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1. UnclePab Posted: June 05, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3845673)A catcher who can throw out runners?!?
Like MCoA, I'd also love to hear from people who actually know stuff.
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In addition to the Sox spending big, some of the other recent big spenders have been teams like the Rays, Royals, and Pirates. Slotting would ultimately deplete the amount of talent going into baseball, as it would make high upside athletes go to college where scholarship allocation favors them moving into other sports. It's the sort of penny-wise myopia you'd expect from a used car salesman.
Taking the other-sport scholarships just because they couldn't get an extra million dollars today from MLB is the sort of penny-wise myopia you'd expect from a used car salesman. And that's the career they'll have in the end.
It's when baseball commissioners are bad at it that's a problem.
EDIT: Also, the difference between college baseball and college football is not just one of scholarship application. College football stars are celebrities who play on tv every Saturday, and football stars get paid under the table through boosters and the athletic department and whatever else. College baseball stars are anonymous, and no one's paying them squat. MLB clubs need to buy players away from other sport scholarships because it's better to be a scholarship athlete in a major sport other than baseball. These are eighteen-year-olds - being a big star on campus is a big deal, and an under-the-table free watch and tattoo offer is a big deal, and you probably get laid more, too.
As an example, what would happen with a talent like Bo Jackson if he didn't have the wear and tear of football to account for?
He's also got them going for LHP Chris Reed of Stanford with the supplemental pick (for VMart I guess).
I'm passing along info here, I have zero knowledge about any of these guys.
I'm sure HS players would love to just jump straight to the big leagues. If MLB is to do "whatever it can" to get them to commit, shouldn't they eliminate the minor leagues?
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Edit: Originally wrote Swihart instead of Barnes.
What control issues? His walk rate of 2.7 and 2.4 the past two seasons are fine. His command apparently needs some work, as is the case with many young pitchers but statistically, there's nothing that says he can't throw strikes.
Bard also didn't have major control issues in college. Those only developed during his disastrous first pro season but I remember reading that that could have been due to mechanical changes the Red Sox had him make. He went back to his old mechanics the next season and has been fine since. The big issue with him coming out of college was his lack of secondary pitches. His slider, now great, was a flat pancake. He infamously (well, to some maybe) threw about 95 percent fastballs in his College World Series start because every slider he threw in the first two innings was flat and got crushed.
I'm happy with Barnes, enthused even. I love his fluid mechanics. He gets great extension and releases the ball with great timing between his upper and lower half. I'm simplifying a bit but it seems like the Red Sox under Theo have had very good success with pitchers who had fluid mechanics and very good now stuff like Buchholz and Bard and less success with guys with funky deliveries and/or needed projecting. Henry Owens sort of fits into the latter group.
I hope Jackie Bradley Jr rebounds. Reminds me of Jacque Jones a little.
I don't think the Sox particularly need an arm for the bullpen right now - they might, if Jenks can't cut it, but he's looked pretty good since coming off the DL.
So, can I call it this early? He'll have a blown-out elbow or shoulder in 2 years?
OR, did I get it wrong? I couldn't start and stop the video very well, so I'm not sure if his pitching arm side elbow actually gets above the shoulder. Looks like it's close.
Edit: Now they're saying that it's mostly precautionary and surgery isn't expected, but still possible.
It doesn't look like it's quite above his shoulder to me, but it's hard to tell. Of course, even if he's not inverted w'ing, it's still likely he gets hurt at some point, since he is a baseball pitcher.
Hard to tell from one still, but that doesn't look too bad to me. There's a certain amount of "inversion" that occurs during scap load, even in CBW-approved deliveries.
I'd be more concerned that his arm position looks a little tardy compared to where I'm extrapolating his landing foot is. Again, it's difficult to tell from one still (and his feet are out of the frame!), but at first blush I'd say his arm ought to be closer to the cocked position given that he appears to be quite close to footstrike on the front side.
EDIT: Having watched the MLB scouting video in the OP, I don't think the inverted W is an issue. Timing is hard to assess from full speed video, but the overall delivery seems very smooth. I would like to see him finish his pitches a bit more aggressively, but he may not really be getting after it in the video as it appears he's throwing warm-up pitches for the most part.
I was talking with a couple friends about Pedroia, and how it seems like he's just not "right." He's a player who needs everything to be timed almost perfectly for his swing to work. He swings so hard to generate his power, that if it's not all working, he'll hit...well like he has this year. Striking out more with less power. He's still a valuable player because of his defense and OBP, but maybe he needs a bit of rest given his foot injury and how it could be affecting the rest of his body. Given that he referenced Grant Hill with respect to his foot injury, I'd be very cautious with him. Those injuries can transfer to all different places on the body.
Check out this video from a bullpen session. It's pretty obvious that his elbow never goes above his shoulder.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=2&ved=0CDoQtwIwAQ&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI6iBPmgMVE&ei=dMjxTafFA4mgtweikpWXCA&usg=AFQjCNGY9wreJ4XRJRyn1tCZsFzy0avweg
I like Barnes more than Ranaudo. His stuff is just as big and he doesn't have an injury history like Ranaudo and his delivery is smoother. I don't like how Ranaudo brings the ball up with his palm underneath the ball. I feel like that's going to cause him more shoulder or elbow problems. He almost has a shot putter delivery.
I agree with your larger point that limiting draft bonuses isn't necessarily in the long term interest of baseball, but for every Bo Jackson, there are several guys who went through college on football or basketball scholarships and then became very good major leaguers (e.g. Frank Thomas, Kenny Lofton, Randy Johnson). I don't think there's really that much evidence that playing college football ruins players' baseball ability. I think the more serious issue is the guys who go pro in football, not the guys who get hurt.
Golson, the 107th best draftee according to BA, says he wants better than top-50 money. The Golsons of the past went to college - or chose to sign for less than demanded - and slotting had nothing to do with it.
I think we agree that players will have more incentive to go to college if they don't get the bonus they want. Perhaps where we disagree is that I think "the bonus they want" is heavily defined by "the bonus they think they can get", and that a change in the latter (via slotting or other forces) in many cases will change the former. I get the sense that you think the former is far more static than I do.
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