No way.
Papi leads the league in pitches per PA (50 or more PA) at 4.5 P/PA, so he is contributing to getting to the other teams BP a bit quicker. The state of some teams middle relief is a horror, so this is important for a teams overall offenseive production.
Also, in case anyone has not noticed it, the average DH so far in 2010 is hitting 237/322/393/715
Only 3 teams have a DH hitting significantly better than the slumping Papi (KCR, TEX, BAL). There are a couple of teams who might as well let the pitchers hit.
*EDIT*
I think that there are times that an 0-4 from your DH represents a contribution, because you've given someone unexpected ABs, kept a catcher from squatting for three hours, etc.
So:
Only 3 teams have a DH hitting significantly better than the slumping Papi (KCR, TEX, BAL).
may be true, but it isn't the same as "only three teams use their DH spot more efficiently."
K rate stabilizes pretty quickly.
The odd thing about this is that aside from 18 games in the AL in 1977 (10 as an Angel, 8 as a Yankee, during which he got 2 PA in Fenway and hit .500/.500/2.000), he was an NL player until 1984 with Oakland. So he compiled those absurd Fenway numbers (.276/.345/.816 in 84 PAs) mostly when he was a .239/.296/.450 hitter (his three year line with Oakland)
Ortiz had a very nice showing in that nightmare of a game last night. He looked like the .330 version of Big Papi, going with the pitch for a couple of singles in key situations. 2 Ks though. :)
Also, in case anyone has not noticed it, the average DH so far in 2010 is hitting 237/322/393/715
So how many PA does Papi have by the middle innings? 2? 3? So that 9 to 13 pitches on his part. The typical hitter is going to see 6 to 10 pitches by that point. Papi ain't doing jack by sitting on pitches in terms of getting to middle relief. If he wants to help his team get to middle relief quicker then he should hit more home runs.
EDIT: This was, of course, unnecessarily snarky, and TVE's underlying point that the DH slot can allow you to give somewhat more rest to aging players is fairly taken - though I think the effect is only a small one. I just wanted to snark at the hilarious love affair of Yankee fans with their backup catcher's obvious fluke 60 PA.
And Mike Crudale.
You didn't enjoy this team having Willis/Lester and Galaraga/Lackey matchups and losing, not one, but both of them? One with a massive collapse that included ANOTHER runner being gunned out at home easily?
He's planning on a bout of ferocious flatulence during the flight to New York.
Also, a corollary to the lack of command: inability to close out batters after getting to two strikes against them. The incredibly long AB by the execrable Avila which resulted in a walk being the salient example.
The whole performance was what you'd expect from a AAA callup, not a blue chip veteran.
It's not terribly rare. The 08 Yankees did it (by 1/2 game over Chicago), as did the 07 Padres (over the Cubs). But the 08 NL season, when the top four teams in the NL Central finished with a better mark than the NL West champion is going to be tough to do in a full season. That leaves out the strike-shortened '94 season, when every team in both the AL East and AL Central divisions finished with better WP's than the team leading the AL West.
I am waiting anxiously for Papelbon's next game against the Yankees!
I barely even have the energy for it anymore. I can't possibly imagine that there's any doubt that he's among the worst baseball players ever.
I'm not sure the Blue Jays have the pitching to sustain their current .575 winning pct vs. the Rangers bolstering their line up from the farm...
I'm more concerned about the Jays offense collapsing than their pitching. They're scoring 5 runs a game on a 0.244 BA and 0.314 OBP, and (after Wells) the offense has been largely driven Bautista, Buck, and Gonzalez. There's no way that they can keep up that pace.
As unhappy as I've been with the season as a whole, I'm starting to get a little giddy about Ortiz, thinking he may end up with a .900 OPS.
On the other hand, Adam Lind hasn't started hitting yet and Snider started showing signs right before his injury (dude has some bad luck). I don't think the offense will keep this up but this team is better than what some projection systems said. Romero and Marcum could be a formidable front of the rotation for a few years. And I like that Morrow deal.
I agree with this.
And I like that Morrow deal.
I hate this deal. Not because I miss League (who I also hated), but because Morrow is just incredibly frustrating to watch - every count goes to 3-2, and he's already had several walk-the-ballpark starts. The guy just has no idea where the ball is going once it leaves his hand.
Remember though, that these are the stats of "Platoon Papi", and a bit phonied-up for that reason. I can live with them.
So then in the 9th when the tying run is at the plate in Bill Hall, with a lefty with a good slider on the mound (Romero), Lowell is already used, so Ortiz is the PH option available. I can't possibly imagine a worse way to deploy these players given this game and the situations presented.
2004, first 135 PA: .256 .333 .529 with 13 BB and 33 K
2010, first 134 PA: .258 .328 .550 with 13 BB and 40 K
I'm really having to restrain myself from thinking that he is back in a major way.
During the Red Sox current hot streak, Ortz is hitting 409/480/909 with three walks and only two strikeouts.
Should make for an interesting off-season.
EDIT: Oh wait! They have a 2011 option.
Here's the other thing. He was only actually bad between July 08 and May 09. Everything else fits into his career fairly well, if you account for some expected dropoff because of age.
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