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   1. villageidiom Posted: April 28, 2016 at 09:22 AM (#5207199)
I think the CFBPS says we haven't yet seen him at his best.

Here's an article by Bradford on how Boston scouted him. In a nutshell, Tim Wakefield talked with scouts about what raw knuckleball talent looks like, and what part of throwing a knuckleball is coachable. This scout saw the raw talent in Steven Wright; they acquired him; they coached him; and he's been solid.

And whenever we salute Wakefield, it's not complete without highlighting two other things.

1. Dan Duquette took a chance on him.

2. ...after that "guy who posted a 5.84 ERA in AAA Buffalo the previous season" had, a couple years earlier, joined a Pirates team that was tied for the division lead around the trade deadline, went 8-1 (2.15 ERA) down the stretch to help them win the division by 9 games over Duquette's Expos, then had two complete-game victories against the Braves in the NLCS.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 28, 2016 at 09:53 AM (#5207216)
Not sure you saw the game the other night but in the pregame show Wake talked about how grateful he was to Duquette for giving him a shot. Duke certainly got that one right.
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:05 AM (#5207232)
It's really improbable that Wake ended up spending 17 years with the team.

Are there any other starting pitchers who spent 17 straight years with a team starting in the 90's or later? Rivera is the only other pitcher of any kind that I can think of, but I may be forgetting some obvious ones.
   4. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:12 AM (#5207238)
Are there any other starting pitchers who spent 17 straight years with a team starting in the 90's or later?


I don't believe so. Glavine and Smoltz each did it, but they debuted in the 80s. Felix, Verlander and Cain are five years away (and the last one doesn't look likely to reach 17, at all).

It's more rare for pitchers to spend an entire career with one team than position players. And pitchers who spend 17 seasons with their second teams are probably the rarest of all.

Here's to Timmy, my favorite Sox player ever. I'm delighted we've got ourselves a next generation model.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:13 AM (#5207240)
And am I weird because I probably think about game 5 in some way at least once every month?
   6. Batman Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:15 AM (#5207243)
Glavine actually came up short. He pitched for the Braves for 16 straight years and then one year at the end. If you count Smoltz's missed year against him, he came up short too. Trevor Hoffman pitched for his second team (and third organization) for 16 straight years.
   7. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:21 AM (#5207251)
Glavine actually came up short. He pitched for the Braves for 16 straight years and then one year at the end. If you count Smoltz's missed year against him, he came up short too.


Good catch on Glavine, but I wouldn't count Smoltz's missed year against him (particularly given Nate's phrasing).

And am I weird because I probably think about game 5 in some way at least once every month?


Sure, that wasn't a "big game."
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:28 AM (#5207258)
And pitchers who spend 17 seasons with their second teams are probably the rarest of all.
Smoltz (or Christy Mathewson) probably don't count for this.

In addition to Hoffman, Steve Carlton came close. I thought I had found one with Phil Neikro, but "MLN" and "ATL" were the same team.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:29 AM (#5207259)
And am I weird because I probably think about game 5 in some way at least once every month?


Why so rarely?

Oh SoSH, good work. I had forgotten about that little kerfuffle.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:37 AM (#5207266)
And pitchers who spend 17 seasons with their second teams are probably the rarest of all.


That's a good catch. I just scanned quickly the list of longest careers and no one I checked did it.
   11. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:40 AM (#5207269)
Smoltz (or Christy Mathewson) probably don't count for this.


I never do. I don't count organizational time, only big league service. Roberto Clemente only played for the Pirates, for instance.
   12. Dale Sams Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:50 AM (#5207289)
and am I weird because I probably think about game 5 in some way at least once every month?


I thought (for some weird reason) that was going to be .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) which was actually game four...in which case...you know, nevermind. IM the weird one.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:58 AM (#5207312)
I thought (for some weird reason) that was going to be this game five which was actually game four...in which case...you know, nevermind. IM the weird one.
The last time I thought about that game was probably right before the first pitch of the next game in that series. I have no recollection of the Sox hitting back-to-back-to-back homers, but apparently they did. What a monster series Youk had.
   14. bbmck Posted: April 28, 2016 at 11:38 AM (#5207383)
Most seasons starting 10+ games each team and all 17+ (Wakefield has at least 15 GS each BOS season):

BAL - 16 Palmer
BOS - 17 Wakefield
CHW - 19 Lyons, 17 Faber
CLE - 18 Harder
DET - 13 Lolich, Newhouser, Bridges, Dauss

HOU - 11 Dierker
KCR - 13 Splittorff
LAA - 12 Finley
MIN - 21 WJohnson
NYY - 15 Pettitte

OAK - 14 Plank
SEA - 11 Felix and Moyer
TBR - 7 Shields
TEX - 11 Witt
TOR - 13 Stieb

ARI - 8 Unit
ATL - 19 Spahn, 17 PNiekro
CHC - 13 Root
CIN - 13 Rixey
COL - 9 ACook

LAD - 16 DSutton
MIA - 7 Nolasco
MIL - 8 Sheets, Haas, Caldwell, Slaton
NYM - 12 Seaver
PHI - 15 Carlton

PIT - 16 VLaw
SDP - 9 EShow
SFG - 16 Hubbell
STL - 16 BGibson
WSN - 12 SRogers

Phil Niekro is the 2nd most recent and Mel Harder is the only other non-HoF to do it.
   15. Darren Posted: April 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM (#5208123)
I remember it being that several teams were interested in Wake. Duq got him, to his credit, but I feel like the story has evolved into something that it wasn't.

Very encouraged by Wright, one of the many bright spots this year.
   16. villageidiom Posted: April 29, 2016 at 09:20 AM (#5208221)
THT: The Doug Mirabelli Trade - An Oral History
Epstein: I was going to call the players involved. I went into my phone, J-o-s-h. J-o-s-h B. I was going to call Josh Bard and tell him he was traded — which is never a fun call to make. So I called him, I clearly woke Josh up. I said, “Hey man, it’s Theo. This is a tough call to make, but we made a trade and I have to let you know that you’re in it.” And he goes, “Really?!” I said, “Yeah, we felt like we needed to get somebody in here who has experience catching Wakefield.” He goes, “Theo, Theo, Theo. This is Josh Beckett. You sure you traded me?” I called the wrong Josh B. in my phone.

Mirabelli — well, his driver, Sgt. Dave O’Leary — took Storrow Drive during part of their six-mile journey from Logan Airport to Fenway Park. At 7 p.m. on a gameday, Storrow is, um, packed. A parting of the seas of sorts ensued.

Mirabelli: I’ve used that term many times. People were pulled over on the side of the road. They saw the police car. It was bumper to bumper, and they were pulling over letting us through. It’s a Red Sox-Yankees game, [many drivers were listening] on the radio. They knew I was coming in. Somebody who worked for the private jet company called into one of the talk shows and told everybody I was coming in that day.

McCormick: [O’Leary] kept me abreast of where he was. The tunnel, Storrow Drive, Boylston Street.

Mirabelli: We were pushing it. Unfortunately I think the state troopers took some heat over taxpayer-money stuff. I felt bad about that.

Massachusetts State Police (via a statement): We wouldn’t do something like that again, certainly not with lights and siren. As a public safety agency, that was not an appropriate use of our assets.

Towers: Maybe I should’ve asked for more than just Bard and Meredith.

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