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Sunday, July 15, 2018

Halfwayish Home

So with the Sox at the “halfway” point of the season (98/162=50%?) let’s catch up a bit.

MVP - Mookie Betts - I mean this isn’t really a tough one. JD Martinez has been great and Xander Bogaerts and Andrew Benintendi are having great years also but Mookie has been something special. He may not be the best player in baseball but is he the best five tool player? (What kind of arm does Trout have? I don’t have a sense of that). It’s worth taking a moment to sit back and just appreciate what we are seeing.

Cy Young - Chris Sale - As dominant as he was last year his ERA at the break was half a run worse at midseason than it is right now. I feel like his performances haven’t been as electrifying but he’s just been steadily dominant.

Best Surprise - Xander Bogaerts; Slugger - Finally the Sox are getting the player we were promised all those years ago.  I think Xander had to adjust after his 2014 hand injury and had such good success in 2015 that he was loathe to change back to the power hitter he was.  The Sox (Tim Hyers I guess deserves credit) have got him back driving the ball regularly.

Biggest Disappointment - Base running - For all the talk that Alex Cora would clean up some of the sloppiness the Sox have been worse base running this year than last. The Sox have gone from 8th to 18th in FanGraphs’ BsR and beyond that jibes with my general perception of a lot of really poor decisions and misreads on the bases.

Much Ado About Nothing - What will we do when Dustin Pedroia comes back? -  You know I’m too depressed about this to really talk about it.  This has the feel of Nomar in 2004, it’s just weird that this special team doesn’t have the guy who has been such a big part for so long is just a small disappointment.

Best Moment - Bobby Poyner winning the home opener - It’s funny, I feel like there haven’t been a lot of amazing moments, just a stream of endless destruction laid on the American League.  Seeing surprising Opening Day roster pitcher Bobby Poyner pick up his first MLB win in the Home Opener was pretty nifty.

Dumbest Moment - Carson Smith injures himself throwing his glove. - Nice going moron.

Crazy Stat - 9 Grand Slams - What else is there to say? The team record is 11 (2005) but with 64 games to go the Sox have a very real chance to break that particular mark.

3 Questions for the second “half”;

1 - Who provides the relief? The Sox bullpen has been an exercise in frustration the last couple of years.  After a fast start Joe Kelly has returned to earth while Brandon Workman has pitched his way into the mix for key innings.  It’s hard not to imagine Dave Dombrowski swinging a deal for a Ziegler/Reed type addition once again.

2 - Can the infield defense strengthen? The Sox are not a strong defensive team on the infield.  A world where Eduardo Nunez and Rafael Devers are playing regularly is not one that is reminiscent of the 2000 Mets.  Devers has great range and some improvement as he settles in is not unreasonable.  Seeing Brock Holt get more playing time at second base in lieu of Nunez would not surprise me.

3 - Can Drew Pomeranz contribute?  Pomeranz may be a guy that changes this team dramatically.  The 17 game winner in 2017 has been effectively absent (and ineffectively present when healthy) most of 2018. With the news on Eduardo Rodriguez looking not great after Saturday’s collision Pomeranz is a guy that the Sox could really use.

Top 5 Games of the year (chronological)

April 5 TB 2 at Boston 3 (12) - The home opener had a dramatic comeback, a walk off hit and was a tone setter for a season that the Sox have dominated at Fenway so far.

April 8 TB 7 at Boston 8 - The Sox wrapped up that first home series with a truly spectacular come back.  A six run eighth inning turned around a 7-2 deficit and Craig Kimbrel sealed the victory.

May 10 Boston 5 at New York 4 - The Sox have not exactly faced a ton of adversity in 2018.  There was some after a couple of disappointing close losses in the Bronx.  A strong start from Eduardo Rodriguez went by the wayside when the bullpen squandered a 4-0 lead.  JD Martinez cures all though and his fly ball to right eluded Aaron Judge’s leap for the game winner.

June 2 Boston 5 at Houston 4 - Another case of turning around a series against a good team.  After losing the first two in Houston the Sox trailed 3-1 as Justin Verlander outdueled David Price.  The Sox struck for one in the sixth then got homers from Christian Vazquez and Andrew Benintendi in the seventh for the win.

June 22 Seattle 10 at Boston 14 - Certainly the wildest game of the year.  It wasn’t working for Steven Wright (life with the knuckleball) and the Sox trailed 4-0 before getting to bat.  No sweat, the Sox scored 5 in the bottom of the first, then Wright kept getting pounded and the Sox were down 10-5 in the fourth.  The Sox demonstrated their league leading run production by pounding away at Seattle pitchers and had the game salted away after a five run seventh.

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   1. SandyRiver Posted: July 16, 2018 at 08:34 AM (#5710438)
I might add Mookie's slam on the 13th pitch of the AB, though there's some recency bias. And it's odd that the team runs into so many outs on hits while being so successful with SB. Betts-Benni-Bradley are a combined 46-of-49, an awesome 94%.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: July 16, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5710445)
And it was nice on the final day of the first half they got to the only need to play .500 ball the rest of the way for the elusive 100 position.

   3. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 16, 2018 at 11:27 AM (#5710525)
Trout vs Betts

Nice article on ESPN comparing Betts and Trout's hitting. One thing I liked:

Trout's OPS in all two-strike counts is 227 points higher than the league average with two strikes, and the 34th best (minimum 150 two-strike plate appearances) since 1988. Betts' two-strike numbers are otherworldly: This year he has been arguably the best two-strike hitter in history, with a .328/.401/.634 slash line that is better (relative to the league) than anybody on record.

   4. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 16, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5710538)
Dammit I did the math wrong when I was writing this. I wanted to mention the .500 to 100 connection.
   5. jmurph Posted: July 16, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5710566)
It’s worth taking a moment to sit back and just appreciate what we are seeing.

I've probably posted some version of this multiple times before, but Betts is probably the second most delightful Red Sox player of my lifetime and I think he probably has a chance to pass Pedro on my list, if only because he plays everyday. I don't often have this thought about athletes but I feel genuinely lucky to be able to watch that guy play for the team I care about.
   6. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 16, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5710647)
I've probably posted some version of this multiple times before, but Betts is probably the second most delightful Red Sox player of my lifetime and I think he probably has a chance to pass Pedro on my list, if only because he plays everyday. I don't often have this thought about athletes but I feel genuinely lucky to be able to watch that guy play for the team I care about.


Totally agree, that smile is infectious. I love Pedroia, but I completely understand why someone wouldn't care for him. Betts is sports-unhatable.
   7. jmurph Posted: July 17, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5711109)
Alex Speier @alexspeier
In @peteabe’s story on Mitch Moreland: “Mookie [Betts] was over there like, ‘I know you’re older than me, but I’m proud of you, man.’ I’m like, ‘Shut up, Mookie.’ But it’s cool to have those guys behind me.”

This is an enjoyable team.
   8. Darren Posted: July 20, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5713014)
I usually hate a 4-day All-Star break but this year, it's good. We can just sit back and soak in a 4 1/2 game lead without worrying about who's pitching today.

It sounds like the Sox are looking for a reliever right now and waiting a bit on a starter and a 2b. That looks like the right approach. There's a chance that Pomeranz, after a nice start this week, will be ready and we won't need a starter. They may also get some good news on Pedroia, and Holt is probably as good as you'll find out there without breaking the bank. It doesn't seem likely that any reliever will emerge enough between now and the deadline to be certain the pen is okay. Who will they deal? Beeks? That'd be a shame but he does seem to fit with DD's gameplan for who to trade.

   9. Darren Posted: July 20, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5713015)
Also, what happened to all of our Yankee-fan friends who like to frequent ST? It seems that something, not sure what, but something has kept them away in recent weeks.
   10. Darren Posted: July 20, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5713019)
Here's a crazy nutso trade idea that I haven't thought through at all: David Price for Jason Heyward. Heyward is owed 5/$106MM after this season, Price 4/$127MM. Both could use a change of scenery. Cubs could use the pitching, Sox could use a $10MM+/year cut to their AAV payroll. Sox could then deal Bradley.

Probably works better at the end of the year, after both have turned down their opt outs.
   11. jmurph Posted: July 20, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5713038)
Here's a crazy nutso trade idea that I haven't thought through at all: David Price for Jason Heyward. Heyward is owed 5/$106MM after this season, Price 4/$127MM. Both could use a change of scenery. Cubs could use the pitching, Sox could use a $10MM+/year cut to their AAV payroll. Sox could then deal Bradley.

Probably works better at the end of the year, after both have turned down their opt outs.

Darren I hate this idea so much.
   12. Darren Posted: July 20, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5713042)
How so?
   13. jmurph Posted: July 20, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5713053)
I was being intentionally dramatic, but honestly I just still like Price, and never understood the Heyward thing even back when he was supposedly good (don't know anything about him personally, I'm sure he's fine).
   14. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 20, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5713114)
Price has value, Hayward really doesn’t, at least to the Sox. Heyward doesn’t really give us anything we don’t already get with JBJ and Price may not be worth the money either but he’s a serviceable starter. If the Sox make this deal they are creating a hole in the rotation that doesnt currently exist.
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 20, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5713118)
Unrelated to that I went to a Gulf Coast League game at JetBlue on Tuesday. It was a fun experience. My fathers count was 32 fans not including scouts and players sitting in the stands. No charge to get in but no concessions so forgetting to bring water was a mistake. Kind of cool to see though. They did t even have the scoreboard working so when the Sox worked a walk off walk it quickly became clear that the umpires did t realize that the game was over.
   16. John DiFool2 Posted: July 20, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5713284)
I've probably posted some version of this multiple times before, but Betts is probably the second most delightful Red Sox player of my lifetime and I think he probably has a chance to pass Pedro on my list, if only because he plays everyday. I don't often have this thought about athletes but I feel genuinely lucky to be able to watch that guy play for the team I care about.

Totally agree, that smile is infectious. I love Pedroia, but I completely understand why someone wouldn't care for him. Betts is sports-unhatable.


Nomar is still my #1, Pedroia #2, tho at the rate Mookie is going...

As discussed in an earlier thread, Nomar seems to have fallen off of everyone's radar. I recall many people back then being in total awe of what he was doing, no less than they are w.r.t. Mookie. The way he got tossed oh so casually out of town, right before the Curse got nuked to oblivion, has obscured just how special and exciting he was there for a few years. If he hadn't gotten injured we likely would have seen him easily break Jimmie Foxx's Red Sox XBH seasonal record (92-Nomar got to 85 twice)-seemed like EVERY ball he hit was a laser somewhere.
   17. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 23, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5714061)
Here's a crazy nutso trade idea that I haven't thought through at all: David Price for Jason Heyward. Heyward is owed 5/$106MM after this season, Price 4/$127MM. Both could use a change of scenery. Cubs could use the pitching, Sox could use a $10MM+/year cut to their AAV payroll. Sox could then deal Bradley.

Cubs fan perspective: pass.

The Cubs could definitely use more productive pitching than they've gotten lately, but they really don't have the room for another high priced starter (which is in a way a different type of problem, as they're locked into their starting rotation for the next 3 years). Take Chatwood too and maybe we're talking (that evens out the money at least). Heyward is overpaid, but going down to only $20mil/yr the next 5 isn't as bad as the $27mil/yr he's made these first 3 years.

don't know anything about him personally, I'm sure he's fine

The main reason he hasn't become a public pariah is because he really does seem like a good dude who tries really hard and never complains or appears to not be trying. He earned a lot of goodwill (and mystique) with his "rain delay" speech. Darvish has been booed more as a Cubs than Heyward, I think.
   18. villageidiom Posted: July 23, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5714087)
I've probably posted some version of this multiple times before, but Betts is probably the second most delightful Red Sox player of my lifetime and I think he probably has a chance to pass Pedro on my list, if only because he plays everyday.


1. Pedro, by far. Like Secretariat-at-the-Belmont-Stakes far.
2. Mookie.
3. It's going to be strange reading this, but... Koji.
4. Ortiz.
5. Nomar.
6. Pedroia, falling fast.
7. Wakefield.
8. Clemens. Was 1st for a long time, but fell.
9. Evans. 80s Red Sox were good but not really fun. Evans avoided outs and OMG that RF arm.
10. Eckersley, the starter.

If JBJ learns to be a consistent hitter he'd be in the top 10, probably top 3. Otherwise he's kinda like Manny: sooo much fun at his best, infuriating at his worst.
   19. jmurph Posted: July 23, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5714122)
1. Pedro, by far. Like Secretariat-at-the-Belmont-Stakes far.
2. Mookie.
3. It's going to be strange reading this, but... Koji.
4. Ortiz.
5. Nomar.
6. Pedroia, falling fast.
7. Wakefield.
8. Clemens. Was 1st for a long time, but fell.
9. Evans. 80s Red Sox were good but not really fun. Evans avoided outs and OMG that RF arm.
10. Eckersley, the starter.

If JBJ learns to be a consistent hitter he'd be in the top 10, probably top 3. Otherwise he's kinda like Manny: sooo much fun at his best, infuriating at his worst.

I loved watching Manny hit so much that he'd still be in there for me.

Nomar was great, DiFool makes some good points above. The other thing is he was the post-Clemens star that instantly became the favorite for a lot of people (although that might be selling Mo Vaughn short a bit?).
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 23, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5714123)
Also, what happened to all of our Yankee-fan friends who like to frequent ST? It seems that something, not sure what, but something has kept them away in recent weeks.

We've been cowering in our storm cellars waiting for Jacob deGrom to rescue us.

I've probably posted some version of this multiple times before, but Betts is probably the second most delightful Red Sox player of my lifetime and I think he probably has a chance to pass Pedro on my list, if only because he plays everyday. I don't often have this thought about athletes but I feel genuinely lucky to be able to watch that guy play for the team I care about.

From a Yankees fan who's only rooted for the Sox in September once in his life (1967), these would be my 10 favorite Red Sox players since then. I got to see Williams play quite a few times and admired the hell out of his hitting, but I didn't really appreciate him until after he retired. And Yaz was just creepy.

Anyhoo, it's a Core Seven and then three more to fill in the list:

Mookie
Papi
Henderson**
Pedro
Looie
Manny
Petunia (an acquired taste for a Yankees fan, but I grew to love his grit)

[gap]

Spaceman
EDIT: Make that Evans
Xander
Wakefield (and only partly for that reason)

** Who could've been elected Mayor of Boston if not for Schiraldi, Stanley and Buckner. Has there ever been a player who came up with two such incredibly clutch home runs in two consecutive postseason series?
   21. villageidiom Posted: July 23, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5714139)
Just to be clear, my favorite player when I was younger was Jim Rice. But I wouldn't have ever described him as "delightful". That's how Koji made the list for me, and as high as he did. He wasn't with the team for long, but in that time he was both great and spirited. He was fun to watch. Papelbon was fun, too, but not in a way I'd describe as "delightful".
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: July 23, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5714204)
He wasn't with the team for long, but in that time he was both great and spirited.


He also was not frightening to look at, which gave him a huge edge on his 2013 teammates.

   23. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 23, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5714209)
Hmmm.
1. Pedro, with a bullet. Possibly my favorite player of all time.
2. Ortiz. Easily one of my five favorite players of all time.
3. MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK.
4. Pedroia.
5. Manny.
6. Wakefield.
7. Nomah.
8. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUK.
9. Trot Nixon.
10. Curt Schilling, but with a mandated amnesia about his post-playing days.
   24. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 23, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5714221)
HOW HAS NO ONE MENTIONED THE ONE AND ONLY FRED LYNN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
   25. jmurph Posted: July 23, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5714224)
HOW HAS NO ONE MENTIONED THE ONE AND ONLY FRED LYNN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Cough, you're old, cough.
   26. jmurph Posted: July 23, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5714227)
Totally fine with the direction of the thread but when I said "delightful" upthread I mostly meant "brings me joy" not so much plays with joy. But either way!
   27. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 23, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5714228)
In some order, and it depends on a variety of factors;

Lynn
Clemens
Nomar
Pedro
Pedroia
Ortiz
Wake
Mookie
Yaz (yeah yeah I'm old shut up)
Luis*

* I'm sure I've shared this but I've had the opportunity to meet Luis socially on several occasions. He is every bit the person you see on TV. Incredibly nice, funny and generous.

I also like vi's point about Koji. Dude had something special to him.
   28. karlmagnus Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5714267)
Jose, I too am old enough to have Luis on my list (I think that makes us just a little older than having Lynn, though I haven't had the joy of meeting him) but how can you possibly not have Manny? As spectators, we never saw him biff the traveling secretary (and personally I strongly doubt that story) but we DID see him high-five a spectator in the middle of a double play. Yaz never did that!
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5714274)
As spectators, we never saw him biff the traveling secretary (and personally I strongly doubt that story)


If Manny had known that, maybe he wouldn't have gone to the trouble of apologizing to him in 2014.

   30. villageidiom Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5714290)
I honestly don't remember much of Tiant from his Red Sox playing days. I remember the windup, and I remember the smile. I don't remember ever having any amount of giddy anticipation of him, which is what I think of with the jmurph premise. Likewise with Lynn and Yaz. Had I been paying attention several years earlier, or not so focused on the 1978 AL MVP with my fandom, I don't know how I wouldn't include them.

For position players my top 10 involves players who delighted me on offense and defense. (Before you quibble on Ortiz, DH is not a position.) Other than the high-five double play, Manny generally didn't delight me on defense. On offense, though, hoo boy every PA got me giddy at the start.

It's probably worth mentioning that the number of Boston players who brought me joy number as the stars in the sky, including the ones who I just said I don't have much memory of. My point is that (a) it takes a lot to get into my top 10 and (b) #2 is a lot closer to #10 than to #1.
   31. jmurph Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5714311)
Jogging my memory with the help of BBRef, there was kind of a drought in position players worth getting excited about in the first half of the 90s. Vaughn was probably the guy, and I was always into Valentin. We'd get the random young guys like Cooper to get excited about and then they'd fizzle out. Some old guy imports in Dawnson and Clark, Canseco, etc. I guess that should have been Greenwell's time, and maybe still was to some extent.
   32. villageidiom Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5714317)
Because this is such a good side discussion I think it warrants its own thread, and not just one on a Sox-centric blog. So I've posted another thread. (Don't let it derail the discussion here.)
   33. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5714318)
No love for the Clutch God who saved the Sox from a humiliating 4-1 loss in the '86 LCS, and then delivered a 10th inning homer that would've won the Series for them if the bullpen and Buckner hadn't conspired to blow it?

(Okay, I guess you have to be close to 40 to remember that postseason, but still....)
   34. dave h Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5714321)
1. Pedro, by far. Like Secretariat-at-the-Belmont-Stakes far.
2. Mookie.
3. It's going to be strange reading this, but... Koji.
4. Ortiz.
5. Nomar.
6. Pedroia, falling fast.
7. Wakefield.
8. Clemens. Was 1st for a long time, but fell.
9. Evans. 80s Red Sox were good but not really fun. Evans avoided outs and OMG that RF arm.
10. Eckersley, the starter.


This is very similar to my list. I named my son after Pedro, my cat after Nomar. Liked Koji (I still occasionally watch the Victorino high five gif). Evans was one of my favorites growing up, along with Marty Barrett. I wouldn't have Mookie quite so high yet, although he's one of the first I've seen from the start (saw him in AA in his breakout to full prospect season).
   35. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 23, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5714331)
No love for the Clutch God who saved the Sox from a humiliating 4-1 loss in the '86 LCS, and then delivered a 10th inning homer that would've won the Series for them if the bullpen and Buckner hadn't conspired to blow it?


Those two moments with Hendu were amazing but they were also pretty much the sum total of Hendu's contribution to the club. He didn't really play all that well and he was with the club less than a year. It's not quite a perfect comp (Hendu's heroics were more dramatic) but if you are looking for a similar comp from recent years it's probably the generally forgotten Todd Walker who raked in the 2003 post-season and potentially would've been ALCS MVP if not for the unpleasantness of game seven.

   36. SandyRiver Posted: July 23, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5714359)
** Who could've been elected Mayor of Boston if not for Schiraldi, Stanley and Buckner. Has there ever been a player who came up with two such incredibly clutch home runs in two consecutive postseason series?

I'd substitute Gedman for Stanley. Unless Stanley crossed him up, Gedman should have easily caught the "wild pitch" that allowed the tying run to score. I gave up on that game right there; Buckner only put it out of it's misery.

Ortiz has been my favorite Sox player since the 2004 PS, though not by much over Pedro and with Mookie coming on fast.
   37. plink Posted: July 23, 2018 at 05:53 PM (#5714411)
1. Brian Daubach
2. David Ortiz
3. Tim Wakefield
4. A whole mess of players, including Pedro, Mookie, Rice, Boggs, Reggie Jefferson, and Brock Holt.
   38. villageidiom Posted: July 24, 2018 at 08:56 AM (#5714708)
(Don't let it derail the discussion here.)
Aaaaaand it appears that it has done just that. Sorry.

Anyway, looking at Jose's 3 questions:

1 - Who provides the relief? The players they have. The team always gets to the deadline looking like they could use some relief help, with the bullpen trending worse. But offense always gets stronger in the summer, so we should expect pitching to get worse in July.

2 - Can the infield defense strengthen? Not without replacing Nunez. Let's face it: Devers is not going anywhere. At this point the only avenue to improvement - the best avenue - is an upgrade on Nunez. I'd like to think some combination of Holt and Lin can handle 2B.

3 - Can Drew Pomeranz contribute? YES.
   39. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 24, 2018 at 09:25 AM (#5714721)
Weather permitting we can start getting our answer on Pomeranz tonight.
   40. toratoratora Posted: July 24, 2018 at 06:43 PM (#5715272)
-Pedro-My favorite player ever
-Tiant-Loved to watch him pitch
-Papi
-Manny
-Trot
-Mook
-Rocket
-The Hobbit
-Boggs
-Barrett
-(For a few years) Can.
   41. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 24, 2018 at 08:35 PM (#5715335)
So the Sox are at this moment 71-31. They need to go 46-14 to set the all time wins record. That's going to be tough to pull off. On the other hand, the franchise win record is 105, so they only need to go 35-25 to top that.
   42. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 25, 2018 at 07:53 AM (#5715467)
-Barrett
-(For a few years) Can.


That's two good catches right there. Marty was a fun dude to watch and Oil Can was like a poor man's Luis. I went to Game Six of the 1986 ALCS and after the game we stayed and chanted "Oil Can! Oil Can" until he came out of the clubhouse in his civvies and ran up and down the left field line high fiving people.
   43. dave h Posted: July 25, 2018 at 09:28 AM (#5715496)
Oil Can did a barnstorming tour about a decade ago, and he was coming through New Haven. I convinced a bunch of people to go, so a girl from lab and I skipped out of work to go get tickets. Unfortunately, the game was rained out and not rescheduled. However, the errand to get tickets was fun and I'm now married to the girl, with three kids. Still wish I got to see Oil Can though.
   44. SoSH U at work Posted: July 25, 2018 at 09:40 AM (#5715501)
-(For a few years) Can.


I loved the Can. And I always wish he'd gotten the call in Game 7 rather than short-rested Hurst.

   45. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 25, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5715504)

Oil Can did a barnstorming tour about a decade ago, and he was coming through New Haven. I convinced a bunch of people to go, so a girl from lab and I skipped out of work to go get tickets. Unfortunately, the game was rained out and not rescheduled. However, the errand to get tickets was fun and I'm now married to the girl, with three kids. Still wish I got to see Oil Can though.


Wow, you don't get to see Oil Can AND you get stuck with three sets of college tuitions. What a terrible day.
   46. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5715556)
Sox have added Nathan Eovaldi in exchange for Jalen Beeks.
   47. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5715569)
Sox have added Nathan Eovaldi in exchange for Jalen Beeks.


Huh. Good? Eovaldi clearly has more potential to contribute this year, and I guess I should be thinking WS, so I guess that's means it's a good trade.
   48. villageidiom Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5715592)
Is that a necessary move? I can understand the notion of selling high on Beeks - his HR rate won't play at the MLB level - but for 2 months of Eovaldi? One might argue 3 months given the chances of significant October ball, but does anyone think Eovaldi will see meaningful time in October on this roster?
   49. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5715620)
Is that a necessary move? I can understand the notion of selling high on Beeks - his HR rate won't play at the MLB level - but for 2 months of Eovaldi? One might argue 3 months given the chances of significant October ball, but does anyone think Eovaldi will see meaningful time in October on this roster?


Any reason he couldn't transition to the bullpen? He's got the requisite 95+ MPH fastball. I am assuming that's the thought process. Either that or coming in to relieve David Price in the 2nd or 3rd inning of whatever playoff games he starts...
   50. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 25, 2018 at 12:59 PM (#5715662)
The rotation right now is; Sale-Price-Porcello-Pomeranz-Johnson. In theory at some point Steven Wright is supposed to return but he hasn't exactly been a model of a durability, EdRod is potentially coming back but that's no certainty and Pomeranz, who I thought pitched alright last night, is a big question mark. As jacksone points out Eovaldi could move to the bullpen or he could be a starter that allows Pomeranz to do the same.

Also, the division is far from a sure thing and Eovaldi likely improves the Sox' odds of winning the division. If all he does is provide what Peavy did in 2013 that's a boost.
   51. John DiFool2 Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5715820)
I loved the Can. And I always wish he'd gotten the call in Game 7 rather than short-rested Hurst.


He stayed in the bullpen all night--when Al F. Nipper came in in the 8th (and promptly allowed the game to get out of reach), I was utterly dumbfounded that Oil Can never got in the game.

[trade]

High K:BB, but also high HR/9, in a 53 inning sample fwiw. Maybe Pom will make a better reliever anyway.
   52. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 25, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5715898)
No love for the Clutch God who saved the Sox from a humiliating 4-1 loss in the '86 LCS, and then delivered a 10th inning homer that would've won the Series for them if the bullpen and Buckner hadn't conspired to blow it?

Those two moments with Hendu were amazing but they were also pretty much the sum total of Hendu's contribution to the club. He didn't really play all that well and he was with the club less than a year.


I understand all that from a statistically objective POV, but I still think if that the Sox had had a Kimbrel instead of Schiraldi to close out the 10th, there'd be a statue of Henderson somewhere in the Boston Commons. And rightfully so.
   53. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 25, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5715907)
It's not quite a perfect comp (Hendu's heroics were more dramatic) but if you are looking for a similar comp from recent years it's probably the generally forgotten Todd Walker who raked in the 2003 post-season and potentially would've been ALCS MVP if not for the unpleasantness of game seven.

I'd forgotten about Walker, but when I went through the play-by-play of that ALCS I didn't find any particularly dramatic game changing moments.** In fact in game 6 and 7 he ended several key innings by making the last out.

** One slight exception was his home run in game 4 that broke a scoreless tie, but it was only in the 4th inning. And most of the rest of his hits were just pile-ons, none of them remotely as dramatic as Hendersons'.
   54. esturminator_CT Posted: July 26, 2018 at 08:33 AM (#5716170)
Don’t underestimate the Eovaldi acquisition. This is a right handed starter with good movement on hard stuff who can get right handed hitters out. He has pitched in big spots under the big city spotlight before. He could really come in handy getting thru a few times through that Yankee batting order. Coming back from Tommy John surgery, he has had one or two tough starts that inflated his ERA, but in 10 starts he has 3 that he got to or thru the 7th inning allowing no runs on 1 hit. His K/BB is very good, his swing and miss % against righties is quite good. His last 4 or 5 starts we’re very solid. I think this is potentially one of the very best starters available this trade deadline. He could translate to the pen with his stuff, but I expect they will start him and perhaps that allows them to push one of the lefties (Pomeranz or perhaps Price?) to the pen where they really need a lefty. Price did well in the bullpen role last year, but perhaps he is needed too much in the rotation with EdRod out. Pomeranz has struggled getting any momentum going as a starter this season - perhaps he can shine in the shorter relief role. In any event, I have to commend Dombrowski on the addition and the trade. I’m not convinced Jalen Beeks’ value will ever be higher to the major league team. This makes them better and could be instrumental in getting deeper into October.
   55. esturminator_CT Posted: July 26, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5716177)
Last night’s rain out was very unfortunate. They were teeing off on Bundy and had the 5-0 lead in just the 2nd inning with a chance to extend their lead over the Yanks back to 6 full games. Benny, JDM & Mookie all lose a homer and they’ll play it from scratch. There were a couple other long fly outs hit by Mookie and Pearce. The hitters appeared poised for a very productive evening. And Price had been blessed with the 5 run lead. This looked to be potentially a very enjoyable evening for the club, capping another series win at Camden Yards. Oh well. At least no one slipped on the wet grass and got injured.
   56. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 26, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5716333)
Cora was pretty pissed off about the game being played and generally the way the whole series was handled. Which game was it? Monday where they got two outs in the first inning then had a delay? That's insane. I can't imagine what they were looking at that made them think starting the game made any sense. Hopefully the Sox win the make up (August 11 day game).
   57. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5716401)
Don’t underestimate the Eovaldi acquisition. This is a right handed starter with good movement on hard stuff who can get right handed hitters out. He has pitched in big spots under the big city spotlight before.

Eovaldi's a good enough pickup, but his career ERA+ is 94, his average 2018 Game Score is 55, and this year he's yet to pitch all that well against any team the Sox are likely to meet in the postseason.** I'd say his main value would lie in long relief or as an emergency backup starter.

** Oakland was the one exception, but that was in March, long before the A's stepped it up.
   58. toratoratora Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5716466)
I'm glad to see the love for the Can here. For a while there I had so much fun watching that guy pitch. Skinny as a rail, had a ridiculous number of pitches he could throw from an assortment of arm slots, that crazy windup. When he was on and had his best stuff, they guy could just toy with hitters. Watching him felt like watching a pitcher from the old negro league days.

And I gotta say, I love that I could just say Can and you all knew exactly who I was stalking about. That gives me the warm Red Sox fuzzies there.
   59. villageidiom Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5716481)
Eovaldi's a good enough pickup, but his career ERA+ is 94, his average 2018 Game Score is 55, and this year he's yet to pitch all that well against any team the Sox are likely to meet in the postseason.** I'd say his main value would lie in long relief or as an emergency backup starter.
This is exactly why I ask if the trade was necessary. I know what Eovaldi brings. I'm not sold on the idea that bringing it was necessary.
   60. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5716520)
"Necessary" is a risky word. I can see a world where Eovaldi is our fourth starter in the ALCS due to some combination of injury and ineffectiveness and of course if one of the top three guys goes down he becomes a lot more valuable.

The question to ask is if trading Beeks makes adding a 2nd baseman or a reliever less likely. That's an open question. If they are unable to fill those needs because of the absence of Beeks then this was probably a mistake. I'm skeptical that will be the case. Rob Bradford has a piece at WEEI.com touching on this, here are the guys Dombrowski has dealt for rentals the last three years;

Aaron Wilkerson, Luis Alejandro Basabe, Jose Almonte, Shaun Anderson, Gregory Santos, Stephen Nogosek, Gerson Bautista, Jamie Callahan, Santiago Espinal, (Wendell Rijo)

Those guys brought back;

Brad Ziegler, Addison Reed, Eduardo Nunez, Aaron Hill, Steven Pearce

That's not a ton of talent going away. I assume he will be able to add someone like the relievers/middle infielders he has brought in the last couple of years.
   61. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 30, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5717883)
I don't know about necessary but he pitched well yesterday which was encouraging.

This was a weird weekend. I feel like the Sox weren't very good all weekend but they took 3 out of 4 despite that. It just seemed like all the bugaboos they have raised their heads; the bullpen, the infield question marks, but 3 out of 4 is 3 out of 4. It's possible that this is a very good team.
   62. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 30, 2018 at 10:13 PM (#5718264)
I am enjoying the Beltre-to-Boston rumors very much. Again, doesn't seem necessary, but I like me some Beltre.

Would Beltre waive his no-trade status to go back to Boston? Isn't he still irritated that the touch-him-on-the-head teasing started when he was with the Red Sox?

EDIT: The post I quoted seems to have disappeared, although it was there a few minutes ago. Hmmm.
   63. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 30, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5718270)
That’s weird, I saw the post you responded to also.
   64. SoSH U at work Posted: July 30, 2018 at 10:53 PM (#5718278)
VI working his magic again, I guess.

I would love to see Beltre back in Boston. And I'm unaware of any ill will toward the Sox, whether from his dome escapades, his Ellsbury collision or any other reason.
   65. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5718289)
Who loves Blake Swihart?

WHO LOVES BLAKE SWIHART??

I LOVE BLAKE SWIHART!!!
   66. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM (#5718291)
Also props to Guerin Austin for showing some nimble footwork.
   67. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:22 PM (#5718293)
   68. Chip Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:25 PM (#5718296)
I would love to see Beltre back in Boston. And I'm unaware of any ill will toward the Sox, whether from his dome escapades, his Ellsbury collision or any other reason.


MLB Network was reporting earlier today that Beltre would likely only waive his 10 & 5 rights for three teams: Cleveland, Houston, .... and Boston. So the whole “he won’t play for them because of the head rub thing” is so much absurdity.

That said, doesn’t sound like the teams have made much headway on deal possibilities, so it looks unlikely as of late this evening.
   69. SoSH U at work Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5718301)
Congratulations Jose. It's nice to see your years of tireless work have finally paid off.
   70. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:38 PM (#5718304)
Ian Kinsler is a Red Sox.
   71. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:39 PM (#5718305)
Heyman saying Williams Jerez and Ty Buttrey are goin to the Angels.
   72. Chip Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:48 PM (#5718307)
Buttrey’s on the DL with knee inflammation since July 25th. Do we assume he still got a medical green light?
   73. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5718311)
MLB Network was reporting earlier today that Beltre would likely only waive his 10 & 5 rights for three teams: Cleveland, Houston, .... and Boston. So the whole “he won’t play for them because of the head rub thing” is so much absurdity.

More like tongue-in-cheek amusement. Beltre should demand a No Touching The Head Clause for waiving his no-trade status, with a $1,000 payment for each violation.
   74. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 31, 2018 at 12:00 AM (#5718316)
Chip - I would assume so. I believe MLB players can’t be traded when they are on the DL. I assume this is true about players in the minors too and the trade would officially be Jerez and a PTBNL. I May be wrong about all of that.
   75. Chip Posted: July 31, 2018 at 12:04 AM (#5718321)
Kinsler acquisition makes the unlikely Beltre even less likely.

He sucked early but has been good for a couple of months, so hopefully that continues. Since he bottomed out at a .511 OPS on May 28, he’s gone .866 over his last 218 PAs.
   76. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 31, 2018 at 07:44 AM (#5718343)
Who loses playing time with the Kinsler add - Nunez or Swihart? Now that he's hitting (1.167 OPS in 13 games in July for Swihart vs .772 in 18 for Nunez) I'd rather keep Blake in the semi-rotation.
   77. villageidiom Posted: July 31, 2018 at 07:53 AM (#5718346)
VI working his magic again, I guess.
I didn't delete it, so that's really bizarre.

Let's see if I can still post. Maybe I don't exist.
   78. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 31, 2018 at 08:21 AM (#5718349)
I think at the moment it's probably Nunez but it probably is going to be a rotation among Holt, Nunez and Kinsler between 2nd and 3rd at least until Devers comes back.
   79. Darren Posted: July 31, 2018 at 05:34 PM (#5718698)
What an embarrassment of riches. I think I'm getting why people are down on the feast or famine nature of the league right now.

For the Sox, something has got to give on the 3B front. Is it possible that Devers is in worse shape than we thought?
   80. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 31, 2018 at 06:57 PM (#5718724)
Sale to the DL. Hopefully just precautionary and/or hidden rest so he doesn't burn out before the playoffs.
   81. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 31, 2018 at 07:00 PM (#5718726)
Also, despite that Orioles rainout the Red Sox have somehow still played 4 more games than the Yankees.

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