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   1. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 15, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5606763)
I think the Pirates do Cutch for Benintendi in a heartbeat. I mean, they just traded Gerrit Cole for Joe Musgrove, right? I also feel certain they'd do Harrison for Groome+.
   2. dave h Posted: January 15, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5606770)
Isn't Benintendi one of the most valuable contracts in baseball right now? I know he was overshadowed last year but his season didn't dispel his high prospect status. He was average+ in his age 22 season. I don't think I use him as a centerpiece for any of the post-peak players, at least.
   3. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 15, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5606777)
Totally agree.

If it were possible in real life, I'd trade a Benintendi-centered package for Votto. But not for much else.

I think LF would be much easier to sort out in this offseason than 1B (assuming you don't want to repeat the Lackey/Crawford/Hanley/Sandoval type mistake with JD Martinez, as I do not).

This thread on Ellsbury is a lot of fun right now - and I think Ellsbury would be a great fit coming back to Boston for 450-500 PAs in LF this season, though I also doubt if, in the real world, the MFY's would be willing to eat salary to trade him to the Sox.
   4. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: January 15, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5606780)
The “problem” for the Sox is they’ve been so good at developing and promoting talent that the system is a but bare. The positive is that they are a damned good team with two consecutive division titles to their credit so while it’s tough to make those trades that’s largely because they don’t have much in the way of holes. One thing I wanted to do was just give some thoughts to what kind of deals they could make.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 15, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5606787)
Seems like McCutchen is a Giant, so scratch #5.
   6. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 15, 2018 at 05:25 PM (#5606884)
For Bryan Reynolds and Kyle Crick, apparently. So, yeah, Benintendi would have been too much. And Groome may be too much for Harrison - he's probably more valuable than either of the guys they got from San Francisco. And now that I know that, I'm a lot more interested in Harrison than I was before. Between him and Holt, you got pretty much every position covered from both sides of the plate.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: January 15, 2018 at 05:47 PM (#5606904)
Maybe the McCutchen trade will start the dominos going for free agent outfielders...
   8. karlmagnus Posted: January 15, 2018 at 06:34 PM (#5606919)
I think I'd take Abreu before JD Martinez. He's a 140 OPS+ hitter against 130, is only 7 months older, and is at least a 4 WAR player consistently. He's only cheap for one more year, but if Chicago would release him for Groome plus filler, I'd take it -- solves the 1B/DH problem, probably for several years if we can do a deal with him.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 15, 2018 at 07:11 PM (#5606933)
I think I'd take Abreu before JD Martinez. He's a 140 OPS+ hitter against 130,

I'm pretty sure 2011-13 don't tell us much about Martinez's current hitting. If you look at the last 4 years for each, you get Martinez 149 OPS+, Abreu 142.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5607150)
Not entirely relevant but FanGraphs has a short look at the farm system. Nice to see De La Guerra get some love. He reminds me a bit of Carlos Asuaje who I loved.
   11. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 16, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5607215)
I think I'd take Abreu before JD Martinez. He's a 140 OPS+ hitter against 130, is only 7 months older, and is at least a 4 WAR player consistently. He's only cheap for one more year, but if Chicago would release him for Groome plus filler, I'd take it -- solves the 1B/DH problem, probably for several years if we can do a deal with him.


I agree somewhat with your thinking here - but what makes you think Abreu is going to forgo his one chance at FA? He'll be eligible for the first time after 2020 at the age of 32 - maybe the Sox could extend his contract, but I can't imagine Abreu would agree to anything less than market rate.
   12. karlmagnus Posted: January 16, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5607552)
Sorry, I misread his contract status -- his contract expires at the end of 2018, but he's then arb-eligible. But isn't FA after 2019 -- he will have had 6 seasons then? In any case, an expensive FA at 31 or 32 is lower risk than one at 29 or 30, because the market-clearing contract is shorter. It's these 26-year-olds like Stanton and Harper than will bankrupt a team if they guess wrong. So Abreu is definitely a better deal, because if he's lousy in 2018/19, you ditch him, and if he's good, 5 years will certainly get a free agency deal done before or after 2020, even if it's 5/180.
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5607973)
Harrison is now asking out of Pitt. Still think he'd be a great fit for the Sox, no clue what it would take to get him though.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5607996)
Harrison is now asking out of Pitt. Still think he'd be a great fit for the Sox, no clue what it would take to get him though.

Given the Cole and McCutchen trades, shouldn't be much. He'd also fit great on the Yankees or Mets.

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